Can someone post Rules for Sabaku Wall, watched a little but dont understand

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Wars will always have alliances. Not peoples fault THC ****ed off all the server. Even the Chinese guild who WW fight against, have even commented they would send players to stop THC. If THC had allies and out numbered us, we would not be here calling for changes to prevent alliances/numbers. We would be in game trying to improve our chars and our own numbers/alliances or try break theirs.

Why should the server not be able to prevent u taking SW and the buffs that come with it, when you consistently prevent them doing what they want to do outside of SW? Killing bosses/levelling/SW are all game features, you can stop others doing bosses/levelling but cry when they stop you at SW because its not fair? Classic bully mentality.

As for the mechanics, i was observing RaW throughout the war, you had very little coordination, very rarely did you have groups of THC together with more than 5 people at a time. Only once did you make an attempt/change of tactics from rushing the left gate, to rushing the bottom. You had to many going for the solo glory of the pk fights, rather than on the objective of taking the boss. I think your most effective players was the wizard PiZhE and a sin i cannot remember name of. They was constantly coming back to the boss to throw damage at it.

It is quite easy to get the boss off the podium, we did it in the first war, it is impossible for the defenders to move it back on, only if it randomly walks back on.


It seems you guys came for a standard death match type fight, when that is not the aim of SW. I am not going to educate you on the tactics to use to take it, but what you was attempting was pretty poor. You could of done a lot better by focusing on the objective and not the skirmishes/solo kill glory. I saw a few from THC asking for the death/kill stats for the war - which again goes to show you was not focused on the actual war objective.


You're talking like if you go to a boss hunt or lvling hunt with guild and another guild comes by you will just call it and be something like " OK guys X guild is here let them have the boss / let them lvl here let's all TT " ... PK for Bosses / Subs / Lvling has always been a part of Mir from the rest that you write you only show how much you hate, not that you care, you don't want changes to be made because you hate to much. i said it 100 times and will say it again. If it was the otherway round people would say the same things and ask for changes ;) true story
 

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For some reason people here don't like challenges ... or maybe they do but the fact that they are full of hate and acting childish makes me think they don't like a challege. I will repeat myself if it was the otherway round they would ask for the same things, but since they hate so much they will never agree and keep bashing any good feedback that comes from THC.

Far from it, if the shoe was on the other foot, we would accept we made the situation as it is.

You cant play the bad guy/guild role and then complain when the people fight back and prevent you.

You will never have a "fair" wall fight/challenge. People will have different comps/levels/kits/numbers.

Dont know where u got the 100 vs 30 from, as WW and SD had about 2 groups each. 2-3 from AaO turned up on their own accord. I would say more a 50-60 vs 30.

I mean you say you have 60-70people in your guild, you are the submitting guild, arrange it so you have more than half your members available to come then it would be more even numbers. Hell be nicer to people in game and they might help you
 

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You could always, i don't know, stop being ****s and make an alliance in time. Like everyone in Mir history has always done to take SW back.
Again, you want the server to change and accomodate your "Us 25 against the server" ideology. That isn't basis for genuine feedback.

"Sits waiting for the 'No fair SW fight will kill the server' post"
 

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You could always, i don't know, stop being ****s and make an alliance in time. Like everyone in Mir history has always done to take SW back.
Again, you want the server to change and accomodate your "Us 25 against the server" ideology. That isn't basis for genuine feedback.

"Sits waiting for the 'No fair SW fight will kill the server' post"

probably with their - no pk drops will kill server posts
 

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You could always, i don't know, stop being ****s and make an alliance in time. Like everyone in Mir history has always done to take SW back.
Again, you want the server to change and accomodate your "Us 25 against the server" ideology. That isn't basis for genuine feedback.

"Sits waiting for the 'No fair SW fight will kill the server' post"

You dont even play so zip it, pip squeek
 

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you lot piss every one off try bully smaller guilds out of hunting spots and then cry because you got your comeuppance??

please **** off quietly.
 

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you lot piss every one off try bully smaller guilds out of hunting spots and then cry because you got your comeuppance??

please **** off quietly.

what smaller guilds do we bully?

we have 60 players in our guild... yet most of them are never on at the same time we Avg around 20 players online per time.

so these smaller guilds must have less?

yet the only other guilds we PK are AAO SD and WW all have far more members.

stop talking ****.
 

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You dont even play so zip it, pip squeek

Insead of an actual response, i get this. Says everything on this matter.

Your right, I don't play this server, or any for that matter. Tho i don't see how that matters at all when discussing this subject. All relevant information is here in this thread and the last.
 

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Insead of an actual response, i get this. Says everything on this matter.

