The future of sun bundles...

[Samuel]

I am not keen on sunnies myself anyways... But I don't want to make any rash decisions without first trying to grasp a bigger picture of what the community would like as a whole (not sure a small vocal number).

 

[kickey]

r.i.p sun bundles

i wasn't going too... but its warranted..

:sorrow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyggTKDcOE

 

[HarryH]

Voted for them to be removed. I suggest in place of each sun bundle that a boss would normally drop, it now drops a Holysunpot. Which heal 200 HP and cannot be spammed. Although that would obviously need a little analysis.

 

[blah1233]

I guess the change may limit higher geared players from trying to solo bosses however does not really address that issue if multiple sins go as well. Not being able to spam sun potions when damage is out of control is a problem.

 

[Koriban]

Not being able to spam sun potions when damage is out of control is a problem.

If you're going to remove sun bundles and cap the amount you can carry (good idea)

you need to remove the sun pot delay so that people in actual danger can spam their sunnies and survive. Granted, they'll only be able to do this a very limited amount of times before running out, but that's how it should be.

 

[rainstone]

Please fix Sabuk first, then we could talk about sun pot.

Do not know who comes up with this stupid idea and catch Sam's attention.

1. 1 sec delay is enough to control sun spam.


2. If you are talking about solo Gatekeeper.

Let GM check out how GK be killed by one sin or several sins. then make a strategy or discuss it. Colossus can also be soloed. should that be fixed too?

 

[HarryH]

It's not hellcave alone, sun bundles make all bosses far too easy and detracts from tactical and team gameplay.

 

[rainstone]

Tell me a strategy to kill demonking without sun or 10 sun pot? or maybe 20 sun pot? or wait, your bag is full.

I agree with the team gameplay part. but remove sunbundles is a bit extreme which i do not like. I like smooth updating.

It's not hellcave alone, sun bundles make all bosses far too easy and detracts from tactical and team gameplay.

 

[HarryH]

Tell me a strategy to kill demonking without sun or 10 sun pot? or maybe 20 sun pot? or wait, your bag is full.

I agree with the team gameplay part. but remove sunbundles is a bit extreme which i do not like. I like smooth updating.

If they reverted demonking to its old self, 2 weeks ago, it's definitely doable.

 

[Haytham]

if sun pots are removed then you have to buff taos heal/mass heal a lot may be even +200 hp with a cooldown that way more than 1 tao would be neeeded. for the love of god none of this new spell ****. increase the tick rate and amounts normal pots give u. there is to much burst damage around and the health pools are so small sun pots are a must for all melee classes pve or pvp

 

[Slipmatt]

The suns never bothered me anyway...

 

[Haytham]

The suns never bothered me anyway... 

let it go

 

[yujing5]

I have a idea that let Tao healing like Suns?


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[Muh]

Up the weight to 10 per sun pot. Removing em is a bit of a drastic change atm...

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+Remove string from craft NPC....

 

[Follower]

Remove and remove sun pot delay so we can actually pot to survive again.

 

[ziiid]

When you already have a game that has damage that is out scaling mitigation lowering mitigation even further is just nonsensical. Look at changing other things first.

Eg. -Mitigation through new skills that required tactics and thought to use.
-bosses that require different tactics other than "hits harder so you have to use more Suns"

There are a lot of options I am sure these are just a few, further changing Suns just exacerbates these issues and of course this change isn't without consequences to class balance....

Not too mention having a pile of loose sun pots everywhere is just plain annoying.

 

[d1craig]

I think this is the way to go.

If if you are not going to do anything about this auto sun pot hack I suggest you put the auto sunpot option back ingame. Then the only thing people can complain about is the auto TT/RT hack.

 

[HokusPokus]

Remove bundles....keep delay

 

[ILovePie:D]

When you already have a game that has damage that is out scaling mitigation lowering mitigation even further is just nonsensical. Look at changing other things first.

Eg. -Mitigation through new skills that required tactics and thought to use.
-bosses that require different tactics other than "hits harder so you have to use more Suns"

There are a lot of options I am sure these are just a few, further changing Suns just exacerbates these issues and of course this change isn't without consequences to class balance....

Not too mention having a pile of loose sun pots everywhere is just plain annoying.

As Ziid said, sort the problem with peoples attacks first. Allow it so you have a way of avoiding / lowering the damage from wizard attacks.

 

[CrazyBear...]

Remove sun bundles & remove the sun pot delay.

This was the whole point we were trying to make on the other thread. It will make AHK completely redundant.

Limit them. No, slowing them down isn't going to help (sun pot delay) because they're still going to "automatically" do it over someone who has to "manually" do it - and they're still going to win over you because they're probably carrying more sun bundles because of this.

If you make it so that every single person is limited to exactly 30 sun pots in their bag, then who gives a **** if it's done automatically or manually? You're both limited by the same resource. If anything, using them automatically hinders you now because you may not have actually NEEDED to auto sun pot. Meaning you're now down 1 potion and they're up 1 potion.

Limiting everyone to the same amount of sun pots would effectively kill off any "auto sun pot script" overnight - because it no longer does what you want it to do - give you an advantage over someone else.

If you remove sunpot bundles then you need to remove the one second delay because we've now resolved the root cause of the problem..
If there was no AHK, there would be no one second delay, if there is now no advantage of AHK due to the removal of bundles, there should be no one second delay

Not to mention it will also increase the need for team work and actually thinking about things tactically.

Like any public vote, people are going to vote to suit there own agendas, sometimes you need to go with your gut instinct. People will vote "No" because they can no longer do something they've been doing in the past. So what? It's always good to freshen things up as things are feeling very stale at the moment which is reflecting in the amount of users dropping off lately. Introduce this in the next patch with new content and people won't even batter and eye lid.