anyway to stop this DLL going around allowing speed cheats on heroes?

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I think that's a poor attitude towards running a server. "If its broken just leave it broken and use something else". We should be striving to fix issues not ignore them, especially heroes files, a source that's still very active.

I also think anyone using these types of cheats should just be outright banned from lomcn. Is it really something we want to encourage that's ok? And does anyone actually want these people playing on any of our servers?
We have actually been discussing this, as it's something I thin kwe should start to enforce again.

But at the same time it's hard for us to ban someone just because a server owner said they cheat. We'd need some sort of proof (Skepta and co are obvious cheats though)
 

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We have actually been discussing this, as it's something I thin kwe should start to enforce again.

But at the same time it's hard for us to ban someone just because a server owner said they cheat. We'd need some sort of proof (Skepta and co are obvious cheats though)

Isn't the only problem with it, some hide behind different names it'd have to be IP checks to find who they are on here, then you have the problem of people living together but that hasn't stopped people being banned in the past, just more reason not to do it or you'll upset whoever else uses lomcn in the household.
 

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Isn't the only problem with it, some hide behind different names it'd have to be IP checks to find who they are on here, then you have the problem of people living together but that hasn't stopped people being banned in the past, just more reason not to do it or you'll upset whoever else uses lomcn in the household.

I don't think we need to go to the extent of IP banning on lomcn.

Just throwing out a suggestion, but if actual proof was supplied that this person was cheating, then simply delete the lomcn account. No messing around, no 7 day bans, these people know cheating isn't allowed.

In the event that it's a shared account, that's their issue. They shouldn't have been cheating or shared it with cheaters in the first place.

The IP of the account holder should be given to trusted server owners, so that they can choose to ban the IP from their server. And again, people in shared households should take the responsibility that no one in their house should be cheating in the first place.

@Skyline. I'm glad it's something you're looking at, and I'm not saying lomcn should just go on a crazy banning spree - as definite proof should be required before action is taken. But i think just letting them carry on and ruin the servers that we all enjoy shouldn't be tolerated.

Server owners should be supporting each other, and lomcn should be a key part of that support.
 

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We've all seen it before, people get banned than return, yes I know it's not always possible to perm ban by IP due to people having dynamic IP's the same would go for servers also, a ban and a name and shame thread. (closed of course)

Why did the banning of cheaters stop in the first place?
 

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We've all seen it before, people get banned than return, yes I know it's not always possible to perm ban by IP due to people having dynamic IP's the same would go for servers also, a ban and a name and shame thread. (closed of course)

Why did the banning of cheaters stop in the first place?

It didn't stop but server owners do not come to us and say "this person has been cheating on my server and I have IP proof". Without that we have no way or reason.

People like Skepta/Swampduck is a different matter. As Sky said we are currently discussing it.
 

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It would be good to have a known black list that all servers could draw from...

The issue would be how do servers enforce the black list.

Sam
 

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It would be good to have a known black list that all servers could draw from...

The issue would be how do servers enforce the black list.

Sam

there is loads of people with access to the cheats, i know alot of them. I will not publicly release names tho as just seems abit of a dick move. I only released skepta's name as hes known by whole community as a cheater :P
 
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there is loads of people with access to the cheats, i know alot of them. I will not publicly release names tho as just seems about of a dick move. I only released skepta's name as hes known by whole community as a skaggy cheater :P

So you complain about cheaters but because you know some of these other cheaters you don't want to name and shame them to stop them from ruining other servers?
 

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Sad truth of it all is, there is a large portion of the mir community who cheat.

Banning their accounts on lomcn means nothing.
Banning accounts has always been counter productive, imho its better for the public to know who the cheaters are then to force them to create new accounts under new alias's and go under the radar.
 

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Or maybe some egghead can design some sort of file which, after u install the game lets the server owner alter so if ur cheating , u can get banned on that specific figure, like a digital signature ..and u couldnt play it otherwise.
 

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So you complain about cheaters but because you know some of these other cheaters you don't want to name and shame them to stop them from ruining other servers?

The thing is alot of people cheat, it would be unfair to name the ones I do know of and let others get away with it... Name and shame wouldnt help solve anything either.
 

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The problem is there will always be cheats, the people that make these cheats only do it for popular servers, there are several cheats for chronicles and Arcadia that i know of and from when i spoke to one of the creators the other day he plans to update it with every patch that each server makes, there are 100s of people using them(not exaggerating i know this for a fact from the amount of downloads just one of several cheats have) that are not getting detected, i log on occasionally to chronicles on my archer to test the new updates and they all still work very affectively...movement speed (u d/c when ingame clock goes past certain amount) attack speed, auto run, no flinch, auto rev....loads of game breaking improvements to levelling, killing bosses etc...you have to just live with it
 

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Or just encourage players to use bandicam or similar software, I doubt ppl will have the balls to cheat if they lvl 40 or more (talking about chronicles) knowing some1 can just walk in on them and it's over (unless they wanna quit and dont know how lol), takes too much time to lvl and get decent kit just to be banned . Noobs dont rly affect the gameplay if they cheat.
 

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Or just encourage players to use bandicam or similar software, I doubt ppl will have the balls to cheat if they lvl 40 or more (talking about chronicles) knowing some1 can just walk in on them and it's over (unless they wanna quit and dont know how lol), takes too much time to lvl and get decent kit just to be banned . Noobs dont rly affect the gameplay if they cheat.

you say tht but a noob in a g axe at 200x attack will kill a boss quicker then any1 with good kit.
 

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Just because he likes to copy the wadestreet guild name, doesnt meen its any of us.... I for one dont cheat and know for a fact any of the original people from wade dont either, hes just running around getting banned from every hereos files dragging that name down with him and I for one have nothing to do with it.
 

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The thing is alot of people cheat, it would be unfair to name the ones I do know of and let others get away with it... Name and shame wouldnt help solve anything either.

Should happily name and shame a cheater imo.
 

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how hard would it be to add a recorder to the files so nobody can say o i dont have fraps i cant record anything. or even put one in to all the server files?

sam u have the best list of know cheaters from them doing it on chronicles why dont you start this black list of known names and ips and keep it between admins and trusted server owners. if some one wants to check it they can give an admin a ip they have flagged for cheating then a simple search for it can be done on the list. yes people will change there ip's. but any one with it even on there pc will be shitting it after the first ban wave.

it needs all of lomcn not just the admins and server owners but every one to rid mir of these idiots 100% no nonsense get caught once and boom good bye it seems harsh if its first offence but its whats needed.

can something not be put in place to check the exe and the files being used are not tampered with at a login gate ? resulting in a simply kick and the client sending a report about it? and just finding a way to stop them injecting it once the client is open ?
 

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Blacklist wouldn't work, too many programmes to change ip...Mac address and even ways to change hardware id in a matter of minutes

the fraps idea is good but that only means u can deny people using them around others, but the main things people use these cheats for are bosses or levelling
 

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Like I say the blacklist sounds ideal, but, enforcing such a list in near impossible...

As long as you have people wanting to play your server then you will have people attempting to find loop holes/cheats.

It is a constant battle, I discovered this on Chronicles, I would find one cheat, figure out how to block it, and a couple of days later a new one would pop up.

Sam