FAO Jamie (endgame pvp war vs sin)

[<SOSO>]

Hey, I'm sure ur aware that u've went overboard with the sin buff. Made them from crap to gods @ pvp, especially vs warrs.

Atm we don't stand a chance, I pvp'd fairy a lot, mind that he has weaker kit thn myself (war vs sin). I stand absolutely no chance, no matter in what way I approach the pvp, running/toe to toe/step , etc.

He hits me for 1300+ sometimes even 1600 ! When I have arround 2.3k HP and he can get the same HP as mine ! What's up with that? Since when should sins even come close to the HP of warriors (@ same lvl)? Even with pigs and elixirs they shouldn't come that close to warrs HP. They scale too much imho , in MP and HP, that combined with the hermits, pigs, sets (vigor/numa) is too much and thus doing crazy dmg and surviving/tanking dmg like pros.

Another issue is their lifesteal. For example I hit him for 700 dmg in 1 hit. He hits me back for 1200. He immediately regens for 360 (30%) + say a 110hp pill = 470 HP. So in that time he deals 1030 dmg ( 1200 - a 110hp pill which alongside adv potion mastery is 170) to me, and I deal 230 dmg (700 - 470) to him.

These are pure facts.
You can ask any higher lvl warrior like myself, Molten, Raw, Kylin, etc.


And another thing...puri pots shouldn't work in pvp imo, just in pve. It renders assault , bekon, the sin skill that paras u useless. Those skills have CD. Or rather put a higher CD on puri pots.
What's the point in having higher lvl than ur opponent when for example ur assault is useless?
I don't like the res pills either, but that's just me

PS:
Please use moderation when u balance a class, do not go from one edge to the other...try to find a middle ground.

 

[KillerMan]

Please use moderation when u balance a class, do not go from one edge to the other...try to find a middle ground.

This is main reason why I quit this server. I simply don’t trust them to make changes.

Saying that warriors are extremely op especially once you hit soft cap, both classes should be nerfed.

 

[NewUserName]

shane played warrior, they got buffed.

shane quit, he nows plays sin , they get buffed.

lol

 

[Piff1]

^ That's not the case tbh. Was same on Marble he help's Jamie he knows what classes are getting what updates why not take advantage lol... I very much Doubt it's being catered to him.

 

[DigitalDevil]

Sins are in a very good plan right now, but don’t forget that until just a few weeks ago the majority of the server that played them rerolled because they were absolute shite lol! They are still underplayed due to the damage that was done early game.

Warrior are in a good place right now Vs. Tao and Wiz... so to me that says things are “working as intended”

The game needs to work around a Rock > Scissors > Paper mechanic, in this case the warriors “anti class” is the Sin, without them Warriors would not die in PvP. The balance is right it’s just unfortunate that in the case the rock is trying to beat paper.

 

[Soulspring88]

Feels more like assassin > warrior > wizz/Tao where Tao and wizz can't do nothing Vs warriors silly MR/Regen + adv kits where's this balance lol...5 second beckon cd wizz just gets 1 shot in endgame and Tao loses celestial for 30 seconds and dies on 2nd beckon unless the warrior actually gets hit by pet explosion..but that's easy to evade with mobs ofc..

PvP here is very melee centric now..defiance needs a major nerf it shouldn't be giving huge minimum MR..and adv kits just shut Taos and Wiz down but have no effect on melee..

 

[Polomint]

Does your warrior have mr hermits? If so why should you equal/beat a pure damage hermits sin that will be weak to wizards?

 

[Exsodius]

Old news.....

Too little, too late.

 

[Fleshwerk]

Old news.....

Too little, too late.

Mate you gotta stop that lol.

Ok I'll give you a chance - name a better server/coder right now providing this level of service...

Others seem to be enjoying it alot more than the small vocal %.

Personally I know 3 guys who just joined the server in the last 2 days, and probably more will follow them.

The server is great fun for me, I've never pvped as much consistantly.

 

[Exsodius]

Mate you gotta stop that lol.

