Combie offered to Host for free

[Kai]

Since Combie offered to host for free, why can't you transfer the server to his dedi and let it run its course for awhile.

It may not be what you want Sam but it can run for awhile for those that are enjoying it, especially in the interim before furture acem2 servers.

You say you 'worry about the server' but really you can just reboot it once every two weeks and let it run its course without any interference whatsoever.

 

[shane1985]

Since Combie offered to host for free, why can't you transfer the server to his dedi and let it run its course for awhile.

It may not be what you want Sam but it can run for awhile for those that are enjoying it, especially in the interim before furture acem2 servers.

You say you 'worry about the server' but really you can just reboot it once every two weeks and let it run its course without any interference whatsoever.

Its ran its course, let it go.....

 

[Kai]

Its ran its course, let it go.....

Your perspective is too narrow, there have been lots of new players lately and still lots of 'older' ones are playing regularly. There was nothing said about why it would need to come down.

 

[ziiid]

Since Combie offered to host for free, why can't you transfer the server to his dedi and let it run its course for awhile.

It may not be what you want Sam but it can run for awhile for those that are enjoying it, especially in the interim before furture acem2 servers.

You say you 'worry about the server' but really you can just reboot it once every two weeks and let it run its course without any interference whatsoever.

Seems like a good point to me.

 

[Turrican]

Your perspective is too narrow, there have been lots of new players lately and still lots of 'older' ones are playing regularly. There was nothing said about why it would need to come down.

server is probably needed for the new server for testing purposes.

 

[czeldabolg]

Sam wants to make it his own server, he's not happy with its current state and since he's the only one working on it, fair play to him, it's have no devs or one devs on a new server, and i personally prefer the latter. Combie may host the new server for Sam which makes it easier on Sam, I don't think combie will host two servers. Overall it's his choice and his alone and he has announced what he will be doing. So there we go.

 

[bayya]

There's been a few things happened that people have suggested server wipe or item wipes. This is probably best thing to happen. Knowing that server might close in 4 weeks already affected the numbers playing. It could only go down more as closing day came nearer. There didnt seem to be a way to finance server that everyone could agree on , so this is best.
I would worry that people were trying out sneaky bad things while no one was paying attention.
Hope that Sam can find people he trusts to help run it while he does the things he likes doing.
I really like what Sam has done with what looked like a bit of a mish mash of ideas that werent so good for game.

 

[combie]

Just to make things clear - Yes I've offered to host and help with dev - But I'm not pushing Sam, it's his choice - but thanks for the support

 

[kktybb]

If needed I am able to supply 1 - 3 dedi's for free as well.

I already pm-ed Sam with what I can offer.

Also I might be able to find some colleague's to help develop. (I work for a Mission Critical Outsourcing company with top class Windows/Unix/Linux/Network engineers, developers etc.)

As Combie already stated. It's up to Sam what he feels right to do and go for.

 

[Skyline]

The files have a lot of sensetive info - username, passwords etc.

Sam won't want to pass these over to anyone or put on anyone else's dedi I wouldn't have though.

 

[BLaPP]

As much as I love mir, a mod cannot announce a server is closing and then change their mind. People have given away loads of stuff (some multiple times what i have) , lots of people are red for a long long time, and as Skyline says, its not just a case of putting it back up as theres lots of factors to take into consideration. Yes I want to play a decent mir server, but in my opinion, if closing the current server means we will get the new server up and running quicker, with less bugs, and more testing time, then so be it. I hate to disagree with people :S

 

[kktybb]

The files have a lot of sensetive info - username, passwords etc.

Sam won't want to pass these over to anyone or put on anyone else's dedi I wouldn't have though.

Well yes, as long as we give him a installed server and give him the admin/root password. As "owner" we will not be able to use the machine ourselves. The only thing I am in control of is the firewall (RDP on different public port for example, and set ports for mir open to the outside world), start/stopping the machine, create snapshots if needed. So basically I can not enter the machine or database as I do not have the passwords, though I am in control of the VM, which yes, require some trust and automatically places me in his team as engineer which is also my contribution to the community.

Apart from that, the reason I play Mir2 is because of the fact that I play with old my old guild buddies so what's the point in hijacking the server?
Or making myself GM and add items to the DB?

The only reason I make this offer is to have the community a server which can be played for free on a decent platform.

If the server is isolated and only accessable for Sam then I don't see the issue.

I'd prefer access to a dev server to help out scripting/testing.

