Mirroring tested, bugs and ideas, looking for discussion.

[rainstone]

Summary of mirroring.

Mirroring:
Learned at level 41, Wizard, reach level 3 at 45, MP consumption 39.
function: flinching mobs or players by FlameDisruptor (for life, MP consumption 37 of main character per attack) or Thurder bolt (for undead, MP consumption 18 of main character per attack), damage range 7-11 for Both FD and TB. it absorbs its damage and reduce main character's MP. Do not have magicshield.
leveling: not clear.
Availability: 2-3 books with in the server.
importance: Strong binding with main character by MP consumption. Flinching mobs or players. Defined by summons an identical clone of the caster to aid with attacks and confuse the foe (http://www.mirchronicles.com/magic.php)

My opinion: as a rare and high level skill of cloning in the game, mirroring needs to have fairly more advantage.

Opinion from a experienced wizard from Euro & GamePotUSA:

I had mirroring on both Euro & GamePotUSA and these are the changes that should be made to match it:-

1.) Mirror does have some AC/AMC on those servers. I don't know the exact figures, I would suggest this is based on a typical L40 Wiz AC/AMC
2.) Damage taken by mirror is equal to 1/5 that amount of MP only, not same amount. E.g. On Euro the guard would do 200 damage for example and my MP bar lost 40MP. This applies to all damage taken, you receive the 20% the damage amount from your MP bar.
3.) Mirroring does not take 18/37MP per shot, it takes MP overtime by reducing your 16-18 second regain. Level 0 reduced it somewhat, Level 1 quite significantly, level 2 made it so you hardly regained anything and level 3 made you lose MP per interval rather than regain it. So levelling it to L3 was a tricky decision
4.) Mirrorings damage increased with level, and this was visible from tests on the trainer. Level 3 did much more than Level 0 did and attacked significantly quicker. Level 0 had a delay which made it slower than a player while Level 3 matched the same speed. Overall levelling made it a huge different to damage output but cost you MP over time.



I did play ACE2M and I noticed mirroring was not the same as Euro in the above ways. The way it took mana per shot was a disaster and a mistake IMO, made it useless for PvE and was not as it was originally. As said it just become this useless PvP crap which I stopped using in favor of an extra pet.

Source: my memory, either everything I have said above is true or I have mental problems and remember fake things that I spent hundred of hours testing on trainer and making notes of in notepads.

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Sam you said mirror cuts through amc, but the mirror cannot flinch or hit any mobs in orcs its really annoying. Can you please check this.

Dear everyone,

I tested mirroring and here is some results from testing.

I believe the purpose of mirroring is to create a clone to confuse enemy and add the attack (http://www.mirchronicles.com/magic.php) .

However, my enemy can easily distinguish it from true character because:

First of all, it can only walk with simple routine - following - not even better than the bluefrog who as least can jump away from enemy.

Second, it can not do magicsheild to protect and for the purpose of confusion.

Some other opinions:

Third, I do not know it can do other skills rather than FD and TB. I would suggest all single attack magics should be added randomly or whatever, such as FC and one of the new skill TFD.

Forth, does it count as one of my pet or it is independent? for example, 5 pets +clone or 4 pets +clone

Fifth, How much power will the clone have?
I have tested the damage and it is very low at level 0.
I do not tested the AC or MAC and other stuff such as agil (avoiding physical attack).
I do not know how much % it will reach at the level 3. I hope it will do at least 80%...100% will be the best case when it reaches level 3.

Sixth, a bug: you can not call the clone if you are facing the wall. (compare to Taoist pets)

As a 41 level wizard skills before FF, I believe it should be stronger than the deva, at least...

Looking forward to the opinions and thoughts to perfect and balance this game, which is never ended.

 

[Samuel]

Dear everyone,

I tested mirroring and here is some results from testing.

I believe the purpose of mirroring is to create a clone to confuse enemy and add the attack (http://www.mirchronicles.com/magic.php) .

