ATHLON 64: amd's suicide bullet

[urbanfox]

i dont really feel like explaining it now but amd has done themselves in majorly. 64bit computing for the home user is a joke. omg what idiots. well at least the final p4 is coming. the p4 extreme 3.2ghz 1000mhz fsb. btw that 32 bit processor whupped the athlon 64 fx. cus intel owns now,

 

[COPY]

lol

 

[seifer997]

hehehe

 

[[ade]]

The Athlon 64 FX used in the benchmarks was a 2.2GHz CPU while the P4 was 3.2GHz.
Saying 64bit computing for the home is a joke since Microsoft has already developed 64bit Windows XP specifically for the Athlon 64. It also runs 32bit programs faster than an equivalent 32bit processor.
So what are Intel going to do once they've got as much speed out of 32 bit processors as they can?
If you'd even been alive when 32 bit processors came along, would you have been shouting about the death of Intel?

 

[urbanfox]

u seem to forget a few things my dear... like for 1)windows xp 64bit edition isnt out till estimated 2004 summer....its in alpha now. which means to use it at 64 bit it would take linux, and the mass home users wont use linux. 2 saying its 2.2ghz is no fight. thats amd's plan, build better structure less mhz. and actually its the fairest point. amd says its new athlon 64 fx is the ultimate gaming cpu. well its not the p4e beats it. for cheaper too. and next on the agenda is the pentium 5 and 6. and btw, 64 bit computing is a joke. ull need all new drivers for everything, not to mention do u know any 64 bit programs a home user will need or use? no. and im talking about the general 90%+ public here, so dont go telling me how u run some 64 but crap becus we (speaking of some ppl on lomcn, the ones who know the difference between front side bus and l2 cache, not some home user) r not the public, what a surprise lol

 

[Coolio]

i ardly know what ur on about, but all i can make out of it is p4 is better than AMD Anthlon an im usin AMD Anthlon 1.2ghz, i thought that was fast when i got it, which was about 2-3 years ago, but i wish i saved for a faster PC for my gaming needs

 

[[ade]]

"do u know any 64 bit programs a home user will need or use?"
To quote an article "Epic has already updated Unreal 2003 for use on a 64-bit system"
Mostly gaming, audio and video will benefit from an end-user point of view, which sound like reasonable "home user" applications to me.

Did you even look at the benchmarks by the way? Most of them show the FX 51 to beat the P4EE, and that isn't taking into account certain things which might sway it in favour of the P4...
"During this event, they tried, among other things, to get the reporters present to above all employ benchmarks in comparative tests that know how to use the multi-threading capabilities of the P4."
and
"The extremely low AGP performance of the NForce3 can be clearly attributed to problems with the HyperTransport channel interface to the Northbridge. That is proven by the benchmark results and the performance differences of up to 33.2 percent."

Basically the nforce3 chipset used with the FX wasn't really ready and performance suffered as a result.

Existing software is optimised for the P4, not a 64 bit processor.

Just because you can't run a 64 bit machine now, that doesn't mean that it's a joke, so what if we have to wait until next summer?
You can try stick with 32 bit CPUs if you want, but when the 4GB maximum addressable memory isn't enough any more there'll be trouble.. but I don't think it will be more than a couple of years before we're all using 64 bit. Why fight progress?

 

[nightwolfz]

"do u know any 64 bit programs a home user will need or use?"
To quote an article "Epic has already updated Unreal 2003 for use on a 64-bit system"
Mostly gaming, audio and video will benefit from an end-user point of view, which sound like reasonable "home user" applications to me.

Did you even look at the benchmarks by the way? Most of them show the FX 51 to beat the P4EE, and that isn't taking into account certain things which might sway it in favour of the P4...
"During this event, they tried, among other things, to get the reporters present to above all employ benchmarks in comparative tests that know how to use the multi-threading capabilities of the P4."
and
"The extremely low AGP performance of the NForce3 can be clearly attributed to problems with the HyperTransport channel interface to the Northbridge. That is proven by the benchmark results and the performance differences of up to 33.2 percent."

Basically the nforce3 chipset used with the FX wasn't really ready and performance suffered as a result.