 

[shane1985]

Your perspective is too narrow, there have been lots of new players lately and still lots of 'older' ones are playing regularly. There was nothing said about why it would need to come down.

Not really, didn't feel an full explanation was needed. There has not been a load of new players and those that have joined soon realise that the game is full of over powered gear which makes the game ridiculously easy. That is through the original mining exploit, the bugged bosses, leaked dropped files, uber gemmed items, luck 7 weapons, loads of heaven armours, chain bonus bug, 5 x frost tiger bug, ...I could go on. Not to sound rude but I think a few people are just selfish mainly because of the large amount of time and maybe money (lol) they invested in the server, plus they are exceptionally powerful in game. It needs wiping and from what Sam has said, I fully back him.

 

[SabioAce]

or why dont all ppl pull together and just donate to the server then sam can run it ?

 

[kktybb]

or why dont all ppl pull together and just donate to the server then sam can run it ?

Because we can do it for free ;-)

Also that person that hosts it would be a member of his team. If that person knows how to develop Mir stuff than thats a bonus and adds more value to the team.

At the moment as how I see it is that Sam wants to keep it close to him making him the single point of failure. Sure, you can run a server on your own but in the end you will loose quality. If he spends most of the time for his private life and his spare time for making new stuff there will be no time to manage stuff in game or host wise or vice versa imo. not to mention if he goes on holiday or gets sick.

You say let's donate. Trust works 2 ways.
If you donate to him, do you really know where he spends it on? Nope. You need to trust him to do the right thing.
If he decides to have it running on a free dedi by Combie or me then he needs to trust us that we do not abuse the fact that we are partly in control.

The only way to see how it goes if you try one or the other.
As seen by many other private servers in the end the end user is in control when donating. No donations mean no money to run the server. The end user wants updates because he/she donates and is not satisfied so no more donations means no money to run the server.
That's a lot of pressure you put on 1 man.
That's a formula that won't last long and has been proven over and over.

 

[Samuel]

Because we can do it for free ;-)

Also that person that hosts it would be a member of his team. If that person knows how to develop Mir stuff than thats a bonus and adds more value to the team.

At the moment as how I see it is that Sam wants to keep it close to him making him the single point of failure. Sure, you can run a server on your own but in the end you will loose quality. If he spends most of the time for his private life and his spare time for making new stuff there will be no time to manage stuff in game or host wise or vice versa imo. not to mention if he goes on holiday or gets sick.

You say let's donate. Trust works 2 ways.
If you donate to him, do you really know where he spends it on? Nope. You need to trust him to do the right thing.
If he decides to have it running on a free dedi by Combie or me then he needs to trust us that we do not abuse the fact that we are partly in control.

The only way to see how it goes if you try one or the other.
As seen by many other private servers in the end the end user is in control when donating. No donations mean no money to run the server. The end user wants updates because he/she donates and is not satisfied so no more donations means no money to run the server.
That's a lot of pressure you put on 1 man.
That's a formula that won't last long and has been proven over and over.

The AceM2 Server was never my responsibility to manage and/or host (no matter how it may have seemed), I was responsible for the code; the AceM2 server should have been closed when ChiliPepper left the team.

The server is closed and is final it won't be reopening, I am working on my own server which I feel addresses many of the issues that were experienced in AceM2.

Sam

 

[kktybb]

The AceM2 Server was never my responsibility to manage and/or host (no matter how it may have seemed), I was responsible for the code; the AceM2 server should have been closed when ChiliPepper left the team.

The server is closed and is final it won't be reopening, I am working on my own server which I feel addresses many of the issues that were experienced in AceM2.

Sam

It's not an attack on you as you should do what you prefer. I just hope you won't fail on us.

Just don't want to say... told you so.

So prove me wrong

 

[Tyraes]

It's not an attack on you as you should do what you prefer. I just hope you won't fail on us.

Just don't want to say... told you so.

So prove me wrong

Even if he did choose to not make a new server he wouldn't be failing anyone. The amount of time these guys, especially Sam, has dedicated to this project is mad.

Show some respect.

 

[Shady]

Even if he did choose to not make a new server he wouldn't be failing anyone. The amount of time these guys, especially Sam, has dedicated to this project is mad.

Show some respect.

+1

 

[kktybb]

Even if he did choose to not make a new server he wouldn't be failing anyone. The amount of time these guys, especially Sam, has dedicated to this project is mad.

Show some respect.

You say I don't have respect for him. You far from right about that.

Apparently whatever I write is being received way differently then intended and apparently my help isn't desirable.