Archer Damage

[Laylas]

Ok so from what iv seen,

Level 26 archer standed shop kit, can kill up to ET/ES in BDD np at all, dmg averaging 50-90 (LOL)

Level 26 sin same kit, could not tank BDD 1f at all, when hits landed, dmg was 25-40 (had no chance)

I suggest it's even lower DMG on a war due to having no kind of skills at such low level.

Tao no idea he never tried.

Wiz probs could manage but no dowt nowhere near as much DMG as Archer.

If archer stays as powerful as it is then it'll ruin the server, archer will lvl so much faster, there dmg is only going to increase as they level, it's going to be a server flooded with 1 class.

Is anything going to done? Maybe 1 of you wants to test yourself how OP archer actually is.

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Archers also get a stupid amount of DC just from equipping there arrows aswell don't forget, think I saw lvl 42 arrows dc0-10 or summin lol... The class is going to be so OP I carnt wait to hear the crys xD

 

[ZeusStar]

you only have to watch some of the streams to see how stupidly hard archers hit lol, they will ruin it if there damage isn't sorted out, they going to be so unbalanced from start to end game.

should really be looked into

 

[daneo1989]

#Laylas
#ZeusStar

Comparing the Archer to other classes is like comparing a Warrior to the Assassin. 2 completely different classes.

From what ive seen of the archer so far is. Slow Attack, High Damage single shot class. there defence should be same as the Wizard.
Assassin Fast Attack speed mid damage mid defence
Warrior Mid Attack speed Mid damage high defence

 

[MrMcD]

wiz does 20-35 dmg with shop kit on Et/ES on 1st

 

[deano13]

Can guarantee people will moan about it being OP and hitting to hard tbh lol

 

[Laylas]

wiz does 20-35 dmg with shop kit on Et/ES on 1st

There you go wiz confirmed.

Sam/Turr/Nemo make yaselfs level 26 with basic shop kit, go kill a cuple of zombies/wt mobs/stone temple/PI mobs/ then outside BDD and see how OP archer dmg is compared to all the rest, archer 50-90s other caster 20-40, Melee no chance at all... Archer is and will dominate from start to finish it's power/stats on items is ridiculous

 

[Hyd]

#Laylas
#ZeusStar

Comparing the Archer to other classes is like comparing a Warrior to the Assassin. 2 completely different classes.

From what ive seen of the archer so far is. Slow Attack, High Damage single shot class. there defence should be same as the Wizard.
Assassin Fast Attack speed mid damage mid defence
Warrior Mid Attack speed Mid damage high defence

Not slow attack at all, a skill boosts this to make the class even more ridiculous.

It's defence is crap yes but damage needs sorting. On level @ 50 an Archer can 1shot a Tao @ 50.

 

[d1craig]

i dont understand how archer can have so much more damage than the other DC classes when they wear basically the same items (especially if they are shop items). unless there bow and arrows have stupidly higher DC than swords and blades. the only other thing is there spells/skills have better multipliers on them than melee.

i am not doubting that you lot are correct, archer is killing **** before sin and warr but didnt wiz and tao always kill stuff before warr?

 

[jaffar91]

after all the hard work these guys have put in these are the daily threads they get? lol?
some classes always do better at a certain stage than others, so a lvl 26 archer can kill an ET quicker than a lvl 26 wiz right?
ok, so what about a lvl 40 wiz versus a lvl 40 archer in bdd? pretty sure the wiz cud have a quicker kill rate than the archer?
its the gm's decision and im sure theyl make one soon enough, just be pateint.
as for balancing classes there are ALWAYS those who argue one class is more powerful than the other and unfortuately you could work on this for a year and still have the same debate, at the end of the day if you dont like one class.. make another one?

 

[daneo1989]

i dont understand how archer can have so much more damage than the other DC classes when they wear basically the same items (especially if they are shop items). unless there bow and arrows have stupidly higher DC than swords and blades. the only other thing is there spells/skills have better multipliers on them than melee.

i am not doubting that you lot are correct, archer is killing **** before sin and warr but didnt wiz and tao always kill stuff before warr?

Yes your correct wizards could always kill stuff before warrior's, Killed my first OmaWarrior on Dragon Server at lv7 on a Wizard.

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i dont understand how archer can have so much more damage than the other DC classes when they wear basically the same items (especially if they are shop items). unless there bow and arrows have stupidly higher DC than swords and blades. the only other thing is there spells/skills have better multipliers on them than melee.

i am not doubting that you lot are correct, archer is killing **** before sin and warr but didnt wiz and tao always kill stuff before warr?

