Recall Set

[CrazyBear...]

Hi

Please can a member of the team confirm if they expected a recall set in-game by now?

As far as we are aware, one part of the recall set has never dropped, yet many guilds have had multiple other parts of the recall set. (Team/TKO/Orgasmics/Apex/Curse10)

Is this just bad luck? I would have expected atleast one to drop this far into the server.

Thanks.

 

[reecew]

already asked about this months ago when i only needed 1 part... BH said bracelet is in drops but he wont discuss drops with no one.

 

[CrazyBear...]

already asked about this months ago when i only needed 1 part... BH said bracelet is in drops but he wont discuss drops with no one.

It doesn't make sense when there is so many duplicates of the other pieces of the set, hence why im thinking someone must be wrong.

 

[Babyhack]

already asked about this months ago when i only needed 1 part... BH said bracelet is in drops but he wont discuss drops with no one.

This

The brace is set to be super rare and for good reason

It is in drops, 5 monsters can drop it

[HINT]Maybe bosses do not drop it[/HINT]

BH

 

[reecew]

i thought the same countless times.. i even said it could have been a spelling mistake in DB but couldn't get a strong response to clarify there in game.

 

[Babyhack]

i thought the same countless times.. i even said it could have been a spelling mistake in DB but couldn't get a strong response to clarify there in game.

No spelling mistakes, I just checked it in game (again)

As I said its just super rare

BH

 

[reecew]

This

The brace is set to be super rare and for good reason

It is in drops, 5 monsters can drop it

[HINT]Maybe bosses do not drop it[/HINT]

BH

and if that's the case at least one should have dropped by now server has been online for a long time and about 500+ different people play daily and use to be more people and not one has been seen...and every cave in the game will be hunted in daily for hours by many different people..

also another thing how a poison cloud book dropped on day on of the server from toxic ghoul or w,e it was ( apparently if it dropped it was like the odds of winning the lotto... crazy odds )

im not having ago at anyone just from a ex-players prospective.

just seems strange how like 3-4 heaven amours are in game before recall brace

 

[Babyhack]

also another thing how a poison cloud book dropped on day on of the server from toxic ghoul or w,e it was ( apparently if it dropped it was like the odds of winning the lotto... crazy odds )

im not having ago at anyone just from a ex-players prospective.

just seems strange how like 3-4 heaven amours are in game before recall brace

Random is random

As i have said and I even gave a hint, some monsters are not killed as much as others, some caves are not cleared as much as others, so monsters are just ran past to get to the boss.

Its set to be super rare and as I said it is for good reason
Once one drops and it will, the guild that gets it will be very powerful

BH

 

[ILovePie:D]

I'd rather recall sets be super rare, at the minute, the game is pretty easy, so it would just make things easier.

 

[Razarus]

What floors can be recalled to?
I remember recall sets being used for pvp only because most floors worth recalling to were set to not allow recall.

There is so little pvp that I cant ever imagine a recall set being needed for a battle, especially if the battle takes place in a non RT'able floor that is usually the case to block doors etc and i presume the recall set would also be void in the non rtable floors.

I have said a number of times that Orcs must be able to drop something good, the server has run by poor exp = chance of rare, good exp = dreadful drops. its just a shame that orcs is such a horrible place to hunt and the rate of the rares is still too high to combat the effort, risk and lack of enjoyment that this cave offers.
on the flip side, if the rare rate was improved, the rate people would hunt here would increase and then the rare rate would be too high.
Its a difficult balance.

If you think an orc could have 1/1000 drop rate. how often are 1000 orcs killed? once a week over the whole server? if that.
The drops are probably more like 1/5000 and lets be fair no group or guild are going to have an orc clearing hunt.
I would suggest increasing the rate and then when the cave gets popular amongst looters ninja nerf it again =)

 

[Babyhack]

What floors can be recalled to?
I remember recall sets being used for pvp only because most floors worth recalling to were set to not allow recall.

There is so little pvp that I cant ever imagine a recall set being needed for a battle, especially if the battle takes place in a non RT'able floor that is usually the case to block doors etc and i presume the recall set would also be void in the non rtable floors.

I have said a number of times that Orcs must be able to drop something good, the server has run by poor exp = chance of rare, good exp = dreadful drops. its just a shame that orcs is such a horrible place to hunt and the rate of the rares is still too high to combat the effort, risk and lack of enjoyment that this cave offers.
on the flip side, if the rare rate was improved, the rate people would hunt here would increase and then the rare rate would be too high.
Its a difficult balance.

If you think an orc could have 1/1000 drop rate. how often are 1000 orcs killed? once a week over the whole server? if that.
The drops are probably more like 1/5000 and lets be fair no group or guild are going to have an orc clearing hunt.
I would suggest increasing the rate and then when the cave gets popular amongst looters ninja nerf it again =)

What makes you think it is orcs :P

BH

 

[CrazyBear...]