However, my enemy can easily distinguish it from true character because:

First of all, it can only walk with simple routine - following - not even better than the bluefrog who as least can jump away from enemy.

I plan on given mirroring more control (similar to what Deva already has) e.g.

@mirroring follow - follows master.
@mirroring chase - chases target.
@mirroring guard - doesn't move, but still attacks.
@mirroring masterstarget - only attacks masters target.
@mirroring anytarget - normal attack mode.

These are currently not available for mirroring yet, but will be soon.

Second, it can not do magicsheild to protect and for the purpose of confusion.

There is no intention of giving mirroring magicshield, it runs off of your MP and therefore has a reasonably large life span as it is.

Some other opinions:

Third, I do not know it can do other skills rather than FD and TB. I would suggest all single attack magics should be added randomly or whatever, such as FC and one of the new skill TFD.

It only uses thunderbolt and flamedisruptor.

Forth, does it count as one of my pet or it is independent? for example, 5 pets +clone or 4 pets +clone

It does count as one of your pets yes, mirroring + 4 others.

Fifth, How much power will the clone have?
I have tested the damage and it is very low at level 0.
I do not tested the AC or MAC and other stuff such as agil (avoiding physical attack).
I do not know how much % it will reach at the level 3. I hope it will do at least 80%...100% will be the best case when it reaches level 3.

Its damage is designed to be low, however, it completely cuts through amc so should hit very often with a low damage (designed to flinch the target).

Sixth, a bug: you can not call the clone if you are facing the wall. (compare to Taoist pets)

Could you provide some additional information on this.

As a 41 level wizard skills before FF, I believe it should be stronger than the deva, at least...

I believe each has their pro's/con's... Deva hits harder but does not cut through amc and has a much smaller pool of health, where mirrorings hits are weaker, but they cut amc and has a huge pool of health.

Looking forward to the opinions and thoughts to perfect and balance this game, which is never ended.

Response in blue.

Sam

 

[rainstone]

thanks for detailed answers!
Point 1,

I hope the code come out as soon as possible.

Point 2.

I do not understand "it runs off of your MP" clearly.
I do get a message saying that it is destroyed due to lack of MP.

Point 4,

You mean I can not call clone if I have 5 pets already? check if there is a bug stopping you from applying your idea here.

Point 5 and compare to deva,

How is the damage related to mc at code level. is lucky included? which means, does the equipment affect the damage. I suggest it should..
Cuts through AMC...mm...seems a good point. but how about Magicsheild.


Point 6,
clone can not be called if there is not space in front of you, for example, wall.

 

[Samuel]

thanks for detailed answers!
Point 1,

I hope the code come out as soon as possible.

Point 2.

I do not understand "it runs off of your MP" clearly.
I do get a message saying that it is destroyed due to lack of MP.

Your mirrorings health uses your MP... So if your mirroring is hit, it drains your mp.

Point 4,

You mean I can not call clone if I have 5 pets already? check if there is a bug stopping you from applying your idea here.

If you have 5 pets, you shouldn't be able to call mirroring (ie have 6 pets).

Point 5 and compare to deva,

How is the damage related to mc at code level. is lucky included? which means, does the equipment affect the damage. I suggest it should..
Cuts through AMC...mm...seems a good point. but how about Magicsheild.

I can't remember if MagicShield increases amc also... I assume it does, and therefor mirroring will cut through its amc.

Point 6,
clone can not be called if there is not space in front of you, for example, wall.

This could be a bug if Deva does it... If you are able to provide a video of what you mean it would be greatly appreciated as I am not 100% sure I understand.

In blue again.

Sam

 

[Far]

Point 2.

I do not understand "it runs off of your MP" clearly.
I do get a message saying that it is destroyed due to lack of MP.

The clones hp = your mp. Providing you have mp it will stay alive.

 

[rainstone]

Understand Point 2 clearly now! thanks for Far's answer too!

