Regarding American Law and Michael Jackson several of the jurors have said that in fact they think hes guilty of molesting kids but that the prosecution didnt do a good enough job of proving it in that particular case. Therefore in that case would it not have been better to do a retrial rather than let someone off they think have molested with children? One juror said they went against the kid because the mother clicked her fingers at them in court. In my opinion this is a stupid reason to go against someone in a case like this. Another thing to be honest he was charged with all them counts at the very least you would have thought he would have been questioned in court. Again that would have been interesting to see what he actually had to say.
ne0sbabe said:
That's called going by the evidence, being impartial to ones thoughts
It's called double jepordy you should look it up and it also makes no sense that they should try him again anyway, good job prosecution but it wasn't enough to convince, however lucky for you we have decided to give you another shot at it!
Seriously, are you making this up? The mother was erratic and the kid kept changing his story that's why they discredited him minus the mother part. MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK IT UP.
That, was up to him and his attorney, of which they declined, which, by the way you phrased that sentence, sounded like your not up on the procedures. Do you honestly think if the prosecution had a chance to question him they would not?
You don't know when to step down do you Urban, I gave up (quite gracefully I shall add), in submission to your superiorly structered argument, but do get over yourself. A good man knows when to walk away. I wonder if the reason behind the hatred of America in the world is more to do with the ego/patriosm of the people, than the position of its current economy and ignorance. Your Govt is young, it will learn, it will change (or so I keep telling myself in the hope for the future).
The case I did manage to find, I openly admitted to not reading fully... not once stating it was a basis for precedent (even though one of your Judges did). I think its quite shameful for you to attack on a front I have already submitted as being less than acceptable. Having better resources and going to bed, I admit I probably could have bothered to look through your law more thorougly, but I guess you have no idea just how difficult and tedious law reports can be.
Take this as a Google fact, your own Judges admit to your system being corrupt, and bad precedents created. But I doubt you are capable of that, you lack the fibre nessacery to accept anything that could possibly be wrong with anything left of the Atlantic, whereas us islanders are more than aware of our own problems and take a slow and approachable attitude to solving them. I guess this comes with not being nationalised from birth, unlike with many countries... your own being particulary apt at this.
The principle reason I think the American legal system is currently there is for corperations and government against the people. I never pretended to give any authority on your founding fathers and constitution, and resent the implication as I would not waste my time on something like that at this point in my personal development. I never even attempted to tie anything like morality and religion with each other, I was merely suggesting a way in which you could research your own systems foundation. - Something I'd be surprised if they didn't teach you.
/Leo
The case I did manage to find, I openly admitted to not reading fully... not once stating it was a basis for precedent (even though one of your Judges did). I think its quite shameful for you to attack on a front I have already submitted as being less than acceptable. Having better resources and going to bed, I admit I probably could have bothered to look through your law more thorougly, but I guess you have no idea just how difficult and tedious law reports can be.
Take this as a Google fact, your own Judges admit to your system being corrupt, and bad precedents created. But I doubt you are capable of that, you lack the fibre nessacery to accept anything that could possibly be wrong with anything left of the Atlantic, whereas us islanders are more than aware of our own problems and take a slow and approachable attitude to solving them. I guess this comes with not being nationalised from birth, unlike with many countries... your own being particulary apt at this.
The principle reason I think the American legal system is currently there is for corperations and government against the people. I never pretended to give any authority on your founding fathers and constitution, and resent the implication as I would not waste my time on something like that at this point in my personal development. I never even attempted to tie anything like morality and religion with each other, I was merely suggesting a way in which you could research your own systems foundation. - Something I'd be surprised if they didn't teach you.
/Leo
Nope im not making it up what the juror said about the mother clicking her fingers. We do have papers over here also. Jurors gave interviews to our papers. Now if a juror thinks a person has molested someone...surely more evidence etc shoould be sought. And in this country no way would Jackson have not been put on the stand to answer questions.
LeoCrasher said:
I don't retreat, you should know this by now.
Sounds like more bull**** tbh.
ne0sbabe said:
I would love to see links where your getting your information, as it is quite incorrect.
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urbanfox said:
Urban its from an exclusive interview in one of our papers. Now this juror was there ...unlike you so no disrespect what he says takes more preceent with me than someone who wasnt there .
If you meant the part about being put on the stand we put all cases like that on the stand if they plead not guilty.
Evidentally, not a very admirable trait imho.urbanfox said:
Well it would wouldn't it... but I assure you we are very slow. Its been 70odd years and we still trying to sort Northern Ireland out :P (btw they have a lower murder rate than America even though they're in constant political and religous termoil). I suppose we could try nuking them, but we don't have anything to prooveurbanfox said:
.www.google.com 'mother jury fingers jackson trial' - not so exclusive but prooves Ne0ns point.urbanfox said:
/Leo
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Ok, lets wrap this up with some stuff.
