Super shaolin
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Im in two minds with monks.. In 60sc 30dc (pretty much the best I can wear lvl 40-45) im hitting 150 max and 220 max on people respectively, but obviously slowly due to 0 a.speed. The monk seems really hard to get to a good level, unless you have 5+ a.speed, 4 accuracy and 70+ combined stats your dps is going to be far too low.
but then when I extrapolate and realise that when monk star hits level 51 he's going to be 75SC 55DC a.speed 7 hitting. 250s and 350s as fast as a warrior with no flinch and a decent Hp pool you start realising Itll be OP as hell. the class only seems suitable for the very select few determined or large pocketed players who will reach 51 and use 50 storm gems getting a.speed 7 tao gear,
but then when I extrapolate and realise that when monk star hits level 51 he's going to be 75SC 55DC a.speed 7 hitting. 250s and 350s as fast as a warrior with no flinch and a decent Hp pool you start realising Itll be OP as hell. the class only seems suitable for the very select few determined or large pocketed players who will reach 51 and use 50 storm gems getting a.speed 7 tao gear,
It's an endgame class at the moment, but I'm sure they will make tweaks and changes over the next 6-12 months as they see fit.
I can see it being the melee version of wizards, ie crap at low level but at 50+ the balance completely swings and they become OP, but have much greater survivability than wizzies. I just hope that staff see this coming and do what they did with wizards and leave it this way for so long that people get used to it and then theres huge resistance when they try to make changes further down the line.
only their scaling wont make em do 250 hits rather 200 hits and then you still gotta luck a high level weapon not a Dsword meanwhile warriors will outdamage you greatly with a luck 7 added Dsword.
nor the fact that it's hardly possible without new items to be hitting 7 A.speed without offering alot of sc which reduces the SC you gave up as an example while warriors will have only more and more dc.
Even when you think about endgame there still wont a a place for monk except for kills wizards and being a irritating retard running around knockbacking people
There is literally no point where monks are going to be op. because warriors outscale them in every way.
If you say yeah but what if i gem perfectly?
well, what if warrior also gems some slow gems on his kit if you are going for 3 gems tier on the monk
DC,SC,A.speed
And DC,SC,ACC
Let's make warrior gem a third tier too.
You can't win to a warrior thus monk is just a gimped warrior with a huge mana cost aoe.
nor the fact that it's hardly possible without new items to be hitting 7 A.speed without offering alot of sc which reduces the SC you gave up as an example while warriors will have only more and more dc.
Even when you think about endgame there still wont a a place for monk except for kills wizards and being a irritating retard running around knockbacking people
There is literally no point where monks are going to be op. because warriors outscale them in every way.
If you say yeah but what if i gem perfectly?
well, what if warrior also gems some slow gems on his kit if you are going for 3 gems tier on the monk
DC,SC,A.speed
And DC,SC,ACC
Let's make warrior gem a third tier too.
You can't win to a warrior thus monk is just a gimped warrior with a huge mana cost aoe.
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I really wish they had picked better testers.
from what i saw they got given all the spells, random kit and told to run around n test stuff.
A test group should all be leveled the way people will level but at an accelerated rate to pick up on all level issues. not just hmm yeah at 48 they are great with all the spells, Implement them!
from what i saw they got given all the spells, random kit and told to run around n test stuff.
A test group should all be leveled the way people will level but at an accelerated rate to pick up on all level issues. not just hmm yeah at 48 they are great with all the spells, Implement them!
Agreed jon but also its the variety/depth of testing that always seems to be the problem. Did they test monks against other classes in pvp situations, both in 1v1s and in mass brawls/dungeons and at different levels? Probably not.
Jacko out of curiosity what level is your monk, what stats does it have and what's the value of the kit youve got on there atm?
Jacko out of curiosity what level is your monk, what stats does it have and what's the value of the kit youve got on there atm?
I stopped at 36 with DC kit got 75DC and 5 Aspeed
If i use same gear and comparable weapon fresh dsword on my warr and just tdb i kill stuff almost twice as fast
Also the fact that poles are massively understatted
Heavensword
DC 8-31 SC 3-10
43 monk pole
Dc 8-24 Sc 4-10
but wait, tao also gets
Acc + 1
Holy + 8
moment when a tao weapon has more dc then a monk pole whilst tao not even using it
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OH HAI GUYS SOMEONE MAKE THIS GUY MORE POWERFUL AT LEVEL 36!
Taos don't use DC to Melee stuff, for the Monk, you can add the DC and the SC into the factoring.
DC is on the items to make things harder to luck, so you have an easier chance to gain luck7. Around the same as a DragonSword... oh wait, it's a 43 weap, increase the DC guys and make it harder
Taos don't use DC to Melee stuff, for the Monk, you can add the DC and the SC into the factoring.
DC is on the items to make things harder to luck, so you have an easier chance to gain luck7. Around the same as a DragonSword... oh wait, it's a 43 weap, increase the DC guys and make it harder
Grats on March's retard award m8. You barely made it in time and you had such a huge competition.
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Thanks for your input, can you explain why wizards have higher DC on higher level weapons, when DC makes no difference to their class?
On wizards DC is a useless stat.
On taos its suplementary stat and definately far from useless at least when soloing.
On monks its one of their 2 main stats.
So saying monks having really low DC is actually a buff for them since they can luck their weapons its just....trolling or plain stupid. Did i really have to explain that?
On taos its suplementary stat and definately far from useless at least when soloing.
On monks its one of their 2 main stats.
So saying monks having really low DC is actually a buff for them since they can luck their weapons its just....trolling or plain stupid. Did i really have to explain that?
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The guy is moaning that a a DC stat on his 43 Monk weapon is below standard when compared to a Tao weapon of the same level. Having less DC means it is easier to luck up.
Taos can use DC, however none of the quick levellers use DC. They don't even use SC. They are a support class, so offer buffs to the real damage dealing classes to level effectively.
Why do you find so hard to understand that if a weap stats are below standard they are just....below standard and lucking it up easier or not is irrelevant?
Would that be your answer if it had the same dc as an ebony sword which would be the easiest weap to luck up? (dc4-6?) Why isnt chronicles full of luck7 ebony sword? Could it be because other than the luck classes actually they need their main stats as well to deal damage?
They need DC.
If a weap has less dc than it should have then it needs fixing.
Lucking up a weap is something extra and irrelevant. No sin would rage if suddenly his weap became dc0-100.
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The same reason the server isn't full of Luck7 fate weapons, because people say they are TOO easy to make, yet give up trying after hundreds of benes wasted.
You are really bad at arguments. From all the things someone mentioned you decided to reply to the most irrelevant sarcastic question he made.
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@ ILovePie
I agree that its nice to see the small dc gap, but as you say, its a lot harder to bene even fate blades than people think. So although there is a good chance 2-5% of the 43 monk weps will be luck 7, what about all the people that have not been lucky enough to get luck 7? Well they are left with a poorly stated 43 wep. I think that's the majour concern.
A 43 wep should be there to offer good stats, Fate items and lower items are there for the bene chance!
I agree that its nice to see the small dc gap, but as you say, its a lot harder to bene even fate blades than people think. So although there is a good chance 2-5% of the 43 monk weps will be luck 7, what about all the people that have not been lucky enough to get luck 7? Well they are left with a poorly stated 43 wep. I think that's the majour concern.
A 43 wep should be there to offer good stats, Fate items and lower items are there for the bene chance!
If Monks are going to be ASpeed/Acc based aswell - should they have items/weapons to offer that route?
Like Warriors with DSword etc
Just a thought.
Like Warriors with DSword etc
Just a thought.
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