Point 5 is not clear to me.
the point that clone have two skills thunderbolt and flamedisruptor is to damage different mobs or characters with higher damage, right?
So
1. is the damage related to MC or not? It needs to be flexiable as it is a clone:P. I am a biologist~
2. the clones hp = my mp, so the question will be: does it have the same AC and MAC as my character do? If it gets high damage.. my MC will be gone like flow water as it is still stupid:P now...

 

[Samuel]

Understand Point 2 clearly now! thanks for Far's answer too!

Point 5 is not clear to me.
the point that clone have two skills thunderbolt and flamedisruptor is to damage different mobs or characters with higher damage, right?
So

I will have to double check as it has been so long since I coded this, however, I think it is just a graphical change.

1. is the damage related to MC or not? It needs to be flexiable as it is a clone:P. I am a biologist~

It is not related to MC no, it is controlled independently.

2. the clones hp = my mp, so the question will be: does it have the same AC and MAC as my character do? If it gets high damage.. my MC will be gone like flow water as it is still stupid:P now...

Same as MC, it is controlled independently in the DB's.

Blue.

Sam

 

[omenking]

Just a suggestion, could you not make Mirroring so that it copies exactly what you do but with lower damage? Or at least give it a wider range of spells to use. When I think of the word Mirroring that's what I think it should do, copy what you do hence the name.
I was looking forward to this spell but now not so much if it only uses Thunderbolt and Flame Disruptor

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Also it would help us solo players if it did copy what you cast as you wouldn't have to rely on somebody else or a group because at the moment to get anywhere in the game you're forced to be in groups mostly, whether big or small.

 

[Samuel]

Just a suggestion, could you not make Mirroring so that it copies exactly what you do but with lower damage? Or at least give it a wider range of spells to use. When I think of the word Mirroring that's what I think it should do, copy what you do hence the name.
I was looking forward to this spell but now not so much if it only uses Thunderbolt and Flame Disruptor

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Also it would help us solo players if it did copy what you cast as you wouldn't have to rely on somebody else or a group because at the moment to get anywhere in the game you're forced to be in groups mostly, whether big or small.

It works mostly as official... Which isn't a proper answer, but thought I would mention so people who didn't know how it worked don't expect it to have been capable of mimicking all skills...

There isn't many more skills I would be willing to add to it tbh... Any AOE skills would be out of the question due to making it to OP... It is designed to be a stopping point in PvP and I believe it achieves this?

Sam

 

[rainstone]

Now I have level 2 mirroring. my feeling is pain in the ass...

First of all, it consume my mp to attack. if you said it is just a graphical change. it does not make any sense!!!
Because the flamedisruptor consumes 37 mp while the Thunderbolt consumes 18. the 19 mc consumption difference just give me the graphic change... I rather no use this skill...

Second, the average damage is 9, the same as level 0. anyway, it make no sense of such low damage. for the purpose of adding the damage to the pvp? make no sense. warrior can get close to wizard by shoulder dash even he get hit. Frost tiger (damage 60+, 10-20 damage with magicshield on + freeze chance... tested with Evilwoman2 when he reach level 45.) can do better since it can be tamed at level 45, the same as level 3 mirroring.

My conclusion of this skill: high consuming of mp, not practical. Con's over pro's far far away. a lot of other strategy in pvp can be better. for example, firewalls.

My expects of high level skills should give a character new strategies in pvp or hunting, but my conclusion of this skill so far, I will not use it.

My prediction is mirroring will consume all of my MPs in pvp, which wizard is mainly relying on to attack.

 

[omenking]

It works mostly as official... Which isn't a proper answer, but thought I would mention so people who didn't know how it worked don't expect it to have been capable of mimicking all skills...

There isn't many more skills I would be willing to add to it tbh... Any AOE skills would be out of the question due to making it to OP... It is designed to be a stopping point in PvP and I believe it achieves this?

