Only thing is if people are going to start donating, there going to want to see an active team or at least someone active and replying etc.
Future of AceM2 Server...
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Why do you Fierery and others want the server files released? Like someone said it just means 6 servers instead of one. If all you people pushing for release would then concentrate on new content and give your work to Sam then yes release the files. That isnt what will happen is it?
What exactly are you all going to do with them when they are released?
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Sounds like somebody is angry :@:
Clearly you don't know how LOMCN works.
New files are found, translated/coding magic by admins/random visiters, and released on here.
Thats the idea.
(Atleast thats what I thought)
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yea thats how lomcn works , thats why we end up with crap servers with a user count of 10.
nothing good ever comes from releasing the server files , FACT.
if people spent the time finding / coding / translating there own files , they could have a descent set of files but people just want it handed on a plate. If i was sam , id charge £500 for the files and hardware lock it to your computers id.
I do agree. but locking the files to 1 PC would mean you would have to buy a dedi from day 1, if you loose/change dedi the files would become redundant and worthless.
I agree he must charge for these files. but i also agree the Source SHOULD! not be released..
The problem is the Chinese coming on here demanding all the help finding such files/sources and in the end they claim the work as theirs
Yeah but thats mir for you.
Euro went down, USA went down.
Most mir server went down, thats all in the fun of mir at the end of the day.
Everybody likes a change and never sticks to 1 released server.
The server files would never move on if they never went down in the first place.
Mir development wouldn't move on.
I agree with you daneo, the sourced should not be released.
Although I think they should be released to people who are willing to work on them, to develop 1 set of files.
Ace files are going to be the future of mir, so its worth the release of the files so people can get used to them, however: The source code should only be released to reliable people.
Yes, it is sad that Ace doesn't have a future, but then-again it was only released as a test server to start with.
It just goes to show how big of a potential these server files are going to have for future servers.
Release is a good thing.
Euro went down, USA went down.
Most mir server went down, thats all in the fun of mir at the end of the day.
Everybody likes a change and never sticks to 1 released server.
The server files would never move on if they never went down in the first place.
Mir development wouldn't move on.
I agree with you daneo, the sourced should not be released.
Although I think they should be released to people who are willing to work on them, to develop 1 set of files.
Ace files are going to be the future of mir, so its worth the release of the files so people can get used to them, however: The source code should only be released to reliable people.
Yes, it is sad that Ace doesn't have a future, but then-again it was only released as a test server to start with.
It just goes to show how big of a potential these server files are going to have for future servers.
Release is a good thing.
Locking them would be useless - if you've got the source you could simply remove/vchane the locks... Unless you're thinking of a compiled set only but then sam needs to compile a unique set for everyone? Then how do you dealt with bug repairs?
Without the source being released then nothing further will happen and the files will become stagnan, like previous sets, withj the bugs stuck there.... As for charging, I'm more than happy to fix what I can in the source and shre it back to the community - I not not however willing to be out of pocket for it. Have offered to help keep the server going, mainly for the community and the test enviroment, but have had no response, not even a thanks but no thanks.
I agree on others, I say others as it's not just the chinese, clamning the work as theirs. just disgusting - credit where it's due....
The source not being release would be a bit silly and, as above, files will become stagnant if they cant be worked on, so I partly agree with you here, Perhaps the source could be kept private/partly closed with access/copies given to only those who are willing to help the community as a whole and can be trusted not to stick them all over the web????
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Yer release the file is best option but don't release source (Even though i'd never want it to develop a private server).
People saying you should charge for a set of files are wrong to be fair. Not "ALL" Of us will use the files for a money greed. Especially me Because I think my connection/computer works fine just a few down times.
Maybe just give the files to people that has a good reputation on here?? Just a thought (+1 if you think so).
Anyways do what ever you like with the files. Unfortunately I have no ££ To even afford these files so If this does happen hopefully in near future after AceM2 has been soled and a new set of files are coming out.. It'll be FREE?
