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jaffar91

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Guess ill just sit back and watch the crys then when archers are pwning everyone in 2-3 hits from lvl 1 - 50 and not worrying about dieing lol

laylas i hate people like you on lomcn, you have to make an arguement out of anything and it really puts people off looking at new threads that could get them interested in the server. you literally have to scan read though all the pointless arguements to find what your looking for.
if you dont like what the gm's are doing (even though the answers ive seen samuel give seem concise) then stop posting and try the server when its up!
 

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Guess ill just sit back and watch the crys then when archers are pwning everyone in 2-3 hits from lvl 1 - 50 and not worrying about dieing lol

Corner an Archer and he's fked...end of story, more so than a Wizard would ever be considering the fact they have shield and every AoE imaginable to avoid being cornered in the first place.

A simple respawn in WT KR screwed me on an Archer cause I wasn't fully paying attention...it was either kill my way 1 by 1, TT or die.

Simply nothing can be done if you get surrounded, unless you have enough pots to survive the onslaught on your HP
 

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mhh i have to say i messed with archer a bit myself (was curious).
their single target dmg at low level (below 30) seemed higher then most other class's (mostly cause the melee class's tend to lack their aspeed or acc advantage at those levels).
however: once you get to like 40+, the archers dmg is only gonna be comming from the weapon they use (a lvl 50 archer using a lvl 30 bow did 60 dmg or something, a lvl 50 bow ended up making it 90 so that's a huge deal with just the weapon), think about it tho: how many players get a decent weapon for their level? it's really rare to see players before lvl 45 or higher with even a lvl 36-40 weapon on these servers so...

next: archers have some pretty nice (op?) skills: except at what level do they get them (and what do they compare to).
example: the triple arrow skill archer gets does pretty much same dmg as a full meteor hit (if both class's are in same tier gear)
i saw archer lvl 30 doing same single target dmg as a wiz using lvl 0 FF so not sure how 'high' you can call the archers dmg there either :p

then there's boss killing: sure a lvl 30- archer can kill sub boss's much better then other lvl 30- class's, but once you get to the higher up boss's: archer has no choice but to tank and spank them (since boss's dont get trapped at all etc), archer has rather low attack speed (rapidfire is nice but not really good enough vs the speed of boss's), no shield, no defense: so by the time an archer is lvl 40+ he'll likely do less dmg then war or sin, cant outrun a boss, cant hit a boss fast enough to reduce it's attack speed, cant tank the boss cause of low defense < aka archer rules low levels and then falls behind more and more as you get higher level :(
 

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Unlike you who seems to be an argumentative little child, when people state true facts, I'm hardly going to disagree just to be a dick.

What he's said is true, having played them all myself. I'm not even playing Sin or Archer...I'm playing a Tao.


you just want to put samuels penis in your mouth! errrrhhh you gay!

you dont have to agree with him just cause he on the dev team! unless you wanna suck him off like you clearly do! ALWAYS defending him and agreeing with him!
 

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you just want to put samuels penis in your mouth! errrrhhh you gay!

you dont have to agree with him just cause he on the dev team! unless you wanna suck him off like you clearly do! ALWAYS defending him and agreeing with him!

my god are you 12 years old? lol

plenty of other servers with these nice looking graphics and the archer class... oh no wait there isnt... hmm, maybe youl just have to give it a go and stop complaining like a little girl?
 

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you just want to put samuels penis in your mouth! errrrhhh you gay!

you dont have to agree with him just cause he on the dev team! unless you wanna suck him off like you clearly do! ALWAYS defending him and agreeing with him!
Hahaha this made me lol... only read beginning of this thread but you sir are a knob...

from what ive seen on streams of archers they do isane damage but im sure this wont be unnoticed and the devs will sort it out to balance. So everyone play nice ;)
 

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There have been a number of changes to Sin since this was done... Also there was a bug with DoubleSlash not registering its second hit on a trainer, so I guess your sin calc's need to be doubled?


At that level I guess the "lightning-like skill" needs to be compared with FlameField... 640-740 vs 150-240x24=5760 (still a huge advantage for wizards over sins).


Hehe you will never let this go will you? :P... I haven't nerfed Hallu, it works on everything it was intended to on euro.

