Converting Archers from DC to MC

[Samuel]

I want to urge the fact that this will not be a trivial thing to do, and still is not 100% in plan... And even if it makes the plan, it won't make our next release (that we are currently working on) because we are already working flat out and have no resources left to manage this at the moment.

So the question has been asked about converting Archers to MC... And in all honesty I regret not making Archers us MC to begin with, however, at the time I didn't anticipate a sixth class to be released so soon after the fifth.

So this poll is to gain some field information about what the community think about this...

Bare in mind that the conversion from DC to MC would not effect the damage dealt, an Archer hitting 200 damage with DC, will still hit 200 damage with MC (we would adjust the spells accordingly).

I am interested to hear/see peoples thoughts/votes.

Sam

 

[KingTony]

What would be the point at this time in the server though other than spreading the stats out?

 

[Skyline]

Good idea, but current archers will not be happy, as they are kitted out in DC kit.

 

[reecew]

yeah i was about the say the same thing... wouldnt that be kinda unfair on people who spent all that time and money/gems on making kit to just make it all go to waste :/

 

[DeeKayDee]

From the other thread;

Seems a lot more simple than you lot are making it out to be honest, so far as I can see. DC is more expensive than MC, and the conversion is only going one way, not both.

Simply change it so Archer's use MC instead of DC, leave the items as they are.

People sell their current DC gear and can easily buy/make equivalent or better due to the favourable conversion. This would also mean a slight spike in demand and price of MC gear, and the opposite in DC gear, evening the 2 out abit more.

A few people who will complain because they use the same gear on multiple characters or feel their class isn't benefitting from it. Ie, Wizzies will have to pay a little more for stuff. But it ultimately balances the game a lot more.

 

[reecew]

how would that work tho.. as they wont want just bog standard + dc kit warriors need Acc + aspeed.... sins need acc + agli + slow they should not be forced to sell stuff they spend months making or what ever..

From the other thread;

 

[DeeKayDee]

how would that work tho.. as they wont want just bog standard + dc kit warriors need Acc + aspeed.... sins need acc + agli + slow they should not be forced to sell stuff they spend months making or what ever..

Nobodys forcing anyone to sell - What's suggested is that current DC gear is way overpriced (because of 3 classes hogging them) .. Those that choose to sell and buy the cheaper (for now) MC gear, will benefit .. those who wish to keep the DC gear can do, but naturally - the prices will even out once we see more people wanting to kit for the correct class

 

[Silencer]

Agree with the above post, if I was an Archer, I'd love the chance to sell my added kit for x amount and then buy added mc kit for half the price.

I'd hurt just the same and have an extra 50mil in the bank?


Errr, ok.

 

[DeeKayDee]

Agree with the above post, if I was an Archer, I'd love the chance to sell my added kit for x amount and then buy added mc kit for half the price.

I'd hurt just the same and have an extra 50mil in the bank?


Errr, ok.

Not sure it would be quite that drastic :P, as you'd get alot of people who have the same idea trying to sell and undercutting + people buying alot of MC gear just for the sake of rising prices .. i mean, granted the economy will be a little messy for a few weeks until it settles down, but i'd rather have that + the longevity it brings than the current situation

 

[Silencer]

Not if you act fast and do it now, lot's of Archers made alts as the class was so UP - they could sell their DC kit now, chill on a wiz for a week or two with MC kit - then trade over.

Just my opinion.

I'm usually wrong.

 

[DeeKayDee]

Not if you act fast and do it now, lot's of Archers made alts as the class was so UP - they could sell their DC kit now, chill on a wiz for a week or two with MC kit - then trade over.

Just my opinion.

I'm usually wrong.