Ok I'll give you a chance - name a better server/coder right now providing this level of service...

Others seem to be enjoying it alot more than the small vocal %.

Personally I know 3 guys who just joined the server in the last 2 days, and probably more will follow them.

The server is great fun for me, I've never pvped as much consistantly.

The servers' peak was 2 months ago. The server is still healthy as 'fillers' are now rising through the ranks due to soft caps. The server is certainly not dead.

However, for the elite/big characters/big personalities it's now stale. From one perspective: Level 75, best gear in-game and a lot of the personalities I played with have now left, what's left for me to do? No new content/events to mix things up and the result of a soft cap: numbers win fights again.

Changes were needed 2 months ago during the server peak, hence:

"too little, too late"

On topic: Sins now dominate Warrs in pvp.

 

[TheDayIDie]

Feels more like assassin > warrior > wizz/Tao where Tao and wizz can't do nothing Vs warriors silly MR/Regen + adv kits where's this balance lol...5 second beckon cd wizz just gets 1 shot in endgame and Tao loses celestial for 30 seconds and dies on 2nd beckon unless the warrior actually gets hit by pet explosion..but that's easy to evade with mobs ofc..

PvP here is very melee centric now..defiance needs a major nerf it shouldn't be giving huge minimum MR..and adv kits just shut Taos and Wiz down but have no effect on melee..

Pls play tao better... it sounds like you make it easy for them. Use some heals and trans from time to time.

Agree that GTE and GES could do with sc scaling review though... they hit like wet flip flops without any element.

 

[Fleshwerk]

The servers' peak was 2 months ago. The server is still healthy as 'fillers' are now rising through the ranks due to soft caps. The server is certainly not dead.

However, for the elite/big characters/big personalities it's now stale. From one perspective: Level 75, best gear in-game and a lot of the personalities I played with have now left, what's left for me to do? No new content/events to mix things up and the result of a soft cap: numbers win fights again.

Changes were needed 2 months ago during the server peak, hence:

"too little, too late"

On topic: Sins now dominate Warrs in pvp.

The majority of SD are in the level 60-70 bracket - Other guilds their average may be lower.

They would feel more left behind if there was instant content for those who geeked/multi.

 

[Koriban]

Mate you gotta stop that lol.

Ok I'll give you a chance - name a better server/coder right now providing this level of service...

Others seem to be enjoying it alot more than the small vocal %.

Personally I know 3 guys who just joined the server in the last 2 days, and probably more will follow them.

The server is great fun for me, I've never pvped as much consistantly.

Couldn't agree more. That type of mentality does nobody any good. Nor does it encourage Jamie to help fix the "problem". Already spoke about this type of mentality in Mir players before so won't repeat myself, but it is unfortunately the loud minority, often the people "geeking" the server that do this. But it's understandable, they play the most and so are more likely to get bored quicker than most. This is a natural process of any game, be it WoW or PoE or LoL, people sometimes just need to take a step back, nothing wrong with that.

In terms of balance, I've been watching this section since its creation and have noticed every single class come under constant scrutiny for being OP at one point or another. Which, if i'm honest, sounds like balance to me. Classes rise and fall in terms of power rankings, for now assassins are shining, next thing you know it'll be wizards, and so on and so forth.

 

[Exsodius]

unfortunately the loud minority, often the people "geeking" the server that do this. But it's understandable, they play the most and so are more likely to get bored quicker than most.

This is true, however, some of those same players also know the history of the game and its mechanics inside out and fully understand the balance/details of classes, pvp and pve. Mir 3 players, not Mir 2.

Nor does it encourage Jamie to help fix the "problem".

Some of us tried to offer sensible and experienced advice during Alpha/Beta and we were ignored, Jamie preferring to do either his own thing or take the advice from inexperienced friends/acquaintances, whatever you want to call them.

Most involved in Alpha/Beta will have experienced the same frustration I did during those times and yet now he finally makes a few changes, hires a forum admin and we've become the 'Mir players with a poor mentality'? Where were you lot during testing?