In california it is illegal to shoot an animal from a moving vehicle (exception for whales)
Obviously the woman who sued McDonalds becuase she is stupid.
Now law is my area, and im am personally going to fence sit, Permenantly. lets reveiw some facts.
1. America is more or less a Sue happy nation, for every British person that laughs and finds this amusing and whatnot. Pay attention to TV adverts, if u channel hop, i bet you would see at least 3 adverts for "Injury lawyers" The UK is jumping on the "Sue" bandwagon. This has resulted in schools banning traditional playtime games in Primary school like Tag, Bulldog and so on, for fear of being sued by parents looking to pocker Some cash. This is stupid, when you sue someone for injury, the point is to claim back money you have lost as a result.
Explain, when a child falls in school, how much money did the child lose? Unless he/she is ebing exploited by her parents in a sweat shop making footballs, NONE.
Actual woute from TV "i was fitting a security alarm system and was given the wrong type of ladder...blah blah" well done dumbass, if u used the wrong type of ladder, YOUR FAULT.
2. ASBO's or "Anti-Social Behavior Orders" A teenager who subjected a coloured family to racial hassarsment, beat up their kids, put a fire-word thoguh their letter box, and was an out and out *******. Heres what his ASBO outlines:
1. He is not allowed to make racist remarks, harras anyone, or buy fireworks.
Thats it, but surely Racism, harrasment, and buying fireworks underage is alreadys oemthign he shouldnt be doing, so the ASBO attained "**** All"
The new "Orange Jump Suit Scheme" Yeah theyre going to make offenders wear Jup suits and clean the streets, apparently the jumpsuits draw attention to them, and make them feel "Ashamed"
Good Job Government, im sure most people will realise that after about a month, Orange Jump Suits with numbers or indeed your name on them will be all the rage in the fashion industry.
American Idioth
United States v. Paul, 110 F.3d 869 (2nd Cir. 1997) - The Defendant was playing poker in a bar, and a guy asked to borrow $100, when the defendant refused, the guy pulled out a gun and shot at his legs, twice. Both shots missed, and the defendant seized the gun, fire the remaining shots into the floor, then threw the gun away.
He was charged under a law that states that ex-cons arent allowed to posses a firearm... and convicted. But thankfully the conviction was later overturned.
United States v. Saccoccia, 18 F.3d 795 (9th Cir. 1994) - The defendant was sentenced to 660 years in prison for money laundering and a string of offences. As soon as he was convicted, they dragged him from Rhode Island to California to charge him for basically the same offences as the first trial. Obviously an awesome waste of American time and money. Basically becase the prosecutor wanted to look good.
Im angry now and cant be bothered posting anything else, bt as stupidity goes, dont start moking America, cos this country is next in line!
In california it is illegal to shoot an animal from a moving vehicle (exception for whales)
Obviously the woman who sued McDonalds becuase she is stupid.
Now law is my area, and im am personally going to fence sit, Permenantly. lets reveiw some facts.
1. America is more or less a Sue happy nation, for every British person that laughs and finds this amusing and whatnot. Pay attention to TV adverts, if u channel hop, i bet you would see at least 3 adverts for "Injury lawyers" The UK is jumping on the "Sue" bandwagon. This has resulted in schools banning traditional playtime games in Primary school like Tag, Bulldog and so on, for fear of being sued by parents looking to pocker Some cash. This is stupid, when you sue someone for injury, the point is to claim back money you have lost as a result.
Explain, when a child falls in school, how much money did the child lose? Unless he/she is ebing exploited by her parents in a sweat shop making footballs, NONE.
Actual woute from TV "i was fitting a security alarm system and was given the wrong type of ladder...blah blah" well done dumbass, if u used the wrong type of ladder, YOUR FAULT.
2. ASBO's or "Anti-Social Behavior Orders" A teenager who subjected a coloured family to racial hassarsment, beat up their kids, put a fire-word thoguh their letter box, and was an out and out *******. Heres what his ASBO outlines:
1. He is not allowed to make racist remarks, harras anyone, or buy fireworks.
Thats it, but surely Racism, harrasment, and buying fireworks underage is alreadys oemthign he shouldnt be doing, so the ASBO attained "**** All"
The new "Orange Jump Suit Scheme" Yeah theyre going to make offenders wear Jup suits and clean the streets, apparently the jumpsuits draw attention to them, and make them feel "Ashamed"
Good Job Government, im sure most people will realise that after about a month, Orange Jump Suits with numbers or indeed your name on them will be all the rage in the fashion industry.
American Idioth
United States v. Paul, 110 F.3d 869 (2nd Cir. 1997) - The Defendant was playing poker in a bar, and a guy asked to borrow $100, when the defendant refused, the guy pulled out a gun and shot at his legs, twice. Both shots missed, and the defendant seized the gun, fire the remaining shots into the floor, then threw the gun away.
He was charged under a law that states that ex-cons arent allowed to posses a firearm... and convicted. But thankfully the conviction was later overturned.
