All about money, dedi, home server

[turboshandy]

Re: Re-development and new team

Rather than the mods of lomcn banging on about mir community this and mir community that maybe you should concentrate on stopping people like rage advertising here,

you want LOMCN to stay a giving community?.. then sort it out.

 

[Demonic]

Re: Re-development and new team

I can understand when its a home setup why people ask for donations, but if ur setting up a dedi for a server then you should support it yourself and not expect your players 2.

But home servers are ok for donations as most of it goes on the upkeep of your server and the parts needed at anytime. Thats why hardware donations are best cause u know where its going.

Actually its the other way around to be honest, A Dedicated Server requires a monthly payment otherwise it goes offline where as a home server does not - why would you need to keep buying stuff all the time for home use??

My question is why do people HAVE to get a dedicated at the start? If we can Hold 75 People (tested and proven) on a 256K Upload and the numbers at a record all time low for Private Servers of this type - then personally I really do not see any reason for any form of Donations. Was Private Servers not made to get rid of the Burden of Payments? Are we now emulating the Chinese who charge for everything?

 

[Far]

Re: Re-development and new team

i think the reason ppl get dedicated is two reasons mainly.

1. they have 1 computer, so cant keep it on 24/7 and need to use it for other things (+some ppl live with their parents and use their pc for it)
2. unless you have a good speed, you cant easily run a server and play on it yourself.

id go for a cheap dedi at first, low b/w and cost if i were planning to keep a server up.

and donations are needed. i dont know what this squabble is all about. ppl spend time making the server, keeping it running, and hosting it. they shld b allowed to ask for donations.

what is wrong, is when ppl want to make a server just for a quick profit. those are the type of servers which shld be harrassed. not ones which simply ask for donations to keep it running.

 

[MasterQ]

Re: Re-development and new team

Reason why i went straight into dedicated server is because i didnt have a spare PC + I couldnt keep this PC on 24/7.

 

[Skibadee]

Re: Re-development and new team

Actually its the other way around to be honest, A Dedicated Server requires a monthly payment otherwise it goes offline where as a home server does not - why would you need to keep buying stuff all the time for home use??

My question is why do people HAVE to get a dedicated at the start? If we can Hold 75 People (tested and proven) on a 256K Upload and the numbers at a record all time low for Private Servers of this type - then personally I really do not see any reason for any form of Donations. Was Private Servers not made to get rid of the Burden of Payments? Are we now emulating the Chinese who charge for everything?

Im sorry but when i ran a server from a HOME pc it cost me a fortune in electric. It was so noisy when the computer was left on for 2/3/4/5/6/7/ + days str8.

Running from a Home PC isnt always easy, or cheap.

 

[Demonic]

Re: Re-development and new team

Im sorry but when i ran a server from a HOME pc it cost me a fortune in electric. It was so noisy when the computer was left on for 2/3/4/5/6/7/ + days str8.

Running from a Home PC isnt always easy, or cheap.

Not True, I have a Dell GX620 here which is Whisper Quiet - with the monitor off, it draws hardly any electricy and if Left on with Monitor for a year solid 24/7, then it would add about £18-£20 extra if your lucky a Year on the Bill.

The Only Downside to running it from home is you cannot use your Connection for Torrents etc as it will lag the server.

We are all off Topic though now - if you wish to discuss running a server from home, etc, then feel free to make a new thread.

 

[Kaori]

I have split this thread as we were off topic for a while already...

imo...

Buying a new/used server + second connection + electricity is still cheaper than paying dedi for a year. Most connections are pretty fast these days... at least 256k up.

 

[daneo1989]

so your saying no'one should be able to donate to keep server online well that suck's i donated to RND will never happen again as he wiped not long after. if people take time and build there server then buy a dedi for it. (without home hosting) why shouldnt they be able to make a donation area? theres no harm in asking. if people dont then there's no worry's you try to keep the server online as long as you can if you can afford it.


/ancient

 

[mapadale]

People who run from a dedi shouldn't be asking for donations full stop, your choice to put it onto a dedi so you should foot the bill for it. When you go for dedi you know full well that your going to need your players to keep you going.

