Great Server, Not So Great PVP

[astrix]

agree. my 1st mir 3. and i highly preff mir 2. alot more skill in pvp and way way wayyyyyyyyyyyy more balanced youve got some spells that are out right just dumb how they got ingame 1st place mind blows me. all you ever get from players this is how mir 3 is ? what unbalanced as ****? good server pve wise. pvp utter shocking. mir 2 any day of the week. 1 shotting people has 0 skill. all you got to do on mir 3 is level grind grind grind and if you cant even kill a boss or sub after a period of time gets beyond boring. reason i played most mir 2s for a period of time was because pvp was fun. you could actualy have a pvp, on here you get 1 shot or recalled or 1 hit did i mention that? xD end. no in between my 2 pence.

 

[Mazza]

I suggest
that if a player who is more than 5 levels higher than opponent damage is reduced by 50%.
Those players who have levelled constantly and spend lots cash since start of server shows that being higher level especially on this server really matters.
Giving 10% boost to SW people gives more advantage to the already strong.

Suggestions
remove exp from SW poss improve the drop rate to compensate.
remove life pills completely
do not let temp and perm exp pots stack or mir packs stack.(after the current ones run out) Server 5 weeks old and people are 50+
make refining less successful and item refine cos these make player far too strong too soon.
stop changing things that aren't broken.
get a group of people who you know aren't class biased(guild leaders?) and care about the game call em The Mouthpiece or PlayerReps and have a private disc/** and tell them proposed changes BEFORE they are announced. They see what players say and report back to you in unemotional non ranty way. You don't have to listen to em or reply. Just have a look at the summary. No debate no arguments just this is what people think. Then you can decide what to do instead of doing things and setting off rages

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all the sins and warriors in my guild currently enjoying there class, not one moan.

try lvling higher than people it actually helps.

not to mention KingTony playing sin walks all over your guild.

The clever skilled lower level being able to kill higher level used to be the best thing about mir tho

Not everyone has the time to level to 50+ not everyone wants to pay to be a higher level than others. If being a higher level is the reason you win fights the server is wrong and no fun for anyone who cant play all those hours.

Try levelling? When some players kill anyone on same screen to stop them levelling? When one guild prevents other players being on the best levelling map?
Good tactics but server breaking. If you really enjoy fighting then you want yr opponent to be up to your weight. Is putting flyweights in the ring with heavyweights really a fight?

Suggestion
Time limit banyo island.
Increase pot usage on higher level skills so people have to repot

 

[Jicaa]

all the sins and warriors in my guild currently enjoying there class, not one moan.

try lvling higher than people it actually helps.

not to mention KingTony playing sin walks all over your guild.

I actually try to not dislike you, but everything you say makes that hard to achieve :/ for all I know you are not actually a Toxic person, but from the globals in game and posts on the forum I have genuinely seen from you it seems so far you are.

not to mention I killed KingTony with ease

 

[<SOSO>]

I have played warrior and assassin on other servers and never had a problem against Wizards. I would use shoulder dash to get up close to Wizards and shoulder dash to get away. With Sin I would sneak up in cloak.

Jamie, please don't accomodate the bad players who can't pvp...

It's not about pvp here. It's about MASS fights. All the screen was covered in tempest !

Jamie was observing the fight in banyo cave last night and knows how it went with the tempest spam. U couldnt dash "shoulder dash to get up close to Wizards and shoulder dash to get away" because u would've died before the cd times out to dash "away".

tbh all of u are under level noobs
u should see WW sins or warriors get me ****ed up in seconds ...
wizz die if tempest disappear
if u limit wizzes tempetst its like disabling the class lol ))
i should fireball u to death with full wind element ?lol )))

if u want to nerf wizzes just make it so they are not element based or some **** and make them have to use all spells to fight or some thing

its hard stuff man ))

I'm higher lvl thn u, but that's not the point. The point is that tempest as it is now, it ruins the mass fights. There is only 1 factor that matters. The more wizzies with tempest the more % chance to win fights. Which shouldn't be the case imo, and u know this but ofc u wouldnt be objective on this matter , cuz ur a wizz.