Your right, I don't play this server, or any for that matter. Tho i don't see how that matters at all when discussing this subject. All relevant information is here in this thread and the last.


It matters because if you don't play you're way off the subject and don't really know what happens in-game, so why would you bother to post here? Just because you hate 2-3 people ? Your opinions are 0 and don't really matter since you don't play. It's clearly all you are trying to do is throw shade at people and make it worst for them.

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you lot piss every one off try bully smaller guilds out of hunting spots and then cry because you got your comeuppance??

please **** off quietly.


Not sure what smaller guilds we bully ... tbf you and some of the people here act really imature. Also i see people keep changing reasons when 1 reason does not work you guys try to bring another, and people just join the hate band-wagon. Sorry is there a specific hunting spot with a specific guild name or player name where people are not allowed to go ? From what i know in Mir it was always like this, go to a boss if another guild comes you will have to fight it for them, unless the guild that comes is casual, they will just stay and watch what it drops, if not then prepare for a fight. It's not like you got there first it's yours and others will just sit and let you have the drop, everybody wants items and drops right? Don't like to fight for them? Maybe Mir is not the game for you then.

Also " please *** off quietly " will show how mature you are and what nice feedback you can give on the topic of this post
 

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This entire thread is an embarrassment. lets lay out the FACTS and separate them from all of the bullshit.

THC underestimated their Enemy. they heard rumours of ww quitting and assumed it would be a walkover- YOUR MISTAKE.

crying about an alliance that you KNEW was in effect (although no alliance mechanic means lots of friendly fire) for a month and you knew would be there is a joke. you failed to prepare for SD and they crushed you for it. again you underestimated - your mistake.

THC engaged SD on the left flank the Entirety of the war and failed to break their defences the entire war. only once tried a different strategy flanking to the bottom gate and made it predictably and sloppily. you never organised and attacked the boss en-masse you never used your ranged classes advantage to wipe out the superior numbers who were lower levels for the most part. your warriors constantly beckoned other warriors to dick measure instead of actual threats to your squishies, with the exception of ASSTWIX none of your wizards posed any kind of threat as they were pvp'ing not WARRING, again poor play on your part. all of these are oversights and mistakes on THC's part and these are the reasons you lost the war.

Had you employed any of these tactics or tried to rally friends to your side and make alliances you could have easily made a much better showing.

SW mechanics should ONLY be made easier to suit an attacker IF you fix your own mistakes. if you can come out of a war and say we played that perfectly we had numbers and a strategy and we played it well and there is still a huge gap then MAYBE something needs looking at. simple fact of the matter is you did not. you played it bad you underestimated numbers and you had a shite strategy. no mechanic change should be made based of poor play.

as for all of the shite in here about nobody wanting a challenge. the challenge has been laid at THC's feet if you cant rise to it that is nobodies problem but your own.

the fault of this war is on THC and their arrogance not an alliance they already knew about or a mechanic that they should have a plan for but didn't. Certainly not because it was 100 vs 20. your 20 didnt even get past SD who were outmatched in terms of kit and levels but equal in numbers. you got schooled on how to dictate the range of a fight because SD knew what they were doing and were organised.

stop complaining for mechanic changes until you can come out of a war and honestly say you played it perfectly and had a good strategy. because both your strategy and your play were shocking.
 

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Usual story, decent thought out points made by a few are now redundant with the trash spam - discord 2.0.

As for comments about 'underestimating' or 'bad tactics' - you have no idea what has been said in THC guild chat/discord. In regards to THC VS SD - I'm pretty sure you can't honestly say you've ever beaten us guild vs guild so please don't make claims of outplaying us when we are sandwiched between two guilds.

It's easy to comment how great you are when its 100 vs 25 - I even had people pming me 'get rekt' etc when I died on the flag to 20 people. I mean come on, get a grip lol.
 
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i dont need to be on your discord to see that you had no plan it was obvious to anyone who has actually defended sabuk correctly.

people typing at you has nothing to do with you missplaying. and is nothing less than you do 20 times a day in global so build a bridge and get over it.
 

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i dont need to be on your discord to see that you had no plan it was obvious to anyone who has actually defended sabuk correctly.

people typing at you has nothing to do with you missplaying. and is nothing less than you do 20 times a day in global so build a bridge and get over it.

I rarely global, don't mistake me for other THC members. No more commenting.
 

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I rarely global, don't mistake me for other THC members. No more commenting.

Exodus is that you mate?

Maybe you should stop PKing random groups of PVE players usually 10/15 levels lower and they won't want to fack you sweetly at the first chance they get.
 