Agree, If i had an Archer I'd be cracking on - Mir doesn't wait for nobody

 

[Razarus]

how would that work tho.. as they wont want just bog standard + dc kit warriors need Acc + aspeed.... sins need acc + agli + slow they should not be forced to sell stuff they spend months making or what ever..

any war/sin would be happy to buy any +3 dc items without the aspeed/acc/slow/agil on them.
They can add that themselves.
I'm sure your not suggesting that a dc+3 power ring wont sell because it doesn't have speed?
or a dc+3 death gauntlet wont sell because it doesn't have acc.


from my other post in the other thread.
If 50MC (basic TM kit) does the same damage as 100dc (+3items) then not only will every archer be happy doing the same damage as before in bog standard kit
But they will be able to gem up to actually do the damage an archer should be doing.

as silencer said.
Who wouldn't be happy doing the same damage with extra cash in the bank for the inconvenience of swapping stats..

 

[HokusPokus]

Agree with the above post, if I was an Archer, I'd love the chance to sell my added kit for x amount and then buy added mc kit for half the price.

I'd hurt just the same and have an extra 50mil in the bank?


Errr, ok.

This... Not to mention the expected hike in MC gear to follow .. There is more to this change than meets the eye! Why not make archers SC ?You can still adjust damage accordingly

 

[Razarus]

Not sure it would be quite that drastic :P, as you'd get alot of people who have the same idea trying to sell and undercutting + people buying alot of MC gear just for the sake of rising prices .. i mean, granted the economy will be a little messy for a few weeks until it settles down, but i'd rather have that + the longevity it brings than the current situation

I don't think the economy would change at all unless the archers did get the balance/buff they need to go along with the change in stat. There are no more than 10 decently kitted archers out there. Some of them would just trade in guild anyway the only thing you would see an influx on the TM is PowerRings lol

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This... Not to mention the expected hike in MC gear to follow .. There is more to this change than meets the eye! Why not make archers SC ?You can still adjust damage accordingly

because the monk is SC...

 

[Darthvader1]

If you said at the beginning of the server there are going to be six classes, then asked what primary stats they should use, I don’t think you would get many people disagreeing with Warrior/Sin – DC; Monk/Tao – SC and Wiz/Archer – MC. Therefore surely the answer has to be yes looking at the bigger picture?

The discussions are now being drawn into a level of specific items and added stats etc. understandably as people have invested time/money into them but shouldn’t come into it at this point, in my opinion. If after it is decided for the good of the server to convert Archers, then a plan needs to be put into place which doesn't adversely effect users. For info I don’t play an Archer.

 

[KingTony]

Would like to see sam come up with a list of pros/cons for this change.

 

[Skyline]

There would be more than a "slight spike" in the price of MC items.

Everyone trying to buy the items at once would drive the price up quite highly... yes in time the prices would drop again and settle down, but people won't want to lose some power whilst waiting for the prices to even out a bit.

Lets say current market is:
VioletRing - 100k
PowerRing - 500k

All these archers would go out trying to sell their PowerRings, causing a bit of a flood and prices going lower for quick sale (After all, they need a quick sale to be able to buy new kit).

Now, they've all managed to sell their PowerRings and want to buy VioletRings - All the cheap ones have been sold, so they now enter a bidding war with another Archer, this could eventually drive the prices of these items up to above what PowerRings sold for.

It's a good idea and it's needed... But it needs to be done right so would be nice to see what plan you have, other than just simple change of DC to MC.

 

[CraiG^]

Great idea, if there are going to be six classes then it makes sense have 2 using each stat, may even re-balance the economoy with dc/mc/sc items.

And for the archers who currently have DC items, like people have previously said, sell them all make more cash, buy mc gear.

Unless the economy for all added dc items suddenly drops because of all the people selling ^^

 

[DeeKayDee]

Lets say current market is:
VioletRing - 100k
PowerRing - 500k

Would you not say the current market is broken by this though ? Not changing it, and then adding another class we will be no better off

 

[Skyline]

Would you not say the current market is broken by this though ? Not changing it, and then adding another class we will be no better off

Like I say, it's a good idea and it's needed... Just needs to be done right.