United States v. Saccoccia, 18 F.3d 795 (9th Cir. 1994) - The defendant was sentenced to 660 years in prison for money laundering and a string of offences. As soon as he was convicted, they dragged him from Rhode Island to California to charge him for basically the same offences as the first trial. Obviously an awesome waste of American time and money. Basically becase the prosecutor wanted to look good.
Im angry now and cant be bothered posting anything else, bt as stupidity goes, dont start moking America, cos this country is next in line!
urbanfox said:
How would you know that it is incorrect? It could of happened. You quote things asthough you know every single thing that happens in America, even to court rooms. I don't know if it is tru or not but you cannot say that it is certainly incorrect.
The Law is a gas:
"A Cornish student is planning an unusual crime spree across America. Richard Smith from Portreath will travel from state to state breaking 44 of the most obscure local laws. The 23-year-old will risk jail for:
Falling asleep in a cheese factory in South Dakota.
Going whale hunting in land-locked Utah
Saying "Oh Boy," in Jonesboro, Georgia.
He came up with the idea after reading that in Florida it is illegal for widows to go parachuting on a Sunday.
"Who knows, there might be actually be a good reason for the laws' existence," says Richard, who set off in July. "I am quite willing to find out""
:lol:
"A Cornish student is planning an unusual crime spree across America. Richard Smith from Portreath will travel from state to state breaking 44 of the most obscure local laws. The 23-year-old will risk jail for:
Falling asleep in a cheese factory in South Dakota.
Going whale hunting in land-locked Utah
Saying "Oh Boy," in Jonesboro, Georgia.
He came up with the idea after reading that in Florida it is illegal for widows to go parachuting on a Sunday.
"Who knows, there might be actually be a good reason for the laws' existence," says Richard, who set off in July. "I am quite willing to find out""
:lol:
ne0sbabe said:
"Jurors said they were put off by the accuser’s mother, who tended to stare at them and snapped her fingers at them during her testimony."
Ummm... there's a rather large difference than totally throwing out the kid's testimony, is it not?
Whatever the reason, must increase the popularity of juror service ^^, dispite the harm it does to the fairness of the decision.
/Leo
/Leo
ne0sbabe said:
Oh no, let's take a step back...
You said that the juror DISCREDITED the son BECAUSE of the mother.
UMMM NO. The juror said he/she was PUT OFF by the mother's guestures, THEY DIDN'T SAY THAT WAS THE REASON FOR DISCREDITING THE SON.
Which means, that it never should have got brought up in the first place.
Now, let's move on to whatever other crazy things you have to say...
Influence the verdict by selling it to the media? No. You think the media only wants to buy court stories with certain outcomes? No.
LeoCrasher said:
No, it does not, not at all. Being away from friends and family for months and months is not 'fun' and it is not popular in the least.
And no, it doesn't hurt the decision at all, and instead brings out a more fair outcome, maybe some other countries should take a hint
Oh comeon, the money you people make from all the interviews and that is bound to be a benefit in major cases.urbanfox said:No, it does not, not at all. Being away from friends and family for months and months is not 'fun' and it is not popular in the least.
And no, it doesn't hurt the decision at all, and instead brings out a more fair outcome, maybe some other countries should take a hint
Yes, I take the hint. Lets give our media access to the Jury like in America. Lets corrupt our jurors, and let them be bribed so the media gets the decision which sells the most of their product. I wholely understand that justice needs to 'been seen to be done', but be seen funnily enough doesn't include being bought, sold and influenced.
I think your Jurors decisions in popular cases are comparable to eBay. The highest bidder wins.
/Leo
That's a crackup, jurors on a regular basis being bought off lol.
Do you know why we recieve the majority of criticism? Because people are jealous.
Do you see any threads on North Korean law revision? No, because no one cares.
Everyone tries to attack what they can't have or want to be.
Tis a shame you people spend so much of your time attacking something so far away.
Do you know why we recieve the majority of criticism? Because people are jealous.
Do you see any threads on North Korean law revision? No, because no one cares.
Everyone tries to attack what they can't have or want to be.
Tis a shame you people spend so much of your time attacking something so far away.
I dont think to be honest that many British people are jealous of America. Why should we be jealous you have nothing especially that we want only the warm weather maybe. Blair is bad enough but Bush? No thanks.
If you mean we are jealous of your legal system after Mj Oj. and others..dont think so!
If you mean we are jealous of your legal system after Mj Oj. and others..dont think so!
ne0sbabe said:
Of course so.
Take entertainment for example...
Look at our own film forum, all the great movies are... gasp... American!
Look at the gaming industry, the world's most popular MMO... gasp! American!
The world's most popular FPS's and online games... gasp! American!
The best TV shows... GASP! American.
The world's richest people... GASP! American!
The worlds most popular O/S and CPU... GASP! American!
Wouldn't a trade blockade just suck?