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To clear up the provisional license issue...

You can apply for your license when you are 15, however it will not become valid for the first category of vehicle (50cc scooter) until you are 16.
It then becomes valid for a 125cc motorbike (what i'm riding now :)) and a car when you are 17.
 

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Sean said:
To clear up the provisional license issue...

You can apply for your license when you are 15, however it will not become valid for the first category of vehicle (50cc scooter) until you are 16.
It then becomes valid for a 125cc motorbike (what i'm riding now :)) and a car when you are 17.


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and are available for an experiment sometime at the begning of May next year?

The reason im asking, is because I have a plan. A plan to screw over Britain's roads (Mainly England) and i need to form an army of cars to do so.

The thing im basing this theory on is something i like to call a "phantom traffic jam." A phantom traffic jam can quickly and easily be created by having a line of cars (one in each lane of a motorway) breaking fairly quickly simultaneously, and thus causing other cars behind to do the same. What actually happens is a bit like a Mexican wave effect, but imagine instead of people standing up, cars are stopping. As long as cars are being forced to slow down the effect can continue for ages, and in places with heavy traffic the effect can bring a single area of road to a standstill, as long as cars join the back of the "queue" faster or at an equal rate to the ones infront leaving.

What i would like to do, is use this tecnique to cripple the main junctions of major carriageways, and motorways, and see just how much of Britains infrastructure can be taken out by a handfull of cars. By handfull I obviously mean a lot, and I doubt this could ever go ahead, and even if it could, i doubt the legality of the actual thing anyway.

But it would be awesome if you could use 60 odd cars, and bring a portion of the country to an entire standstill for no reason.
I hate to be rude but I looked at your profile and discovered you're 'apparently' 21.... I'd think some people would get out of their car and thump you one if you did that, Atomicide. The legality of it is not existant, it would be considered illegal as you're breaking to excess without need. Which could cause someone to fly into the back of you or the person at the back of the 'LOMCN line'.

You're legally required to be 17 to take your driving test.
 

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Judges said:
I hate to be rude but I looked at your profile and discovered you're 'apparently' 21.... I'd think some people would get out of their car and thump you one if you did that, Atomicide. The legality of it is not existant, it would be considered illegal as you're breaking to excess without need. Which could cause someone to fly into the back of you or the person at the back of the 'LOMCN line'.

You're legally required to be 17 to take your driving test.

I looked at your profile, and discovered nothing, but apparetly your IQ is also 21.

To clear up the age issue i would like to ask a few question. Do people just disspear from the internet when they reach 18/19/20 or something, because if im supposed to have stopped using the internet at one of those ages, then nobody told me.

I also said i doubt the legality of doing what i did. However i have every right to brake in my car when and where i want, how in the name of god is anyone going to be able to prove I didnt brake for a valid reason (eg, i thought i was going to lose control of my car).

But all the "someone will get out of their car and thump you" scenarios are quite possible the most stupid scenarios ever dreamt up. Consider the actual situation proposed, ill actually lay it out step by step, with reasons why it can't happen.

1. Were on a motorway, leaving your car on a motorway for any reason except to make an emergency phonecall on the hard shoulder is illegal. Unless of course your car is on fire and your escaping etc.

2. Ill be travelling at 60-70MPH.

3. I Will break to 30 MPH gradually slowing the traffic behind me and have people in the other lanes doing the same thing to slow the traffic right down.

4. I will then speed up after a period of 5-10 seconds, regaining my 70MPH speed. The Traffic queue behind however will remain as there will be constant braking occuring because of the "domino" effect.


Now if you can see anywhere in that scenario where it is possible for someone to get out of their car, get to my car, and attack me in anyway please say so, because at the very least, that happening would require the person to do the following.