PS: All these retarded monkeys (all of them wizzards ingame) that are saying to a sin to lvl up more so he wouldnt be repulsed are braindead if they think any sin could match a wizzards lvling speed.
And FYI GeeDee has spent more time playing and lvling thn most if not all of the wizzards that are higher lvl thn him. Probs the only exceptions are pokerface and chinano1.

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agree. my 1st mir 3. and i highly preff mir 2. alot more skill in pvp and way way wayyyyyyyyyyyy more balanced youve got some spells that are out right just dumb how they got ingame 1st place mind blows me. all you ever get from players this is how mir 3 is ? what unbalanced as ****? good server pve wise. pvp utter shocking. mir 2 any day of the week. 1 shotting people has 0 skill. all you got to do on mir 3 is level grind grind grind and if you cant even kill a boss or sub after a period of time gets beyond boring. reason i played most mir 2s for a period of time was because pvp was fun. you could actualy have a pvp, on here you get 1 shot or recalled or 1 hit did i mention that? xD end. no in between my 2 pence.

Completely agree with u Luke.
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[Exwizz]

The clever skilled lower level being able to kill higher level used to be the best thing about mir tho

Not everyone has the time to level to 50+ not everyone wants to pay to be a higher level than others. If being a higher level is the reason you win fights the server is wrong and no fun for anyone who cant play all those hours.

Try levelling? When some players kill anyone on same screen to stop them levelling? When one guild prevents other players being on the best levelling map?
Good tactics but server breaking. If you really enjoy fighting then you want yr opponent to be up to your weight. Is putting flyweights in the ring with heavyweights really a fight?

Suggestion
Time limit banyo island.
Increase pot usage on higher level skills so people have to repot

banyo island is not as fast as other areas... i level alot faster solo...

just means when i'm at banyoo im helping more than just myself inc new members/lower levels, while i level semi afk giving them the group bonus they need for more exp.


also for the Mass pvp talk... you had alot more wiz to out tempest us try overlaying tempest?

i honestly said to jamie after the fight awaiting the lomcn post since discord is down and here we are.

 

[Piff1]

As an Assassin in group fights, i stand behind the tempest, can walk into it because instant death, cannot Dance because they i can't pot. Like Gee said on a Sin you will never even out level a Casual wizz. There is 0 an assassin can do in a group fight or even that matter vs a wizz 1v1, You simply can not get off that 2nd bloom to kill people, You can't even get away from a wizard as a sin as there Geo is faster than your dance it's just ****ing retarded at the moment, Assassin's are meant to be a ****ing deadly class in group fights that hide about wait for Dance and jump on them smash them and try get back to your side of the team fight this literally has 0 chance of happening it's instant death.

P.s It's ****ing silly a wizard crit for 600-700 that leave me with 250HP ( Basically any skill would 1 hit me )

I want Shane to make this sin and show us " How it's done " I think the got to comfy on GSP Assassin's and seem to think hes gonig to have the same luck here, Lul g/l getting 2 blooms off on anybody ingame that's not lagging to ****.

 

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There are ways of dealing with Wizards. I do agree with removing crits on players but limiting Wizard tempest or damage because you're under leveled or a guild ran a strat with Wizards, shouldn't be punished..

 

[ibby]

As an Assassin in group fights, i stand behind the tempest, can walk into it because instant death, cannot Dance because they i can't pot. Like Gee said on a Sin you will never even out level a Casual wizz. There is 0 an assassin can do in a group fight or even that matter vs a wizz 1v1, You simply can not get off that 2nd bloom to kill people, You can't even get away from a wizard as a sin as there Geo is faster than your dance it's just ****ing retarded at the moment, Assassin's are meant to be a ****ing deadly class in group fights that hide about wait for Dance and jump on them smash them and try get back to your side of the team fight this literally has 0 chance of happening it's instant death.