As for home servers, all this ive only got 1 connection, i can only leave it on for a certain amount of time during the day. Then you really shouldn't be thinking about making a server, cause you can't sustain it yourself so why should others.

All this ive only got one connection at home.

My server will be run a 20MB dedicated line which is costing me far less to run than it would on a dedi, i have an upload speed of 1.2kbps - 2.4kbps more than enough to run a server. I also have a second line that comes in thats only about 2mb, but paying for both connections still works out a lot cheaper than it does to run a dedi.

As for using to much lecky, as its been pointed out by Demonic. You will be lucky if your lecky bill is more than £40 extra over the year and i know this as i used to run home based web server on a proliant server. That is a beast of a server, but i didn't really notice much diffrence in my bills.

So why people goto dedi's baffle me as there isn't the player base anymore to keep these type of servers running.

 

[Demonic]

The way I would look at it would be as follows:

You can get a half decent desktop which does not require top of the range CPU / Graphics Card as it will only be used as a server, once running - it does not even need a Screen. A Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz or an Athlon XP as long as it had at least 1 GIG ram would do - many of these can be found on E-Bay @ £50. The machines I have found to be Quiet and does the job seems to be Dell GX260 for example (or any dell range, they all seem whisper quite to me)

Initially you would run the server from your Existing Broadband connection and depending on the numbers playing, the server should not lag, not make much noise or steal too much of your bandwidth. If the server then picks up to a good number, you can buy a ADSL line (if you can get this in your area) for the lowest price possible, does not matter about Caps as you will not be using that much per month.

Further to this, when you hit 150+ Playing, then I would suggest a Dedicated for the Bandwidth - remembering that the main number is Upload. In regards to Donations (as this subject is be battered to death at the moment):

If people donate with the upkeep of the server as they see fit, then this is up to them and also up to the host to what they spend it on, whilst running it server uses up Bandwidth, Electricity and so forth, it was the Host's Choice to run a server in the first place and should have taken this into account. I would suggest the host have enough money to pay for at least 3 Months Dedicated and maybe already getting Donations before moving forward to committing to Dedicated in the first place - this is one of the reasons Servers keeps going down / Loosing Database's etc.

My Last point I guess is the purpose of Private Server Files - this is a Hobby to run a server for your mates or you feel you have a lot to give in regards allowing complete strangers play your own Server. In order to keep pushing the Scene forward requires some giving as well as Taking. If everybody stops doing this (which it has - no sign of any V5 Server files on this site is there), then it will slowly go down hill much like Woool for example where even though there is only one server online (of sorts), it has Zero Users online 24 hours a day,.

 

[Skibadee]

Further to this, when you hit 150+ Playing, then I would suggest a Dedicated for the Bandwidth - remembering that the main number is Upload. In regards to Donations (as this subject is be battered to death at the moment):
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LOL 150+ playing on Mir3 server? pffffffffffffffffffffff u live in a dream world lol

 

[Kasabian]

your all missing the point. people are not using donations to keep the server alive. people are selling items, it is no longer a simple reward system, super stat items are purposfully made for people who want to buy. yes buy, not donate.

say a server cost £50 a month to run. the average "super" set costs £25 and an extra £10 for the weapon. now, looking at Rnd for example, 5+ people would spend £20-£35 month on items. this is already £100+, paying for 4 months of dedi use.

why then, do people insist of having monthly donations to keep the server up, when they already have 2-4months worth. imo, mir p servers have become just like the chinese version. its free to play, but we now have the "premium market" seen in so many other games, and proven to ruin many games.

/unforgiven

 

[mapadale]

your all missing the point. people are not using donations to keep the server alive. people are selling items, it is no longer a simple reward system, super stat items are purposfully made for people who want to buy. yes buy, not donate.

say a server cost £50 a month to run. the average "super" set costs £25 and an extra £10 for the weapon. now, looking at Rnd for example, 5+ people would spend £20-£35 month on items. this is already £100+, paying for 4 months of dedi use.

why then, do people insist of having monthly donations to keep the server up, when they already have 2-4months worth. imo, mir p servers have become just like the chinese version. its free to play, but we now have the "premium market" seen in so many other games, and proven to ruin many games.