1. Leave their car while it is travelling at 30MPH
2. Run at a speed in excess of 30MPH and then increase that speed to above 70MPH to actually catch me
3. (If thay actually manage the above LOL) They would have to run alongside my car on the motorway, and open my door, which i would no doubt lock upon seeing them running after my car. Somehow they would have to undo the lock from the outside, while running at 70MPH+. They they would have to open the door and punch me while still running at 70MPH and stop me from closing the door.
4. Even then the liklihood is that i would just speed up to escape them.

If you really truly think someone is capable of that, then obviously your an absolute ****ing moron.
 

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Atomicide said:
I looked at your profile, and discovered nothing, but apparetly your IQ is also 21.

To clear up the age issue i would like to ask a few question. Do people just disspear from the internet when they reach 18/19/20 or something, because if im supposed to have stopped using the internet at one of those ages, then nobody told me.

I also said i doubt the legality of doing what i did. However i have every right to brake in my car when and where i want, how in the name of god is anyone going to be able to prove I didnt brake for a valid reason (eg, i thought i was going to lose control of my car).

But all the "someone will get out of their car and thump you" scenarios are quite possible the most stupid scenarios ever dreamt up. Consider the actual situation proposed, ill actually lay it out step by step, with reasons why it can't happen.

1. Were on a motorway, leaving your car on a motorway for any reason except to make an emergency phonecall on the hard shoulder is illegal. Unless of course your car is on fire and your escaping etc.

2. Ill be travelling at 60-70MPH.

3. I Will break to 30 MPH gradually slowing the traffic behind me and have people in the other lanes doing the same thing to slow the traffic right down.

4. I will then speed up after a period of 5-10 seconds, regaining my 70MPH speed. The Traffic queue behind however will remain as there will be constant braking occuring because of the "domino" effect.


Now if you can see anywhere in that scenario where it is possible for someone to get out of their car, get to my car, and attack me in anyway please say so, because at the very least, that happening would require the person to do the following.

1. Leave their car while it is travelling at 30MPH
2. Run at a speed in excess of 30MPH and then increase that speed to above 70MPH to actually catch me
3. (If thay actually manage the above LOL) They would have to run alongside my car on the motorway, and open my door, which i would no doubt lock upon seeing them running after my car. Somehow they would have to undo the lock from the outside, while running at 70MPH+. They they would have to open the door and punch me while still running at 70MPH and stop me from closing the door.
4. Even then the liklihood is that i would just speed up to escape them.

If you really truly think someone is capable of that, then obviously your an absolute ****ing moron.
Congratulations you made me fcuking laugh IRL MEIGHT.

Downright hilarious.

I'd like to see it all happen plx
 

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well im only 14 , 15 in a few days wish me happy b-day :) but anyways sadly i wont be able to do that thing on the moterway :( wish i could, mayby ride along with u atom :) lol anywas ill just try and hack the central motorway securety cams and whatch u :) any 1 got any decent programs :)
-gd luck on that btw

atomicide said:
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Tbh when i can afford it im getting myself one of these, the car was ****ing made for me, so much so that it even shares a portion of my name.

well it would be a beaguati veyron 4 me :) dunno if any 1 has ever seen 1 - top gear.

ill post a pic of 1 - but most car insurance companies never hered of it and the majorety of them think its a volvo. and if u say no hangup lol

pics: http://members.fortunecity.com/freecarwallpapers/images/bugatti_veyron_04.jpg

http://www.shoppingo.it/upload/2006/03/Auto, la Bugatti Veyron.jpg

http://www.a-h.ch/galerie/Bugatti 01.jpg

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1890873,00.html

sepcs: A W16! engine that can produce 1,001 horsepower
A top speed of 250+ mph (400+ kph)
A zero-to-60 time of three seconds
A zero-to-180 time of 14 seconds
A price tag somewhere in the $1.2 million range
 

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Atomicide said:
I looked at your profile, and discovered nothing, but apparetly your IQ is also 21.

To clear up the age issue i would like to ask a few question. Do people just disspear from the internet when they reach 18/19/20 or something, because if im supposed to have stopped using the internet at one of those ages, then nobody told me.