What makes you think it is orcs :P

BH

If the Orc Walord dropped us a golden tiara last night, im not expecting anything good off the normal orcs :RpS_w00t:

I think it's because you mentioned some caves are just ran through to get to the boss (Orc Colussus), i guess we are we talking low / mid level caves then. I have a feeling itll be somewhere like ZT.

 

[Babyhack]

If the Orc Walord dropped us a golden tiara last night, im not expecting anything good off the normal orcs :RpS_w00t:

Just bad luck, it also prob dropped you a few benes, some marbles and other stuff :P

The one drop system still has a random element to it

BH

 

[Razarus]

If the Orc Walord dropped us a golden tiara last night, im not expecting anything good off the normal orcs :RpS_w00t:

yes but a mino drops a goldring but the 5000th mino drops a flamefield book. - the reason we have seen the flamefield book is because mino is worth hunting.
the first orc might drop a hppot the 5000th could drop a level 50spell - the reason we will never see this is because orcs are not worth hunting.
The extremely rare items are not why standard mobs get hunted, they are a bonus.

BH I believe it to be orcs because they are the only mob ingame that do not get frequently killed in large quantities.every other cave has been "worthwhile" for standard hunting at some point in the game.

 

[CrazyBear...]

yes but a mino drops a goldring but the 5000th mino drops a flamefield book. - the reason we have seen the flamefield book is because mino is worth hunting.
the first orc might drop a hppot the 5000th could drop a level 50spell - the reason we will never see this is because orcs are not worth hunting.
The extremely rare items are not why standard mobs get hunted, they are a bonus.

BH I believe it to be orcs because they are the only mob ingame that do not get frequently killed in large quantities.every other cave has been "worthwhile" for standard hunting at some point in the game.

Razurus, we go to the Orc Walord almost every evening, and kill around 250 Orcs on the way to KR. I know DragonDynasty also frequently Walord. There has been no reports of any such items dropped.

WT/ZT seems to drop the rest of the set, i don't see why the brace would be any different, just a much less chance.

 

[Razarus]

Razurus, we go to the Orc Walord almost every evening, and kill around 250 Orcs on the way to KR. I know DragonDynasty also frequently Walord. There has been no reports of any such items dropped.

WT/ZT seems to drop the rest of the set, i don't see why the brace would be any different, just a much less chance.

Yeah my point exactly. 250-500 mobs killed a day when that is done in 2-3hours every 2-4 hours in places like mino.
Maybe this thread wasnt the ideal place to start discussing this as im not really talking about the recall brace but items in general from places like orcs (they must have rares in the file, but how rare and how often they are killed doesn't warrant orc hunting)

I'm not just talking about the recall brace, I think that should come from the same place as the other bits but it doesn't as BH stated its not from a boss.

Ill move on from this thread as i am taking it off topic.
Apologies.

 

[HarryH]

Before the first set of major drop changes:

Recall ring 1/20,000 from WT

Recall bracelet 1/3,000 from RTZ

Recall helmet from ZT (Droprate is pretty decent)

Recall necklace from WG (Same as helmet)

After the drop update:

Everything remains the same except recall bracelet is changed to some random mobs at an extremely rare rate.. Any particular reason!?

 

[Babyhack]

Any particular reason!?

Yes I wanted players that are none boss hunters to have a chance to get a super rare item
Not everyone gets a chance to boss hunt as the stronger guilds have control of them

To me i seems fair that normal, none bosses can drop some rare items

BH

 

[Razarus]

Yes I wanted players that are none boss hunters to have a chance to get a super rare item
Not everyone gets a chance to boss hunt as the stronger guilds have control of them

To me i seems fair that normal, none bosses can drop some rare items

BH

I absolutely agree that they should be able to.
It also needs to be likely to happen in this lifetime, Your drop files are great.

the x/xxxx rate is only the first part of drop controlling,
the X killed per day is the second part and the hardest to control, because the X killed per day will vary depending on reported drops.

The second part is the part I think your files are slightly <-- emphasis on slightly, flawed.
There are some items that are just not appearing but from reading various threads the chances of drop are said to be the same (presuming that's the x/xxxx chance)

The X killed per hour/day/week is the major factor is when placing similar level items across varies monsters.

Loving your work though.


On that note - It may be worth checking your x/xxxx drops of the 25k books (static/decoy/frost) in Mino, its getting farmed alot at the moment and a single trip seems to be looting 3-5 of the books at the moment because of the Xkilled per hour in that cave.

 

[ILovePie:D]

Yes I wanted players that are none boss hunters to have a chance to get a super rare item
Not everyone gets a chance to boss hunt as the stronger guilds have control of them

To me i seems fair that normal, none bosses can drop some rare items

BH

The rest drop off Sub bosses though, ANYONE can kill those!