Wizard MP change

[ziiid]

Hey team,

From reading the forums one of the most repeated requests from wizard is a change of MP costs, on first glance this seems like it would be both very easy to implement while at the same time have very little effect on overall class balance. Any reasons on why this hasn't been changed?

 

[davey_boyy]

most important thing to do class balance is NERF archers by a lot... I think sin/tao/war is pretty well balanced but archers are OTT op a class that can 1 hit from RANGE 3 out of the 5 classes in averageish kit and lvl 43?? Archers do 4-5X the damage of wizzies single target spells lol nerf archers buff wizzies and leave tao/sin/war is about right, server would be good and well balanced if you take archers out its basically whats unbalancing everything.

 

[Carribean]

most important thing to do class balance is NERF archers by a lot... I think sin/tao/war is pretty well balanced but archers are OTT op a class that can 1 hit from RANGE 3 out of the 5 classes in averageish kit and lvl 43??

who one hits 3 out of 5 classes? please provide some proof of this absolute bullshit post you crying little twat

Archers do 4-5X the damage of wizzies single target spells lol

and how do u work this one out? did u do maths at school i hit 170 if im very very lucky?

nerf archers buff wizzies and leave tao/sin/war is about right, server would be good and well balanced if you take archers out its basically whats unbalancing everything.

so basically nerf your anti class and buff your own class? your a deluded little twat who crys for his own personal gain and has done since the start of the server

if u put as much effort into gemming and bossing to get decent kit as you do these little shitty hate posts for archers, you may actually start doing damage and progress in the game and not find archers that much of a problem. the amount of BS that comes out of your mouth just highlights the fact your a **** player who moans because he wants to to top damage with shitty shop kit.

 

[davey_boyy]

Lmao did I touch a nerve? can a mod please look at this Bad language I think it deserves a warning... and yes archers ARE OP clearly ur an archer so u don't want to admit that yes they deal 4X the damage a wiz can barrage can hit 300-400 a wizzes flame disruptor which is the same kinda spell single target hits about 80s in roughly the same kit so yes its not wrong you just want it easy and don't want your OP class nerfed yes barrage can 1 hit wiz,taos and other archers....

I have shop kit mc yes but it makes no diff what mc you have Xele in his mega rare maxed out kit did still did not do as high damage as an archer could in the same kit as his an archer would have about 130+ DC it wud be hitting into the 500s lool.... didn't see xele hit that???

 

[Exwizz]

Lmao did I touch a nerve? can a mod please look at this Bad language I think it deserves a warning... and yes archers ARE OP clearly ur an archer so u don't want to admit that yes they deal 4X the damage a wiz can barrage can hit 300-400 a wizzes flame disruptor which is the same kinda spell single target hits about 80s in roughly the same kit so yes its not wrong you just want it easy and don't want your OP class nerfed yes barrage can 1 hit wiz,taos and other archers....

I have shop kit mc yes but it makes no diff what mc you have Xele in his mega rare maxed out kit did still did not do as high damage as an archer could in the same kit as his an archer would have about 130+ DC it wud be hitting into the 500s lool.... didn't see xele hit that???

You're to far up your own arse, Yes archers have a 18 second nuke spell that does nice damage.. but theres noway you can compare it to fking flame disruptor lol. Arrow barrage is a rare spell just like flamefield and blizzard ect but because a few archers have arrow barrage and no wizzys have any of there rare spells yet you dont like that fact that we do more damage.

Wizzys are a mass killing aoe class that can tame 5 pets, i have never fought against a wizzy that used pets in pvp yet.. as for xele he had standard kit just like everyone else whos not a complete noob and doesn't graft for items (for example you) and he could probably 2 hit me with lightning and red poison.

and just fyi archers are high damage single target dps and wizzys are not so stfu and deal with it.

 

[Samuel]

MP is set to what it has always been since... Forever and there was never any complaints about this before... This leads me to believe that mp consumption is not the real underlying issue with wizards.

Sam

 

[davey_boyy]

MP is set to what it has always been since... Forever and there was never any complaints about this before... This leads me to believe that mp consumption is not the real underlying issue with wizards.

Sam

Samuel are you aware you created a ranged class that can 1 shot from RANGE 3 out of the 5 classes? Archers currently do this to taos,wizz and other archers do you not think this is OP and broken??? they do more than Wars flame sword but from RANGE.