I also said i doubt the legality of doing what i did. However i have every right to brake in my car when and where i want, how in the name of god is anyone going to be able to prove I didnt brake for a valid reason (eg, i thought i was going to lose control of my car).

But all the "someone will get out of their car and thump you" scenarios are quite possible the most stupid scenarios ever dreamt up. Consider the actual situation proposed, ill actually lay it out step by step, with reasons why it can't happen.

If you really truly think someone is capable of that, then obviously your an absolute ****ing moron.
And your supposed to be 21 years of age...You're a little immature to be honest. No, people don't dissapear they just tend to act their age (or thereabouts). I suppose you could break because you think your going to loose control of your car but lets think about it logically, when you grinding to a hault and continue going at a slow speed for 5minutes or so...yep thats 'on the verge of loosing control'. You've to prove to the police office who stops you for dangerous driving you weren't just trying to piss people off like the 25 witnesses say that are behind you.

If it was in jest the I apologise but its really beyond me why you'd even contemplate it. Some people are capable of it and they're people that are hazardus to the road.

Atomicide said:
1. Leave their car while it is travelling at 30MPH
2. Run at a speed in excess of 30MPH and then increase that speed to above 70MPH to actually catch me
3. (If thay actually manage the above LOL) They would have to run alongside my car on the motorway, and open my door, which i would no doubt lock upon seeing them running after my car. Somehow they would have to undo the lock from the outside, while running at 70MPH+. They they would have to open the door and punch me while still running at 70MPH and stop me from closing the door.
4. Even then the liklihood is that i would just speed up to escape them.
That is quite funny and un-realistic but you didn't mention how fast you were going ;). If you're going at 5-10MPH then they could smash the window and thump you one then lol.
 
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And your supposed to be 21 years of age...You're a little immature to be honest. No, people don't dissapear they just tend to act their age (or thereabouts). I suppose you could break because you think your going to loose control of your car but lets think about it logically, when you grinding to a hault and continue going at a slow speed for 5minutes or so...yep thats 'on the verge of loosing control'. You've to prove to the police office who stops you for dangerous driving you weren't just trying to piss people off like the 25 witnesses say that are behind you.

If it was in jest the I apologise but its really beyond me why you'd even contemplate it. Some people are capable of it and they're people that are hazardus to the road.


That is quite funny and un-realistic but you didn't mention how fast you were going ;). If you're going at 5-10MPH then they could smash the window and thump you one then lol.


Original post deemed "no harm intended"

I dont think people get exactly what im trying to explain here. There is no need to slow down for an extended period of time to get this to happen. Ill try and put it in simple terms.

Imagine theres a long line of 1000 people walking somewhere, and they have to stay in that order. But person number 17 drops his wallet, and stops to pick it up.

The person behind him has to stop and wait for 10 seconds for him to pick it up. This cuases the next person in like to have to stop and wait for 10 seconds untill the person in from of him begins to move again.

That single person stopping, will now cause everyone in the line to stop for about 10 seconds when they reach that point.


like this:

1-------->--------------X1-------- Jam occurs here ---------X2--------->-----------------2

So in between the two X points, people are having to slow down, because everyone is moving slowly between these points.

Now, as long as people are getting from point 1 - X1 in a constant flow faster than people are getting from X2 - 2 then the point between both X marks will continue to get bigger.

If the traffic gets from 1-X1 at the same speed from X2-2 then the jam will remain the same size.

If people get from 1-X1 slower than they get from X2-2 then the jam will dcrease in size and dissapear. However as it shrinks it will move further back (to the left in this case) and kind of fizzle out.