Sam

Does it have to be based around PVP though? What about PVE? It wouldn't be too overpowered if it did significantly lower damage.
If it's mainly just for PVP could you possibly add Magic Shield to it? This would confuse your enemies a little more to figure out which one you are otherwise they'll know which is which straight away if your clone isn't able to cast it.

 

[Varaka]

From what I can remember in Euro it only did T bolt lol.

Someone in guild was pvping some wiz in a cave and said " lol this clone skill is silly, it doesn't cast shield so I know which is the real one"

With the extra commands coming we are very luck. I will have to wait till I get a copy myself before I can make any real comments.

Rain maybe you can test it against someone with a tiger necklace and see if it hits every time?

 

[rainstone]

Magic Shield should be added, because its damage consume your MP plus its attack magic also consuming your MP. You will find your MP run out by three time fast.......lol, when your MP is gone, you are out......

Does it have to be based around PVP though? What about PVE? It wouldn't be too overpowered if it did significantly lower damage.
If it's mainly just for PVP could you possibly add Magic Shield to it? This would confuse your enemies a little more to figure out which one you are otherwise they'll know which is which straight away if your clone isn't able to cast it.

 

[Varaka]

Does it have to be based around PVP though? What about PVE? It wouldn't be too overpowered if it did significantly lower damage.
If it's mainly just for PVP could you possibly add Magic Shield to it? This would confuse your enemies a little more to figure out which one you are otherwise they'll know which is which straight away if your clone isn't able to cast it.

Maybe even if it is a fake shield so the clone still takes the same amount of damage.

 

[rainstone]

I do not even want to use it... tiger necklace can not avoid icestorm and I use it to stop my enemy.

Have to make a joke out of it:
Mirroring is: Everything of your clone related to eating and shitting is paid by you but his damage is independent low.

disappoint.

From what I can remember in Euro it only did T bolt lol.

Someone in guild was pvping some wiz in a cave and said " lol this clone skill is silly, it doesn't cast shield so I know which is the real one"

With the extra commands coming we are very luck. I will have to wait till I get a copy myself before I can make any real comments.

Rain maybe you can test it against someone with a tiger necklace and see if it hits every time?

 

[Bhavesh]

according to Stoney ( who has mirroring...) it casts TB on undead mobs and FD on living ones

on orcs it will use FD and on Zuma's it will do TB

Yep on euro it only had TB.

The flavor text is to add a bit of RP. its not to confuse players but mobs...

people forget that pvp is a secondary aspect of the game.

if you dont want the skill i'm sure plenty of warriors wouldnt mind it lol

 

[rainstone]

Details of damage and consumption of MP, just tested.

MY MC 8-44,
Average TB damage 51 (higher with undead); magic consumption 18.
Average FD damage 77;magic consumption 37

Clone average FD damage 7-8, MC consumption 37. (MAC cut through make no sense at this low damage level).
it does not have magic shield which means if it gets hurt by lightning, you have to lost 110+mp, TDB for 160+, flamesword 150+.

If I am fighting a wizard with mirroring, I only have to attack it clone. he will run out of MP:lol( means no clone, no magicshield, no magic at all)
A wizard with no MP...mmmm...!!!

Plus, we know how stupid the AI is.


PS: Yimoogi has clone skill. its clone has approximately 80% damage of ture Yimoogi.

 

[Turrican]

PS: Yimoogi has clone skill. its clone has approximately 80% damage of ture Yimoogi.

This swings it for me.

 

[Adv]

Jesus, can you just give this guys Mirror FF and MetStrike and get it over with.

Mirror was always designed to flinch, not "confuse" or bring about the next apocolypse...lol

x

 

[Shank]

Jesus, can you just give this guys Mirror FF and MetStrike and get it over with.

Mirror was always designed to flinch, not "confuse" or bring about the next apocolypse...lol

x

lol exactly, never used to FD only used T Bolt but theyre still moaning! behave kids and be lucky it FD's