Apex/Whiners you have won.

[thereds77]

I've not once seen apex at any of the bosses I do regularly not even ZT. I've seen curse10/DD at both the bosses I camp most of the time. These are also the two guilds with the most books/rare gear.
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I saw 1 of them killing EvilMir, think it was Ne(m)o or something like that.

Sorry Neo!

 

[Mystickiller]

Do **** bosses then.

By definition that would be just about every boss ingame atm.

 

[Kinneas]

By definition that would be just about every boss ingame atm.

Didn't realise you'd cleared Orcs, Lostship, Jingchon etc and were in a position to make that claim.

Grats!

 

[thebigcheese]

So the majority of the server won? Isn't that usually a good thing, because it means more people stay playing?

It wasn't the majority, it was the vocal minority. Personally speaking over my holidays I geeked it up and did insane boss hunting for 2 weeks (you have to geek a new server :P), now I go back to work and within 2 days I see people getting better drops than I ever had and I bet they weren't even on half of my daily play time (this can always happen anyway, but the sheer volume who has shows its flawed). It's basically saying to the people who put in tonnes of time and effort that there was no point in doing so. People complaining about spells even though they've already been buffed in drops, exactly what spells are the expecting? to get things like lionroar/deva/ff/mirror etcetc easily? Those spells should never be easily accessible.

Next thing will be whining about item drops and how instead of corals they are now stuck in drings, and because they are now over level 42 (instead of 40) more powerrings and OSR's should be dropping.

When people are hitting 44 they just gonna whine theres not many 44 armors about and the drops on them will be increased.

A server that makes stupid knee jerk reactions because people are threatening to quit when 90% of them are talking **** is never going to last a long time. Once I heard about the drop changes I thought I might quit but I'm going to wait and see how things go over the weekend. If it carries on like this though I suspect more people will go than otherwise would have.

 

[Mystickiller]

Didn't realise you'd cleared Orcs, Lostship, Jingchon etc and were in a position to make that claim.

Grats!

Show me anyones that cleared orcs or jinchon. Those are not bosses than can really be camped much less cleared. I've done a large majority of lost ship and another place i know drops n1.

I'd honestly try hard to actually get a group for these if i wasn't 90% sure its going to drop complete **** or not even have a drop file.

 

[Kinneas]

Show me anyones that cleared orcs or jinchon. Those are not bosses than can really be camped much less cleared. I've done a large majority of lost ship and another place i know drops n1.

I'd honestly try hard to actually get a group for these if i wasn't 90% sure its going to drop complete **** or not even have a drop file.

I didn't say anyone had, but I think it's a bit odd that people take pride in spending a long time every day grinding bosses that are very easy to kill, whilst ignoring content that is actually a challenge and thinking that makes them so much better than other people who probably have just have better things to do with their time.

 

[Hastelloy]

I think that it's odd that you would blame Apex for a knee jerk reaction a number of whiners and to say that they NEVER hunt bosses is almost laughable. Yes Apex do not camp out at one particular boss for hour after hour but I know for a fact that they regularly kill large numbers of them. Just because you don't see it happen doesn't mean that its true... If Apex camped/dominated every boss and prevented other guilds from hunting there then of course you would get to see them more but this thread would no doubt be a whinging thread about how the GM MUST be helping them and that it's not fair. They say all press is good press so im sure Aldor will be online to post his thanks to your free advertising campaign!

 

[thebigcheese]

I didn't say anyone had, but I think it's a bit odd that people take pride in spending a long time every day grinding bosses that are very easy to kill, whilst ignoring content that is actually a challenge and thinking that makes them so much better than other people who probably have just have better things to do with their time.

It's not about taking pride so much as it is about wasted time, its more like why did we bother putting in any hours if it's just going to be made rediculously easy. Boss hunting these easy bosses, is not so easy when you have to contend with other guilds for them. We were happy to do so even though we knew our realistic prospects were only that of a bene or plat/ruby/dring and our guild would often spend alot more gold doing bosses than we would get out of them.

To hunt these new challenging bosses or w/e you need to have items and you need to have a group. And to get to the point of hunting these bosses should require alot of effort, on most MMO's you are required to start at the bottom of the barrel and work your way up, you can't just hit the level cap and go straight into the proper end game content. On mir because of drops rates its different (very luck based), but by the time I get back after my weeks work I expect to see people 5/6 levels below me dropping my char purely because they have done the same leveling that I already had to do but have vastly enhanced drops in those zones and not put a lick of effort into killing the bosses that should be dropping them.

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I think that it's odd that you would blame Apex for a knee jerk reaction a number of whiners and to say that they NEVER hunt bosses is almost laughable. Yes Apex do not camp out at one particular boss for hour after hour but I know for a fact that they regularly kill large numbers of them. Just because you don't see it happen doesn't mean that its true... If Apex camped/dominated every boss and prevented other guilds from hunting there then of course you would get to see them more but this thread would no doubt be a whinging thread about how the GM MUST be helping them and that it's not fair. They say all press is good press so im sure Aldor will be online to post his thanks to your free advertising campaign!