Existing software is optimised for the P4, not a 64 bit processor.

Just because you can't run a 64 bit machine now, that doesn't mean that it's a joke, so what if we have to wait until next summer?
You can try stick with 32 bit CPUs if you want, but when the 4GB maximum addressable memory isn't enough any more there'll be trouble.. but I don't think it will be more than a couple of years before we're all using 64 bit. Why fight progress?

Totaly, totaly AGREE !

well said

 

[urbanfox]

"do u know any 64 bit programs a home user will need or use?"
To quote an article "Epic has already updated Unreal 2003 for use on a 64-bit system"
Mostly gaming, audio and video will benefit from an end-user point of view, which sound like reasonable "home user" applications to me.

Did you even look at the benchmarks by the way? Most of them show the FX 51 to beat the P4EE, and that isn't taking into account certain things which might sway it in favour of the P4...
"During this event, they tried, among other things, to get the reporters present to above all employ benchmarks in comparative tests that know how to use the multi-threading capabilities of the P4."
and
"The extremely low AGP performance of the NForce3 can be clearly attributed to problems with the HyperTransport channel interface to the Northbridge. That is proven by the benchmark results and the performance differences of up to 33.2 percent."

Basically the nforce3 chipset used with the FX wasn't really ready and performance suffered as a result.

Existing software is optimised for the P4, not a 64 bit processor.

Just because you can't run a 64 bit machine now, that doesn't mean that it's a joke, so what if we have to wait until next summer?
You can try stick with 32 bit CPUs if you want, but when the 4GB maximum addressable memory isn't enough any more there'll be trouble.. but I don't think it will be more than a couple of years before we're all using 64 bit. Why fight progress?

...u dont seem to grasp what im saying. im not fighting progress at all i want power. but a few games doesnt warrant 64 bit for the home user. as for benchmarking ur wrong. check out tomshardware p4e excelled at a a much larger numbver of benchmarks than the fx 51. as for 4gb memory what r u talking about? currwent 32 systems go 6gb+ now. and even next summer it wont be good for the home user to get 64bit. not until a large amount of home computing software is 64bit will it be good for the average consumer. btw the nforce3 isnt the only chipset.

 

[Kashinoda]

urbanfox you ARE clearly saying its crap because its new and theres nothing for it atm. Did you moan like this when we all moved from dos-3.1, 3.1 - 95, 9x - XP? 0.o? Obviously its not gonna have alot for it if its just released, cummon your being very arrogant arnt u?

 

[[ade]]

as for 4gb memory what r u talking about? currwent 32 systems go 6gb+ now

A 32 bit processor can address 2 ^ 32 ( 2 to the power of 32 ) bytes of memory, which is 4,294,967,296 bytes, or 4GB.

While current systems can use multiple processors to get round it, and recent processor have kind of cheated their way round it to get a 64GB limit, but the maximum a 32 bit application can access is 4GB

even next summer it wont be good for the home user to get 64bit. not until a large amount of home computing software is 64bit will it be good for the average consumer.

Who knows what will have happened by then

 

[urbanfox]

i love power. i probably love power more than anyone else here. im not putting amd down performance wise, although the p4e is a better cpu, im saying that amd made a mistake in bringing 64bit cpu's as there new home line. im not talking about speed here, im talking about real world apps and such. 1)the 3200_ 64bit edition is too expensive and requires too many new things to warrant the average home user to spend more when he/she can get a 32 bit faster system for less. the fx51 while fast is by majority in benchmarks beaten by the p4e, not to mention it costs more! (never thought an amd cpu would come close or ever cost more than an intel cpu of the same caliber!) so when i said suicide bullet i meant it. but dont bicker, lets just w8 and see. i have a strong feeling amd is dieing, not to mention there failing support to get oem's to sell therer stuff.