/unforgiven

This is wrong and its wrong the fact that people are advertising there servers here with that information.

And yes you are selling stuff, not actually donating - but buying stuff to try and be better than the next idiot.

And sorry to say, but this is classed as fraud.

 

[daneo1989]

This is wrong and its wrong the fact that people are advertising there servers here with that information.

And yes you are selling stuff, not actually donating - but buying stuff to try and be better than the next idiot.

And sorry to say, but this is classed as fraud.

right you might say it's fraud but's people's own choise to donate. put urself in Rage's shoe's if you owned RND and getting all these donations you wouldnt be here right now slagging your self would you. youd be saying load of ****e to keep your self happy with the nice income what he makes off people. if the prize's was like Exp Stones or summat or upgrade gems then fab but no he sells the full wack

/ancient

 

[seifer997]

the truth is mir3 private servers hv become a buisness, only diff wiv RNDPro was tht Rage neva made the server wht it is, and if ne1 rembers bk wen RNDPro first started it was Lyncus who made it, then rage got given the files and it became a big money making buisness for him, not much really changed wen the files got given 2 Rage apart from quite afew wipes, now rage has sold the given server files and is trying 2 make his own, which i very much doubt he'll be doing much work as all i rember was tht he didnt even know how 2 set the server files up wen he first got them, let alone make his own,

 

[Kasabian]

The main issue here is that if Kaori has banned one IP for scaming, then she should ban RAGE's. RAGE has admitted to having more than one server, and i know that he had 4 versions of RND, each wiped and each asking for new sets of donations. I also know that RAGE isn't capable of managing the "donations", as people are not receiveing there items and integrals which he has promised.

So quite frankly, RAGE is a scammer. RND may have been sucessful, but in the end RAGE has given too many false promises, sold FREE files which has has edited in no real way and scammed people out of their money.

IMo, Kaori should ban a new RND from advertising here, but in the end, its up to her.

/unforgiven

 

[mapadale]

The main issue here is that if Kaori has banned one IP for scaming, then she should ban RAGE's. RAGE has admitted to having more than one server, and i know that he had 4 versions of RND, each wiped and each asking for new sets of donations. I also know that RAGE isn't capable of managing the "donations", as people are not receiveing there items and integrals which he has promised.

So quite frankly, RAGE is a scammer. RND may have been sucessful, but in the end RAGE has given too many false promises, sold FREE files which has has edited in no real way and scammed people out of their money.

IMo, Kaori should ban a new RND from advertising here, but in the end, its up to her.

/unforgiven

Not only that Lyncus is involved with it, so that just says it all really.

 

[Nightrider]

im sorry but no Lyncus wasn't part of RND =/ RND was founded by Rage,Vogon(Beard) and Prai about 7 years ago under a diffrent name, yes i've known them all about that long so before you say Lyncus was what made RND, he wasn't. soon as the woool files came about, me and Beard started on them, got bored ect and quit then RND went from 1.4(somthing force) - RNV 1.4(Rage & Vogon) then RND - to what u guys think is Lyncus files.
-Dan

 

[Vagrant]

LOL 150+ playing on Mir3 server? pffffffffffffffffffffff u live in a dream world lol

i think you didnt watch zentaur user count i remember it close to Mirrevenge (when it had 130+ player count) and P69(130+ player count) so really if you know how to make a server (not too hight not too low ) and stats not to be uber, to try NOT overpower different classes you will get 150+ on a mir3 server

 

[Demonic]

LOL 150+ playing on Mir3 server? pffffffffffffffffffffff u live in a dream world lol

If someone put online a V5.32 Version (CruelDragon) with all the new crap in there, are you saying there would only be like 10 people playing?? You maybe right in that only 20 people populate servers these days - I have no idea how popular Mir is any longer...