Apex don't and can't dominate every boss even if they tried, purely down to the fact that most members are terrible (Not saying I'm some good but some of those guys....) Only time I've seen Apex decisively win a fight vs Curse was when it was 16v5 and even then they really struggled to pull it off (2 step lag + FC slow = dead me ()

 

[d1craig]

Err what? Those are bosses that can be done easily with 2-3 people. Orc is something that last time we tried wiped an entire group before we even realized we were in kr.

lmfao before you even realised you where in what you "thought" was the KR...

only bosses i havent been at kill for are EM, OK. and orclord or whatever hes called

 

[Mystickiller]

lmfao before you even realised you where in what you "thought" was the KR...

only bosses i havent been at kill for are EM, OK. and orclord or whatever hes called

Assumptions will get you no where in this world. I'm pretty sure I know how to read the top right corner of my screen.

So you've been present for GFS/HMT/JC/JD/EE/WC/WGeneral/Yims? Mkay.

 

[Kinneas]

It's not about taking pride so much as it is about wasted time, its more like why did we bother putting in any hours if it's just going to be made rediculously easy. Boss hunting these easy bosses, is not so easy when you have to contend with other guilds for them. We were happy to do so even though we knew our realistic prospects were only that of a bene or plat/ruby/dring and our guild would often spend alot more gold doing bosses than we would get out of them.

To hunt these new challenging bosses or w/e you need to have items and you need to have a group. And to get to the point of hunting these bosses should require alot of effort, on most MMO's you are required to start at the bottom of the barrel and work your way up, you can't just hit the level cap and go straight into the proper end game content. On mir because of drops rates its different (very luck based), but by the time I get back after my weeks work I expect to see people 5/6 levels below me dropping my char purely because they have done the same leveling that I already had to do but have vastly enhanced drops in those zones and not put a lick of effort into killing the bosses that should be dropping them.

Didn't you (or certainly one of your guild) already say that you kill most of them pretty much uncontested?
It seems to me that you only want the server to go in a direction that suits you. The implication I get from you and your guild members posts is that only good PvPers deserve items. Only people who camp bosses 12 hours a day deserve items. Everyone else can go hang.

Thing is, there are other ways to play the game and there always have been. Some people would rather solo level and don't really want to kill bosses. If you asked them, rather than dismissing all of their feedback as whining and moaning, you would probably find that they don't want slayers, boundless rings and all manner of high level loot chucking at them for playing that way, but it would be nice if they could afford to level and maybe get a few skill books for their class and maybe a lucky item or two along the way.

People really enjoy falling back to the argument that this server should be like Euro. But not just any Euro, the early Euro where nobody had anything and that was apparently brilliant. Problem is, it's not early Euro, content-wise we're beyond Euro and a mix of Mir2 and Mir3, with a lot of "high level" content that nobody gets to do yet. Perhaps you think that's a good thing and that nobody should be touching this content until they've spent 2 years camping ZT (obviously when Curse10 aren't around because nobody could possibly beat them) for those 2 Drings and FlamingSword book that are oh-so-rare. I don't know. Personally that sounds a bit boring to me but what do I know.

As usual after a change I hear a lot of doomsaying (Static Shot rofl), but as far as I can see all that is happening really is that some skill books are dropping more, allowing people to actually play their class. Not a bad thing in my eyes, and usual it probably doesn't spell the beginning of the demise of the server either.

 

[d1craig]

Assumptions will get you no where in this world. I'm pretty sure I know how to read the top right corner of my screen.

So you've been present for GFS/HMT/JC/JD/EE/WC/WGeneral/Yims? Mkay.

well and all them you just quoted lmfao.

so you are going for the proper orc boss not just the collossus? been on hunt to collussus a few times before i realised it was only a bigger sub boss lol

 

[Scampi]

Lots of opinions have been thrown down on this thread, so it's about time i touched on the real problem with this server...

good / bad drops rates, whatever it is doesnt really matter when my @roll's average around 3.

utter bullshit.

please - remove @roll asap so we can go back to rigged gold piles

 

[Kinneas]

Lots of opinions have been thrown down on this thread, so it's about time i touched on the real problem with this server...

good / bad drops rates, whatever it is doesnt really matter when my @roll's average around 3.

utter bullshit.

please - remove @roll asap so we can go back to rigged gold piles

Bring back actual dice!

 

[Scampi]

Didn't you (or certainly one of your guild) already say that you kill most of them pretty much uncontested?

I'm not sure druze / dancea etc turning up and dying 3-7 times each counts as 'contesting' a boss.

:P

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Bring back actual dice!

I was devastated when I went to visit the npc for one, and found an empty room..

Small independent business folding again - I blame David Cameron

 

[thebigcheese]

Didn't you (or certainly one of your guild) already say that you kill most of them pretty much uncontested?
It seems to me that you only want the server to go in a direction that suits you. The implication I get from you and your guild members posts is that only good PvPers deserve items. Only people who camp bosses 12 hours a day deserve items. Everyone else can go hang.