Yes your correct wizards could always kill stuff before warrior's, Killed my first OmaWarrior on Dragon Server at lv7 on a Wizard.

 

[d1craig]

i have been thinking aobut how archer class works and one thing strikes me as wierd. their ranged attacks are DC to counter DC/melee you use AC. to counter range you use AMC. but archers are ranged and they use DC :S

all ranged attacks are against AMC.

 

[DeathSentence]

I thought it was magic damage not range damage? Sure theres a difference somewhere.

 

[LionMir]

i have been thinking aobut how archer class works and one thing strikes me as wierd. their ranged attacks are DC to counter DC/melee you use AC. to counter range you use AMC. but archers are ranged and they use DC :S

all ranged attacks are against AMC.

AMC is for magic..
AC for normal damage...

its not that hard

/Wadestreet

 

[Samuel]

I am glad someone brought up Archer damage ...

Sin hits at 35/40 damage per hit yes... It also does 8 hits in the time it takes an Archer to do 1 (320 damage vs 50-90?)...

Tao will always be slower than others as they benefit in other areas.

Wiz hits 25/35 damage yes... Which is remarkably lower than an Archer, granted... Archer has no real AOE, so when you take into account a wiz has Lightning at 26 (25/35 * (up to 8? (if not more)) = 280) and TStorm at 30 (25/35 + extra if the mob is undead * (up to 24 mobs at once) = 840)...

Sin 25/40 dmg * 8 = 320.
Wizard 25/35 * 8 or * 24 = 280 or 840
Archer 50/90 * 1 = 50/90

Come on guys, be a little open minded about these things...

Sam

 

[Koriban]

Gotta love the people moaning about a class that's just been created and is still in testing phases.

Personally I think they're fine, if they're not going to do decent damage they fill absolutely no useful role in a group, so why take one?

They may need to have their health adjusted so they are very easy to kill (not sure how easy atm) but I'd expect an archer to do serious single target damage. They don't have any AoE, after all.

 

[daneo1989]

Thanks for the confirmation Sam,

 

[Pottsy]

I am glad someone brought up Archer damage ...

Sin hits at 35/40 damage per hit yes... It also does 8 hits in the time it takes an Archer to do 1 (320 damage vs 50-90?)...

Tao will always be slower than others as they benefit in other areas.

Wiz hits 25/35 damage yes... Which is remarkably lower than an Archer, granted... Archer has no real AOE, so when you take into account a wiz has Lightning at 26 (25/35 * (up to 8? (if not more)) = 280) and TStorm at 30 (25/35 + extra if the mob is undead * (up to 24 mobs at once) = 840)...

Sin 25/40 dmg * 8 = 320.
Wizard 25/35 * 8 or * 24 = 280 or 840
Archer 50/90 * 1 = 50/90

Come on guys, be a little open minded about these things...

Sam

Exactly what I was about to say lol....

Unfortunately most players want the class they won't be playing to be nerfed lol....they dont see their disadvantages compared to their favourite class, they only see what advantages they have.

 

[Jicaa]

What I'm seeing is, Archer will be great at hunting higher mobs at a lower level because you usually deal with them 1 by 1.

A wizard will be great at hunting places your level with huge amounts of aoe, resulting in more kills but less exp gained per monster.

A warrior will either level in an area the same level range using mixes of aoe and single target. Or go to a higher level place with TDB and take then 1 by 1.

A Sin I am not do sure as I haven't looked into one properly, but I guess you can defeat same level monsters very swiftly 1 at a time but probably pulling groups or go to a higher place with a lot of HP pots and take them also 1 by 1.

As for Taoist, they have great support skills. And I for one(making an archer) would happily love a Tao with me for buffs to take down monsters even quicker at the slight loss of exp.

I'm sure I have some things mixed up or wrong, but I'm just stating my opinions on how it might be intended.

 

[MrMcD]

we are never going to all kill at same speeds be it mass mobs or single mobs. just gotta remember in a fight to take out the archer first not the Tao :P.
the team are doing a great job so far

 

[Hyd]

I just hope the Archer I'm with is better than the Archer I'm against or as a Taoist I'm going to have a very hard time avoiding their slow and their 1shot (1 skill-3shots).

I do feel sorry for Assassins in PvE, versus 30-40 bosses they do very well, versus the higher ones they are going to struggle to be effective unless other classes step into melee to share the hits.

We can moan/praise all we want but it seems the developers have made a decision on the make-up of a class, all we can do is get off their backs and trust they pull it all off.