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You're to far up your own arse, Yes archers have a 18 second nuke spell that does nice damage.. but theres noway you can compare it to fking flame disruptor lol. Arrow barrage is a rare spell just like flamefield and blizzard ect but because a few archers have arrow barrage and no wizzys have any of there rare spells yet you dont like that fact that we do more damage.

Wizzys are a mass killing aoe class that can tame 5 pets, i have never fought against a wizzy that used pets in pvp yet.. as for xele he had standard kit just like everyone else whos not a complete noob and doesn't graft for items (for example you) and he could probably 2 hit me with lightning and red poison.

and just fyi archers are high damage single target dps and wizzys are not so stfu and deal with it.

Barrage is not really a rare spell been dropping daily a few archers have it? most archers have it now whereas how many wizzys have FF? oh wait NONE lol xD Xele had standard kit? hmmmm ok lol he had the best kit on server their was no comparison to any other class his kit was all gemmed+3 and slotted and its almost impossible to land lightning 2 in a row u have to be completely braindead to get hit by lightning more than once lol..... u just gotta change direction and next hit is missed.

 

[evilwomann]

I've never been 1 hit from ab tbh, tried it out with few diff people, ovs without shield it's a diff story but so is a fs by a warr, zeuss who has hit you for 400 damage? I'm pretty sure the archer wasn't in a average kit lol,

Mp usage is a lot but that's cause you have to spam your spells cause of the damage, when the spells get buffed it will take less casts to kill the mob which would mean less mp being used

 

[Scampi]

MP is set to what it has always been since... Forever and there was never any complaints about this before... This leads me to believe that mp consumption is not the real underlying issue with wizards.

Sam

but mobs have higher hp............

i get sick of typing the same things again and again on these forums

http://www.lomcn.org/forum/showthread.php?84714-Wizard-Class&p=938370&highlight=#post938370

 

[Exwizz]

Samuel are you aware you created a ranged class that can 1 shot from RANGE 3 out of the 5 classes? Archers currently do this to taos,wizz and other archers do you not think this is OP and broken??? they do more than Wars flame sword but from RANGE.

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Barrage is not really a rare spell been dropping daily a few archers have it? most archers have it now whereas how many wizzys have FF? oh wait NONE lol xD Xele had standard kit? hmmmm ok lol he had the best kit on server their was no comparison to any other class his kit was all gemmed+3 and slotted and its almost impossible to land lightning 2 in a row u have to be completely braindead to get hit by lightning more than once lol..... u just gotta change direction and next hit is missed.

It's like talking to a wall, i won't bother anymore you complete utter moron.

 

[davey_boyy]

It's like talking to a wall, i won't bother anymore you complete utter moron.

Lmao because you know i'm right everything I post/say is constructive truth I don't exaggerate anything I am not biased... you just don't want it brought to ppls attention how much OP skill barrage is almost everyone who plays says it is ridiculous skill no skill shud be able to deal that much damage cooldown or not... simple as you the moron buddy

 

[ILovePie:D]

I've never been 1 hit from ab tbh, tried it out with few diff people, ovs without shield it's a diff story but so is a fs by a warr, zeuss who has hit you for 400 damage? I'm pretty sure the archer wasn't in a average kit lol,

I can confirm ExCaLa could hit 350 unpoisonedwith DC65 (fate bow, and shop kit, coral rings / DG's etc).

 

[Doug]

I've never been 1 hit from ab tbh, tried it out with few diff people, ovs without shield it's a diff story but so is a fs by a warr, zeuss who has hit you for 400 damage? I'm pretty sure the archer wasn't in a average kit lol,

Mp usage is a lot but that's cause you have to spam your spells cause of the damage, when the spells get buffed it will take less casts to kill the mob which would mean less mp being used

Cookiemonster in the 43 bow and decent kit was 1 hitting level 44 Taos and almost 1 hitting swamp duck, So your clearly getting hit by AB in shop kit, even Wong can almost 1 hit ludacris, I think AB is fine but should NOT go thru magic shield so easily and archers Hp should be restored to original now these spells are more common

 

[TheRealSphinx]

I have nothing against "constructive" discussions about class balances... *if they need to be done then ok.