Hence......

"too little, too late"

 

[Koriban]

This is true, however, some of those same players also know the history of the game and its mechanics inside out and fully understand the balance/details of classes, pvp and pve. Mir 3 players, not Mir 2.

Some of us tried to offer sensible and experienced advice during Alpha/Beta and we were ignored, Jamie preferring to do either his own thing or take the advice from inexperienced friends/acquaintances, whatever you want to call them.

Undoubtedly and I can respect that, but you also have to recognise that just because you play the game doesn't mean you know what's right for the game. I've fallen into that trap myself, far too many times. It's really easy to say "do this" and things will get better. It's a lot harder to think how a change will affect the server overall. I'm not singling you out btw, nor do I think you have a poor mentality - the very fact you've opened up a dialogue and continued a conversation beyond "too little, too late" is proof of that fact, please don't take offence. I'm just giving a differing opinion, I appreciate you replying.

 

[Reverance]

Feels more like assassin > warrior > wizz/Tao where Tao and wizz can't do nothing Vs warriors silly MR/Regen + adv kits where's this balance lol...5 second beckon cd wizz just gets 1 shot in endgame and Tao loses celestial for 30 seconds and dies on 2nd beckon unless the warrior actually gets hit by pet explosion..but that's easy to evade with mobs ofc..

PvP here is very melee centric now..defiance needs a major nerf it shouldn't be giving huge minimum MR..and adv kits just shut Taos and Wiz down but have no effect on melee..

You should check out some of the Wizards who are actually geared/have all skills.

They have 0 issues pvping Warriors (Can't Beckon equavalent).

Even in Full MR gear with 2 advantage at max (One on pig and one on kit) you still get massacred by the 3rd element,


As for taos - Stick by your pet and smash the war with SC/Crit gear, The best bet they will have is to interchange and you can't do that on any map worth pvping on.

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This is true, however, some of those same players also know the history of the game and its mechanics inside out and fully understand the balance/details of classes, pvp and pve. Mir 3 players, not Mir 2.



Some of us tried to offer sensible and experienced advice during Alpha/Beta and we were ignored, Jamie preferring to do either his own thing or take the advice from inexperienced friends/acquaintances, whatever you want to call them.

Most involved in Alpha/Beta will have experienced the same frustration I did during those times and yet now he finally makes a few changes, hires a forum admin and we've become the 'Mir players with a poor mentality'? Where were you lot during testing?

Hence......

"too little, too late"

Honestly I'd love to know who you mean by "inexperienced friends/acquaintances".

 

[Emzie]

Honestly I'd love to know who you mean by "inexperienced friends/acquaintances".

He couldn't possibly tell you that without revealing the inner circle, a secret select few confidante's who's names can never be mentioned...

 

[Exsodius]

It's really easy to say "do this" and things will get better. It's a lot harder to think how a change will affect the server overall.

That's my point, advise was given that was thought out, in terms of future whole server affects, not just "I want to be OP". That's not how good testing/suggesting works, ha.

The fact that Jamie added item refine without testing is a good example of how NOT to make changes. He didn't think of its obvious impact on future content/mid - rare items/pvp/pve etc.

Honestly I'd love to know who you mean by "inexperienced friends/acquaintances".

I know you helped during Alpa/beta too - that doesn't mean I'm eluding to you with my comment Plenty of people at that time gave all sorts of stupid suggestions. I think it was more frustrating that I was ignored during that time because he associated me with someone/an incident that I had no involvement with

He couldn't possibly tell you that without revealing the inner circle, a secret select few confidante's who's names can never be mentioned...

A rubbish running joke


/anyway I'm just ranting, conversation isn't going anywhere.

 

[Koriban]

It's just interesting to hear your opinion, considering there's still 300+ players playing the server. Can't be all that bad, after all. :distrust:

 

[ipwnu]

Playing / afking are a total different thing. Flick through rankings and most aren’t actually moving.