Thing is, there are other ways to play the game and there always have been. Some people would rather solo level and don't really want to kill bosses. If you asked them, rather than dismissing all of their feedback as whining and moaning, you would probably find that they don't want slayers, boundless rings and all manner of high level loot chucking at them for playing that way, but it would be nice if they could afford to level and maybe get a few skill books for their class and maybe a lucky item or two along the way.

People really enjoy falling back to the argument that this server should be like Euro. But not just any Euro, the early Euro where nobody had anything and that was apparently brilliant. Problem is, it's not early Euro, content-wise we're beyond Euro and a mix of Mir2 and Mir3, with a lot of "high level" content that nobody gets to do yet. Perhaps you think that's a good thing and that nobody should be touching this content until they've spent 2 years camping ZT (obviously when Curse10 aren't around because nobody could possibly beat them) for those 2 Drings and FlamingSword book that are oh-so-rare. I don't know. Personally that sounds a bit boring to me but what do I know.

As usual after a change I hear a lot of doomsaying (Static Shot rofl), but as far as I can see all that is happening really is that some skill books are dropping more, allowing people to actually play their class. Not a bad thing in my eyes, and usual it probably doesn't spell the beginning of the demise of the server either.

No one is saying we go uncontested? It would be very boring if we did. No one is saying people shouldn't be making gold whilst being able to level or have access to book drops. People are taking issue with the rate at which they are dropping, the way they have improved the mass drops from mobs is nice, a good source of gold for those who need it. But after the patch a rediculous amount of items have dropped, they could atleast make them drop from subs rather than normal mobs but that isn't the case. I have never said people don't deserve to get items but what is the point of bosses if the same or similar drops are accessible through normal mobs that appear to be dropping at a better rate, if we are catering to people's playstyles then please do tell me why people hunting bosses, gaining no exp and spending alot of money on pots should be worse off than people leveling in both items and exp. Don't even get a nice title if you kill 100DD's which seems unfair .

It's not about it being like euro, it's about it being a supposed low rate which has flipped into a mid-high rate since the patch. Leveling on here was fairly quick but in the 40s you hit a big slowdown (level 44 is 10 times level 41), the current item rate is just silly.

 

[Jicaa]

The sudden amount of items dropping does seem bad from what I've been reading, but I still stick to my opinion that all spells should be accessible once your reach the required level.

1. It would give you a reason to level to different level targets
2. When your missing a 3rd of your spells, its just not worth playing :/
3. Why make a video showing what new spells will be in game if hardly anyone actually gets to use them?

 

[thebigcheese]

The sudden amount of items dropping does seem bad from what I've been reading, but I still stick to my opinion that all spells should be accessible once your reach the required level.

1. It would give you a reason to level to different level targets
2. When your missing a 3rd of your spells, its just not worth playing :/
3. Why make a video showing what new spells will be in game if hardly anyone actually gets to use them?

TBH alot of spells aren't player ready imho, lionroar works on mobs three levels higher than you and I've heard it's supposed to last a long time. Alot of mob levels are bugged (flaming minos are spose to be 48 and I can entrap them at 42), there is a wipe scope for abuse of spells if they are given to the masses without proper testing. A good example of this is TSing with blade avalanche. A warrior can stand 1 space away from the wizzie and spam BA, this provides the same stun as thunderstorm does and the 3x3 area protects the wizard. Also whilst finishing casting BA prevents the warrior from casting spells, he can hit instantly after meaning he can charge TDB/FS before hand, hit with BA then instantly attack.

 

[Scampi]

quite a lot of mir is about being 'outstanding', like being 'that guy' with the only sowg or whatever. (not aimed at kinneas)
books dropping idc about too much, jmaces drings either. i really dont want to see osr / dss tier or above items being common though.

im one of those that have put a lot of time in to bossing & lvling and have a pretty average kit to show for it - but its cool cos i keep plodding along, albeit a real ****ing struggle to keep my pot gold up.

i dont think general mobs should drops this gear apparently it has recently though. imo there should be some serious pain in the arse grind quests which reward jmace / dring tier items. im talking - 30,000 awkward mobs or something pretty linear for people to grind and know exactly what they will get in exchange for a lot of time. if you want the snazzy heaven armour or whatever, you should have to geek and fight for the top bosses - that is my vision of mir, and dont expect others to agree or even see it from my viewpoint.

people need to be kept in caves and following whatever carrot they choose to have in front of them. for me right now it is flamefield. then it will be lvl 45 for lvl 3 ff. that is where my desires ended on euro pretty much, and am hopeful this server is going to offer me what euro should have.

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A good example of this is TSing with blade avalanche. A warrior can stand 1 space away from the wizzie and spam BA, this provides the same stun as thunderstorm does and the 3x3 area protects the wizard. Also whilst finishing casting BA prevents the warrior from casting spells, he can hit instantly after meaning he can charge TDB/FS before hand, hit with BA then instantly attack.

damn now everyone will be doing it h:

 

[thebigcheese]

You'll do anything for pot gold mamp, pot gold is your carrot.

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damn now everyone will be doing it h:

shhh we just tested it for reporting, didn't make lvls off it......