-Ash
People saying you should charge for a set of files are wrong to be fair. Not "ALL" Of us will use the files for a money greed. Especially me Because I think my connection/computer works fine just a few down times.
Maybe just give the files to people that has a good reputation on here?? Just a thought (+1 if you think so).
Anyways do what ever you like with the files. Unfortunately I have no ££ To even afford these files so If this does happen hopefully in near future after AceM2 has been soled and a new set of files are coming out.. It'll be FREE?
-Ash
Paying for the files would only be an option available to those who have it.
The files come free anyway, its the translating & additional extras that would cost the money.
However if it did get to the point where people had to pay for files, there would only be 1-2 ace servers online at the very most.
Although I don't think that LOMCN would put a fee on a free set of files unless necessary.
I couldn't agree more with this.
Whether Sam releases them for free or charge for them. They will be a welcomed set of files to the community but i like the idea of a certain amount of trusted members to push these files far and beyond.
Not angry Chose you to quote because most recent mentioner of release.
I am exasperated though by the apparent inability of the "community" to co operate with each other. It demonstrably does not happen.
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Looks more like a lot of people want to play with the files as a hobby. Thats fine.
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When it comes to producing a server that people can play everyone seems to have a different idea of what the game should be like and each one wants it done "their way". If so mir is doomed to more and more fragmentation of the possible user base until it vanishes up its own inability to work together.
Common failings I have noticed about several servers
a] every thing is too easy. Yea no one wants to take two years to reach 40 so speed it up til 35 then slow it down. put level caps of 41 on krs on old basic mir MTK DD BL ZT but you have to have new content available for release once 50% population is 41+
b] stupidly high stats are around very soon after start.
c] mobs die fast and dont hurt
Most people that play have 10 years+ experience. They dont need it making easier. eg auto sunpot slotted items hundreds of pots dropping sun bundles.
On a side note I would say that euro mir went down because of a combination of managerial incompetence, leaked files, inexperienced badly paid staff and more incompetence.
USA went down because they made enough money, apparently had no game understanding or expertise and got out while the going was good.
That said both of them lasted a lot longer than 6 months.
People still want to play this game and they will stick with a server however bad if it appears to have enough of a future to last more than 3 months. There are people still playing the USA clone not many that were there at the start but a few.
I've done quite a lot of translating in the past and if there's any to be done with these I'll certainly be sharing it back to the community - gratis :P.
I'll happily make donations to keep this server up and alive, aslong as there's a dedicated team willing to put some effort into replying etc to the playerbase, but I think it's already been drilled in this server isn't going to be around for much longer, unless Sam can recruit some trusted people which will be hard to pick due to greed takes over.
When I said this before some addicts did take offence... But mir is a no skill ancient game that consists of nothing more than a nostalgic player base giving some short life to these private servers...
The only way to keep that player base is through regular weekly / monthly updates.... This will never happen in a private server, or an official server for that matter.
The game is nothing more than grind.. It takes no planning, it takes no coordination, it takes no skill. All it takes is a fast PC and the ability to sit on your ass for 12 hours a day whacking the same mobs over and over , which no one outside of lomcn is willing to do. This is why this game never sets off officially.
Put a "pro" on a slow PC and have a noob on a fast PC and watch the noob steam roll the "pro" ... Now do this with games like starcraft and see the result.. When a game requires no skill to progress and is nothing more than a grind , people get bored quickly.
The only way to keep that player base is through regular weekly / monthly updates.... This will never happen in a private server, or an official server for that matter.
The game is nothing more than grind.. It takes no planning, it takes no coordination, it takes no skill. All it takes is a fast PC and the ability to sit on your ass for 12 hours a day whacking the same mobs over and over , which no one outside of lomcn is willing to do. This is why this game never sets off officially.
Put a "pro" on a slow PC and have a noob on a fast PC and watch the noob steam roll the "pro" ... Now do this with games like starcraft and see the result.. When a game requires no skill to progress and is nothing more than a grind , people get bored quickly.
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