Sam
well i doubt it will be hitting 60-80 at that level and thus is the comparison not really realistic.
probs will be htting 250 each hit making it around 2k each use
 

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you just want to put samuels penis in your mouth! errrrhhh you gay!

you dont have to agree with him just cause he on the dev team! unless you wanna suck him off like you clearly do! ALWAYS defending him and agreeing with him!

You know my opinion starting to change about you...you're making me laugh every day after all with your posts.

Almost as funny to read as my daughter is to watch when she laughs at a cup
 

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You're basing that on closed beta where we have gear that we wont have at level 50 on live. We might have level 70 health pools before Archers are using a MirBow for all we know. On Beta a Warrior and an Archer can currently one-hit any class, including other Archers, it takes 2 hits to bring down a Warrior.

The items currently floating about on Closed Beta are actually less in stats than what you'll have with a full gemmed lvl 40 kit, so no. Not really.

Also it's all relative, across the board we all have the same 'level' of items and you don't see Wizards/Sins/Taos walking around 1shotting people.

Don't be biased just because you're wanting to play an Archer >.<
 

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It is an easy fix really, if the archer's are 1 shoting people then the team merely has to lower there damage and increase there speed of attack or cast rate, resulting in the same overall dps but becoming less effective for pvp.
 

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It is an easy fix really, if the archer's are 1 shoting people then the team merely has to lower there damage and increase there speed of attack or cast rate, resulting in the same overall dps but becoming less effective for pvp.

They did this in the last patch.
 

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Yeah I saw and agree its the best way to do it, meant its something they can continually tweak to get the right balance.

Agreed, but they have to be careful. As you can see by the stats Sam posted the Archer is by far the worst DC class in terms of single target DPS. Currently it's slow attacks and large damage is one of it's main appealing features. I'd rather play a ranged Warrior than a ranged Assassin. Faster attack speed = more time stopping to fire, so it's kind of a double nerf to a ranged class.
 
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Love the argument of "arrows have uber stats omg" when actually, archers bows have less DC to counter this, the better arrows aren't as freely available and dont last as long.

As Sam has stated, we have done multiple testing against all classes and can see the odd issue with certain spells but all we are working to balance. Archers PvE atm, if you actually played one, you'd see is 1 at a time you get yourself in a multiple situation, or with any ranged mobs around, you find yourself potting rather significantly.
 

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There have been a number of changes to Sin since this was done... Also there was a bug with DoubleSlash not registering its second hit on a trainer, so I guess your sin calc's need to be doubled?

My test was against WT :p If you're referring to the DPS test I did against the trainer a few weeks ago I calculated Sin DPS by:

- Working out the average damage of Fatal Sword and multiplying that by how many times it procced in 5mins (Fraps'd and counted).
- Removed the total estimated damage of FatalSword from the total damage done.
- Multiplied the new value for total damage done by 2 to get the true value of DoubleSlash and then added the FS damage back.

Not sure if that's correct but like you said anyway you've changed the class since then :p
 
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If im reading right archers get a ranged flamesword damage spell? Sorry not had time to watch the streams

if so the thats just incredible over powered and they will just run around in grps of 2 or 3 and 1 shotting everyone they come across. Ultimate grief character running about spiking people down. Maybe think of damage over time so you could atleast pot or sun it.
 

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If im reading right archers get a ranged flamesword damage spell? Sorry not had time to watch the streams

if so the thats just incredible over powered and they will just run around in grps of 2 or 3 and 1 shotting everyone they come across. Ultimate grief character running about spiking people down. Maybe think of damage over time so you could atleast pot or sun it.

basically as it stands, two or more archers together will be virtually unstoppable in pvp. give them a tao with red and even warriors wont stand a chance with their high hp.
 

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if so the thats just incredible over powered and they will just run around in grps of 2 or 3 and 1 shotting everyone they come across. Ultimate grief character running about spiking people down. Maybe think of damage over time so you could atleast pot or sun it.

I agree flamesword should be made into a DoT, the tank class doing the biggest hit in game is wrong :p
 

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I agree flamesword should be made into a DoT, the tank class doing the biggest hit in game is wrong :p

it's got a cooldown, only works once before it needs to recharged AND the warrior's got to actually get next to the person and land the hit before they move. what more do you want?! :p
 

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I agree flamesword should be made into a DoT, the tank class doing the biggest hit in game is wrong :p
Christ >.

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I agree flamesword should be made into a DoT, the tank class doing the biggest hit in game is wrong :p

Christ >.<. Stop trying to make your class the best in the game ;p