P.s It's ****ing silly a wizard crit for 600-700 that leave me with 250HP ( Basically any skill would 1 hit me )

I want Shane to make this sin and show us " How it's done " I think the got to comfy on GSP Assassin's and seem to think hes gonig to have the same luck here, Lul g/l getting 2 blooms off on anybody ingame that's not lagging to ****.

Mans that's why I didn't bother, when I heard about this bloom ****, **** that I knew sins be **** lol, they don't even feel like assassins from what I've observed lol (typical Mir 2 sin talking haha), PVE is enjoyable, games more focused around group fights from what I've seen

my summary is.... let's all make wizzys !!

 

[IckityWickity]

My only slight issue with wizzies and tempest is the constant displacement you get, it makes it hard to actually chase down someone.
I don't know the chance to displace when it hits, but perhaps reduce the chance of displacement on players?

This is a great suggestion honestly.

Btw to the complaining low level noobs: wizzies get the cd of 25 sec on pots when casting geo so it’s not like they can use it often. In fact it’s supremely risky to do so given the tiny hp pool wizzies have

 

[flintxx007]

The problem seems to be, most of the time, in pvp stacked element damage such as wind, ice, holy or fire. Why not make the element useless in pvp. So DC, SC, MC and max mana+DC (or what ever it is for sins nowadays) only count towards pvp damage.

 

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I got killed by another fellow Wizard the other day who put down tempest everywhere simply because I was/am underleveled and I was rusty with my pvp and pressed the wrong button to Geo away safely.

That is on ME. I think others who moan about Wizards, need to learn how to self evaluate their plays and 'git gud'.

 

[Piff1]

This is a great suggestion honestly.

Btw to the complaining low level noobs: wizzies get the cd of 25 sec on pots when casting geo so it’s not like they can use it often. In fact it’s supremely risky to do so given the tiny hp pool wizzies have

Shut up lol, The way fight's work on are 1 guild will have 1 side of screen tempest, the other guild with the other side tempested. IF a wizard gets beconed into the other side it's simple for them to just Geo back to their side and walk a few steps out of the range of other guilds ranged attack, bam wait out your pot timer whilst spamming Tempest, job done. Not like theres going to be another Warrior in that group to Becon you straight back after Geo'in as Wizard just level retarded fast.

 

[IckityWickity]

a wizard will have a very tough time fighting 2 sins in a team fight. Are the complainers simply not trying to do any focusing in these fights? Focus the high level wiz first has been a usable strategy in mir for a really long time. They are squishy. My guess is that the people complaining have done a 1v1 against a wiz 5-10 levels higher and get mopped. I saw a Warrior one shot a wiz through magic shield yesterday. Does that mean wars are op? No.

It’s mir.

I do see why the displacement is a pvp issue. It negates the reliability of mobility spells of other classes. I don’t think it would hurt anything to remove that element of the spell. Wizzies don’t really rely on it anyway as it’s unpredictable

 

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a wizard will have a very tough time fighting 2 sins in a team fight. Are the complainers simply not trying to do any focusing in these fights? Focus the high level wiz first has been a usable strategy in mir for a really long time. They are squishy. My guess is that the people complaining have done a 1v1 against a wiz 5-10 levels higher and get mopped. I saw a Warrior one shot a wiz through magic shield yesterday. Does that mean wars are op? No.

It’s mir.

I do see why the displacement is a pvp issue. It negates the reliability of mobility spells of other classes. I don’t think it would hurt anything to remove that element of the spell. Wizzies don’t really rely on it anyway as it’s unpredictable

Agree 100%

 

[Exwizz]

thing is i bet not one of you lot crying about tempest has even bothered to use Adv wind kit like GrandLion and Jeleh has done they run through tempest with ease.

you expect to run full DC/MP? and roll everyone? when every other class needs to stack a element to even do damage?

jokes right?

