Archers Arrowbarrage/decoy suggestions

[Nizzles]

Alright dude
i think ive found a happy medium for arrow barrage.
currently the damage from range is an absolute joke. in pve it isnt worth casting. hitting 150-180 in total
Fireshot does MORE damage than it from range.
i understand that casting it from range and doing ridiculous damage could be bad and unfair in pvp.

so here is my solution:
arrowbarrage range makes no difference to the damage of the spell. it does the same damage no matter where from.
but as you get further away the arrows distance themselves apart (slightly)
so if you hit someone with it upclose they will get wrecked as they will all hit at pretty much the same time.
but if you cast from a distance the arrows will hit each with a slight delay. giving the chance to sun pot (more chance the further away you are)
taking into account that tigernecklaces work against it etc i think this is more than fair and will also make it viable again in pve.

i would really appreciate a reply with any thoughts. i think this is a great idea and will make archers much more playable. as when your attack speed buff runs out and youre killing singular mobs, your dps really suffers. this
would be a nice filler.

foxes has lots of ranged mobs which i should have an advantage against with the high damage output but arrowbarrage makes me want to cry.. and i have no skills to get close.... which whilst im on the topic i think decoy should be cast then no cooldown to swap to. then the 6 second cooldown to recast again. the way it works at the moment is pretty rubbish.
either that or make it so that it doesnt disappear when youre off screen (but make it last 15 seconds max or something) it would make it great for avoiding hits/ escaping. you could then even give it a cooldown after casting of say 30 seconds so it wasnt too overpowered.


/nizzles

 

[muffinpie]

Hmm i agree with the changes to decoy but AB is our only nuke spell as archers and has a massive cooldown compared to wizards 2 nuke spells,also ours is only single shot where as theres is aoe, i think AB should just be put back to how it was before the original nerf its already hard enough to get a lock on a moving target anyway so it shouldn't be to op especially now people are igher level and much better kitted to defend against it. i think we should also have some kind of dropback/escape skill or a shield as currently we have no defensive spells.

 

[Nizzles]

Hear hear. Just trying to make it more appealing to get changed. I was always a firm believer it should have never been changed in the first place, and that was before I had an archer. Change ab back! It's a hard skill to hit anyway with a massive cool down unlike met/blizzard!

 

[Phawk]

I actually think that AB should maybe be put back to ~80-90% the power it was. Deffo not to full power. I did like the fact that when AB was 1-2 hitting wizzies, there was an absolute outcry. Now wizzies have a 1/2 shot spell (2 of them, 1 of which is AoE!), they are defending the ability to do that sort of damage through their teeth

But back to the point, yes, the AB nerf imposed on archers see,s to have left them a touch crippled compared to the other ranged class ingame - and I mean on single target, where they should be better IMO.

/Mark

 

[evilwomann]

Ab lvl40? Met lvl49 they shouldn't do same damage, similar but not that same

 

[ILovePie:D]

Ab lvl40? Met lvl49 they shouldn't do same damage, similar but not that same

It doesn't, AB is single target, met is AOE?

 

[Razarus]

If AB split into 3 hits would that give 3 flinches? I don't like the sound of that.

 

[muffinpie]

Ab lvl40? Met lvl49 they shouldn't do same damage, similar but not that same

Your met is 10x easier to hit on someone running than my arrow barrage is you can guess movement whereas my ab has to be locked on which isnt always easy to get and by time you do there to far away for it to do any real damage, also we have no escape if you do land it then its a 1 spell kill

 

[Nizzles]

If AB split into 3 hits would that give 3 flinches? I don't like the sound of that.

it gives 3 flinches anyway. I don't have a problem with them all hitting at the same time. just would give squishier classes a slight chance to sunpot if each hit was say .3 seconds apart. so there was a chance to survive it. although AB has always been sunpottable anyway as you can see it coming so if you sunpot at the right time it mitigates the damage

as for arrowbarrage doing same damage as met..
like muffin has said.. its harder to land an arrowbarrage as its single target. and it only hits one target.. level 3 is still at lvl 46.. so it should provide a good whack of damage.
but again as i have already mentioned. the skill is just utter crap for pve/solo hunting... ranged mobs are actually a pain in some cases due to slow damage output, whereas we should be taking them down faster than the melee classes(red fox casters in particular)

 

[Razarus]

Dont fret, at levrl 49 instead of met you will have that hp regen skill... ... ..... .... .

AB does still hurt with a good hit. I think a good fix for certain sprlls and to negate the very broken luk7 element would be that some skills do not work from the luck factor,
For example a AB should never hit a min in my opinion. It should range from the top 40% of the damage scale.
So for example if someones DC was 0-10 it would only consider 6-10 giving a better overall damage output. Ignoring luck completely.
Its not a final fix but a step in the right direction.

Another idea is to leave it as is but make it homing to the closest enemy character. Not requiring a lock on. It would need to stay at the same damage if this did happen though as it would be too strong otherwise, or maybe not.

My archer doesnt have the skill unfortunately charliechan (a chinese version of charlie Chaplin) outbid me at everyturn so i am only looking at it from a receiving end (not my standard possition i may add)

 

[Nizzles]

no from a distance AB does not still hurt with a good hit. it pretty much always does less than a mid to top end fireshot. therefore it is useless. and in pve as you are usually trying to keep range, it is void.
making it homing would take skill out of it. I don't want that. the only solution for it is my solution. that is all =p

 

[Razarus]

Ive lived under a dictatorship before, it aint all that.
Brainstorming and using segments from multiple ideas to create the alpha idea tends to come up trumps.

Homing was an "out there" thought but you would need "skill" to make the target you want to hit be the closest target. It would give wars something to do by actualy tanking hits for the rest of the team.
I think wars should have some sort of pvp agro warcry castable every 5mins or something that makes them the only targetable char for 5 secs. Think thats abit much for the dynamics of this game tho. Sorry another brain fart

 

[Nizzles]

no pm reply from gm and no thread reply. cmon

 

[Babyhack]

I have no PM from you

Just because there is no reply does not mean anything. If you look at the bottom of the thread you will see that I have look at the thread
I just do not have the time to reply to every thread

AB is being looked into changing it back but we are busy with other things

BH

 

[Nizzles]

I have no PM from you

Just because there is no reply does not mean anything. If you look at the bottom of the thread you will see that I have look at the thread
I just do not have the time to reply to every thread

AB is being looked into changing it back but we are busy with other things

BH

been having issues with typing messags onte forum.

as if my keyboard is cutting out. for example... hello how e yu doing m name is chris and I canno see to type a full sentence.

... having t copy and paste from notepad :/

thought I sent to you... .sent to sam and lilcooldoode

cheers for the response

 

[Razarus]

I used to get that with forum on an old computer. Wouldnt mind knowing a fix as i still use it sometimes.

 

[Mystickiller]

Not really an acceptable response. Being looked into doesn't really signify its actually going to change any time. Iirc wizzys were being looked into for over 3 months. You broke archers after half the server complained about tash kt wond and myself 2 shotting half the server

What I'm trying to say is it took less than an hour to break the class but months to restore it.