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I rarely global, don't mistake me for other THC members. No more commenting.

picking that part out to deflect from the lack of a plan is as predictable as your guild was in the war. if you want to talk about honesty get your own in check first.

THC did assume ww were weaker than they are and paid for it
THC did underestimate SD who held them all war
THC were not sandwiched between two guilds because you never got past SD
THC did play the war poorly on an individual level (only asstwix that i saw can hold his head up high for actually warring not pvping)
THC did not prepare for the war or the known about alliance in an effective way
THC did not change strategy during the war to counter being owned on the left they just continued to derp in. the only time you did try something different and went > side gate you telegraphed it and got countered.
THC cannot say they were outnumbered because SD held them 21v25 for the entire war
i CAN say SD have beaten you guild vs guild because we wiped you AND Husaria out of ms. not to mention we just held you the entire war 21 of us vs 25 of you.

the only dishonesty in this entire thread is in THC posts wanting mechanic changes to cover their poor play.

be honest with yourselves you played it badly you were beaten by SD on the left when you had them out levelled and outmatched in kit. saying any different is naive and blinkered.
 

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picking that part out to deflect from the lack of a plan is as predictable as your guild was in the war. if you want to talk about honesty get your own in check first.

THC did assume ww were weaker than they are and paid for it
THC did underestimate SD who held them all war
THC were not sandwiched between two guilds because you never got past SD
THC did play the war poorly on an individual level (only asstwix that i saw can hold his head up high for actually warring not pvping)
THC did not prepare for the war or the known about alliance in an effective way
THC did not change strategy during the war to counter being owned on the left they just continued to derp in. the only time you did try something different and went > side gate you telegraphed it and got countered.
THC cannot say they were outnumbered because SD held them 21v25 for the entire war
i CAN say SD have beaten you guild vs guild because we wiped you AND Husaria out of ms. not to mention we just held you the entire war 21 of us vs 25 of you.

the only dishonesty in this entire thread is in THC posts wanting mechanic changes to cover their poor play.

be honest with yourselves you played it badly you were beaten by SD on the left when you had them out levelled and outmatched in kit. saying any different is naive and blinkered.

My mind boggles.

/ignored
 

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Allies is the beauty of Mir, it’s how you get massive wars best memories are sabuk wars 2 guilds vs 3 guilds etc. Imagine 150 man wars.
 

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Audrey
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picking that part out to deflect from the lack of a plan is as predictable as your guild was in the war. if you want to talk about honesty get your own in check first.

THC did assume ww were weaker than they are and paid for it
THC did underestimate SD who held them all war
THC were not sandwiched between two guilds because you never got past SD
THC did play the war poorly on an individual level (only asstwix that i saw can hold his head up high for actually warring not pvping)
THC did not prepare for the war or the known about alliance in an effective way
THC did not change strategy during the war to counter being owned on the left they just continued to derp in. the only time you did try something different and went > side gate you telegraphed it and got countered.
THC cannot say they were outnumbered because SD held them 21v25 for the entire war
i CAN say SD have beaten you guild vs guild because we wiped you AND Husaria out of ms. not to mention we just held you the entire war 21 of us vs 25 of you.

the only dishonesty in this entire thread is in THC posts wanting mechanic changes to cover their poor play.

be honest with yourselves you played it badly you were beaten by SD on the left when you had them out levelled and outmatched in kit. saying any different is naive and blinkered.


WoW... i'm amazed about your post ... this is just to much, so much bull*** and so many lies make my eyes bleed . I'm out of this post pace, be happy with your pixels lmao
 

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It's easy to comment how great you are when its 100 vs 25 - I even had people pming me 'get rekt' etc when I died on the flag to 20 people. I mean come on, get a grip lol.

Why do these numbers change each time someone posts?

Soon it will be 300 vs 1
 

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im not surprised you are confused by facts and honest discourse.

now onto the ACTUAL point of the discussion.

SW mechanics should not be changed. the wall is actually much easier to take than the old flag system. keep it as it is until an attacking guild can honestly say it played well came with a plan and executed the plan correctly. THC did not do that and no mechanic should ever be changed due to poor play.

as for the war map or guild limit being changed to suit one guild. if the server had 100-150 players maybe it would be an option as to create more competition. but as our server count is regularly double that it is not needed. the wall is very take-able if you actually execute a plan. limiting the players who can attend a war flies in the face of everything mir is. it is supposed to be a game based on war and pvp. its not hello kitty's island adventures.

introducing a lower guild cap to suit those who have less friends is completely wrong. especially considering they have less friends only due to their own playstyle and attitude within the game. reducing the guildcap would not even solve their issue. their issues are not server mechanics or size of guild.