The main point is it take almost nothing to cause this to happen, and it can really **** up the motorways. If a deer runs across the road and motorists all slow down for it, then this effect starts instantly from there. If theres very heavy traffic (think rush hour) then the traffic jam will start. The traffic jam will then continue through and past the rush hour as more and more people join this queue. After rush hour dies down, less people join the queue and eventually the traffic returns to normal

In some places theyve started to recognise this as problem, and what they do is drop the speed limit to a suggested speed to around 40MPH for a stretch of road. This ultimately slows down the traffic joining the back of the queue, and means it clears up quicker. It doesn cure the problem, but spreads it out over a longer stretch of road meaning traffic bcomes more fluent at least.

However targetting key areas like an area near a busy junctions where people are joining, leaving, changing lanes etc, will cause massive tailbacks that cant be prevented. If you hit several Key motorways (M4/5/6) and the A1(M) then I would guess you could cause about 1/10 of the countries main road transport to come to a standstill. T

Key areas to get would be:

the M6/M62 at Junction 21a *where these roads cross each other over - that effectively stops traffic to and from Birkenhead Port. Plus this area is notorious anyway

A1M at the aberford bypass, both on the A1 itself and the motorway below. This is a big traderoute for anything going south from the York/Yorkshire factories and productions area. Places like Newcastle, Middlesboro, and hull would get knockbacks from this.

take Junctions 24-27 of the M62 and it means they cant route traffic from liverpool via Bradford/Leeds, and take the Lofthouse Exchange where the M62 crosses the M1, and you have the entire motorway using population of the noth cut off from the south.

Also take out wynbury road near gateshead as a tiny target street to aim for ;)
 

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@ do you really drive a stang, would be so clechy, like in the movies drivin a stang and liveing in a loft apartment.

got a 1.2 clio 1995 (best shape) insurance is £1100 soon as they see the S2 they laff and push the price up. savin for a 1.4 A2 1/3 of the way there
Aye S12 bumps my price up, as its classed Lower Manor :(
 

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yeh. but what im saying is that the license i have for my ped can be changed straight into a car license

Look on the back, there is 2 dates, 1 is when Your entitlement to drive a ped is, the other is for car.

When you pass car test, you also get full entitlement on a ped, but passing ped test does NOT give you full car entitlement ;)

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I can drive, and would be up for this if i wasn't at the back or outside :P
lomcn meet, to kill the UK... fun.

can see the news now "A group of people from a popular online forum, today caused havoc on britains roads. Tony Bliar however is on holiday atm and thus is negligent and should be ridiculed."
 

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When getting insurance the most important thing about a car is the engine size and age of car / model. If ya get a 1.1 engine its gonna be hell of alot cheaper than getting a 2 litre or 1.8+.
 

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Dano said:
well im only 14 , 15 in a few days wish me happy b-day :) but anyways sadly i wont be able to do that thing on the moterway :( wish i could, mayby ride along with u atom :) lol anywas ill just try and hack the central motorway securety cams and whatch u :) any 1 got any decent programs :)
-gd luck on that btw



well it would be a beaguati veyron 4 me :) dunno if any 1 has ever seen 1 - top gear.

ill post a pic of 1 - but most car insurance companies never hered of it and the majorety of them think its a volvo. and if u say no hangup lol

pics: http://members.fortunecity.com/freecarwallpapers/images/bugatti_veyron_04.jpg

http://www.shoppingo.it/upload/2006/03/Auto, la Bugatti Veyron.jpg

http://www.a-h.ch/galerie/Bugatti 01.jpg

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1890873,00.html

sepcs: A W16! engine that can produce 1,001 horsepower
A top speed of 250+ mph (400+ kph)
A zero-to-60 time of three seconds
A zero-to-180 time of 14 seconds
A price tag somewhere in the $1.2 million range


the bugatti is (or was) the fastest road legal car in the world, and is made by VW right?

they sell the car for £1million a piece. each car costs £5million to build. they made this car just too prove a point.

and dano bud, i dont think you will ever get a car worth £1million. and even if you did, you wouldnt drive it as the test is a lil tough for somebody with the mental capacity of a 6 year old.

<3
 

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exactly.

with my prev ped license i can practice with seombody who has a full license and over 21 with 3 years of driving experience.