But seriously ~ if you cut something then you need to add something to get a balance...
Archers Heal Pool is not superior.
Most hits on my archers are in Shop items are 50-100 (Level37). Static Shot 30-40. I can not run into a lure cause my AMC+AC doesnt allow it.
Any Melle Class can onehit me if they got me (even with the health increase). We have no Magic Shield like a Wizzys...

So what in your opinion should be nerved ? What else has left for us Archers in a serious Question. So delete this Class would be the best advise.

Make a Archer like a Wizzy Type of Class *then add us AOE Spells + Pets + MagicShield... and make the AOE Spells + Single Hits same Dmg like a Wizzy...

 

[Varaka]

I have been 1 hit by AB I'm not sure if my shield was up or not because it happened kinda quick lol. ( I think it was down or about to fade)

I had 258hp at the time but 8-40AC - archer was in better than average shop kit.

POP goes the weeeeeasel I mean wizard.

I have created an archer so watch out!

 

[davey_boyy]

I have nothing against "constructive" discussions about class balances... *if they need to be done then ok.

But seriously ~ if you cut something then you need to add something to get a balance...
Archers Heal Pool is not superior.
Most hits on my archers are In Shop items are 50-100 (Level37)
Static Shot 30-40. I can not run into a lure cause my AMC+AC doesnt allow it.
Any Melle Class can onehit me if they got me (even with the health increase). We have no Magic Shield like a Wizzys...

So what in your opinion should be nerved ? What else has left for us Archers in a serious Question. So delete this Class would be the best advise.

Make a Archer like a Wizzy Type of Class *then add us AOE Spells + Pets + MagicShield... and make the AOE Spells + Single Hits same Dmg like a Wizzy...

There is your problem lol lvl 37?? that's noob lvl your not going to do much damage then get an archer to 43+ with average kit then compare ya cannot base it of being nooby lvl 37 loool, that damage at lvl 37 in shop kit is same as xele in his mc 80 rarest kit on server lol...

Yes delete archers would be best they have ruined this server, completely negated wizards we have a ranged class we didn't need Archers we have melee class we didn't need Sins either this server with just Tao/wiz/war would have been a good server but untested made up class has ruined it. no one even plays wiz go ingame look how many archers there are then see how many wiz you run into....

 

[evilwomann]

Varaka ac is useless against a archer he hits amc?? And 258hp is quite low, you not have no hp items on? If any1 wants to test ab on me I'll put some amc and hp on and see the damage later?? More than happy 2

 

[Samuel]

but mobs have higher hp............

i get sick of typing the same things again and again on these forums

http://www.lomcn.org/forum/showthread.php?84714-Wizard-Class&p=938370&highlight=#post938370

Your sig made me lol...

And OK fair point...

Sam

 

[RandomGKL]

There is your problem lol lvl 37?? that's noob lvl your not going to do much damage then get an archer to 43+ with average kit

To be fair, im 44 and hit barley hit any higher then that. Fate bow, power rings, death gauntlets. I dont have barrage or piercing shot.

With deadly aim, plat arrows and red poison I can hit upto 200ish(1 in 5 hits??) with firearrow on some mobs (way lower in pvp).

In PVP I cannot beat auto pots 1v1, best I can do is annoy them with static shot.

Im sure with a 36+ wep and barrage I will be able to 1 hit kill some wizys, maybe lucky crit some of the other class's too (lower level then me).

evilwoman beats me with single target damage atm, dam OP lightning :P

 

[davey_boyy]

To be fair, im 44 and hit barley hit any higher then that. Fate bow, power rings, death gauntlets. I dont have barrage or piercing shot.

With deadly aim, plat arrows and red poison I can hit upto 200ish(1 in 5 hits??) with firearrow on some mobs (way lower in pvp).

In PVP I cannot beat auto pots 1v1, best I can do is annoy them with static shot.

Im sure with a 36+ wep and barrage I will be able to 1 hit kill some wizys, maybe lucky crit some of the other class's too (lower level then me).

evilwoman beats me with single target damage atm, dam OP lightning :P

U clueless archer hits by far more single target than wiz, and I hate ppl using lightning as example lightning isn't a single target spell its a LOS line of sight skill and requires positioning to land its impossible to land 2 in a row so u cant compare it to fireshot or flame disruptor its just not as useful.