 

[GeeDee]

GeeDee talking like he's hard done by. There is currently 7 wizzes that are higher level than you. Must be real tough for you.

I know this has been said but yeah, I usually put in between 8-10 hours a day. A wizard can do my exp gain in about 4 hours. Tango plays about 20 hours a day, so a wizard who plays for 10 hours a day can level quicker than he can possibly level. There is just not enough hours in the day for sins to compete.

Even a wizard who plays 7/8 hours a day could compete with Tango's leveling speed.

You will notice that no sin really starts to complain until they reach about level 48-52, we dont get any stronger after level 45 to be honest.

Karma was our strongest spell, that was taken out. We could hit through Wiz shield, that was stopped. Our Wraith Grip lasted 8 seconds, now it lasts 2 seconds. All these nerfs and nothing was given to compensate any of it. I have read a lot about sins been OP on GSP, and that is probably why these nerfs happened, but it was too much. It made us the weakest class by a long way.

 

[<SOSO>]

I got killed by another fellow Wizard the other day who put down tempest everywhere simply because I was/am underleveled and I was rusty with my pvp and pressed the wrong button to Geo away safely.

That is on ME. I think others who moan about Wizards, need to learn how to self evaluate their plays and 'git gud'.

Are u a professional moron, or just a gifted amateur ?
I mean...is this the conclusion u took after reading this thread? That if u got killed by a higher lvl wizzard who had tempest placed everywhere and u "pressed" the wrong button to geo away safely and died and it was ur fault, it's all fine and we need to "git gud"? Ur a wiz who fought another wiz and died, u don't have to run in their tempest to kill them. How would u kill a wizz with say sin, or a warrior that's the same lvl as the wizz, while all the place is covered by his tempest?

 

[Jamie]

I know this has been said but yeah, I usually put in between 8-10 hours a day. A wizard can do my exp gain in about 4 hours. Tango plays about 20 hours a day, so a wizard who plays for 10 hours a day can level quicker than he can possibly level. There is just not enough hours in the day for sins to compete.

Even a wizard who plays 7/8 hours a day could compete with Tango's leveling speed.

You will notice that no sin really starts to complain until they reach about level 48-52, we dont get any stronger after level 45 to be honest.

Karma was our strongest spell, that was taken out. We could hit through Wiz shield, that was stopped. Our Wraith Grip lasted 8 seconds, now it lasts 2 seconds. All these nerfs and nothing was given to compensate any of it. I have read a lot about sins been OP on GSP, and that is probably why these nerfs happened, but it was too much. It made us the weakest class by a long way.

8 seconds?

 

[GeeDee]

thing is i bet not one of you lot crying about tempest has even bothered to use Adv wind kit like GrandLion and Jeleh has done they run through tempest with ease.

you expect to run full DC/MP? and roll everyone? when every other class needs to stack a element to even do damage?

jokes right?

Me and Jeleh could run through it when we were higher levels than the wiz. Even with Wind x5 (which we cannot get because we need vigor set), the tempest damage is now just too much. I guess with wind x5 we would still die in about 6 tics of tempest. Now that we are lower level than wiz, we just get blown all over the place. Wiz dont need Renounce to kill us, so they still have quite a bit of HP (and now advanced renounce will make us die even quicker). We cannot 1 shot a wizard.

Also we would love if element helped our damage, we would stack it, but it does nothing to us. The only way to get more damage is to stack more MP, and it is limited to how much of this we can get.

Other classes can stack MC/SC/DC as well as element. Also Luck does not really do much to our bloom spells.

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Sorry never played GSP, what was wraith grip? I heard 8 seconds, apologies if im wrong.

 

[Exwizz]

iv said this from day one i hate needing to stack elements... stacking elements makes wiz gimped into a couple of areas.

id much rather stack full MC and be able to hunt all over.

but we just lose way too much damage going full MC.

i can stack around 220 MC roughly and hit alot less than i can with 100 MC and 50 wind element.