 

[[ade]]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12306

 

[Xeno]

didnt read it all but, urban. I HAVE a 64bit 3.2ghz AMD Athlon Opteron chip with Windows XP 64bit Edition... all i can say is, it pisses all over the p4 and always will until the p4 advances to 64bit. AMD were clever, in the way they researched the development of there chip which is why they will always lead the market. To be honest, you being all pc know how i would have thought you would know that already.
Yes the 64bit chip is expensive... but that hasnt stopped us selling 6 pc's already with a 64bit chip in them. We have only stocked the chip for 3 days!

in 2 years we have never once sold a p4 chip ( except in second hand machine ) and we would never do so because of there history. Need I say anymore?

Experience in the field is worth more than any book.

 

[¤]´)÷¤--§îr Äürøñ--¤÷(`[¤]

i dont really feel like explaining it now but amd has done themselves in majorly. 64bit computing for the home user is a joke. omg what idiots. well at least the final p4 is coming. the p4 extreme 3.2ghz 1000mhz fsb. btw that 32 bit processor whupped the athlon 64 fx. cus intel owns now,

Lol, that's the stupidest comment ever made.

Well, maybe not, but it certainly ranks in with Big Bill's "640k is enough for anyone" remark.

Take a good long look at the list of enhancements 64bit offers.

Then take a look at why intel are copying the AMD64.

Then tell me it's a suicide bullet.

BTW - AMD64s trounce P4s
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=16214&category=main&highlight=
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=17987&category=main&highlight=
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=17739&category=main&highlight=

Take your pants off & bend over intel...

 

[Xeno]

Cant help but agree Auron
Had a P4... 3.2ghz...
Had a 64bit AMD opteron 3.2ghz

P4 took about 30-40 seconds to reach login
AMD opteron took 10-15 seconds to reach login

( this is disabling boot screen :P )

as for 64bit not having a market for desktop computers. That is a major mis-judgement. Like i said we already sold 6 boards / chips.

Dont think i really need to say anymore :P

 

[Viola A.I.]

Lol, that's the stupidest comment ever made.

Well, maybe not, but it certainly ranks in with Big Bill's "640k is enough for anyone" remark.

Take a good long look at the list of enhancements 64bit offers.

Then take a look at why intel are copying the AMD64.

Then tell me it's a suicide bullet.

BTW - AMD64s trounce P4s
[LINKS]

Take your pants off & bend over intel...

Damn you got a reply in before I could. ^_^

Everything ¤]´)÷¤--§îr Äürøñ--¤÷(`[¤ said is damn right. I have a few beta downloads of some 64-bit software on a CD. My friend has been posted stuff from Microsoft that he's opted to beta test, lots of programs.

If you had even tried to look you would have seen that lots of games have been released in 64-bit beta - don't go saying its a suicide bullet.

Don't discriminate, embrace!

It's people like you who hold the others back.

 

[dana123]

the amd64 for gaming is amazingly better than the p4, i now get a nice 19000 on benchmark 01, thats with a saphire 9800 pro as well, tbh tho, p4 is a much better cpu for office use and is more reliable when doing tasks liike that, p4s aint for gaming really, i would go with amds if you want real nice smooth graphics

 

[ssj4songohan]

i love power. i probably love power more than anyone else here. im not putting amd down performance wise, although the p4e is a better cpu, im saying that amd made a mistake in bringing 64bit cpu's as there new home line. im not talking about speed here, im talking about real world apps and such. 1)the 3200_ 64bit edition is too expensive and requires too many new things to warrant the average home user to spend more when he/she can get a 32 bit faster system for less. the fx51 while fast is by majority in benchmarks beaten by the p4e, not to mention it costs more! (never thought an amd cpu would come close or ever cost more than an intel cpu of the same caliber!) so when i said suicide bullet i meant it. but dont bicker, lets just w8 and see. i have a strong feeling amd is dieing, not to mention there failing support to get oem's to sell therer stuff.

if you love power, you know nothing about CPU's, AMd 64 series processors are much better than Pentium 4's, they may have a higher spec rating, but if you think it this wy, 3.2 ghz Intel, 2.2 64bit, = intel still 3.2 32bit, 2.2 64bit basically equals 2x 2.2 32bit processors, 2.2 + 2.2 = 4.4 32 witch is better, also amd have higher cache space, *for the n00bs to cpus that where info is stored before being processed*, eg most amd 64bits have 1meg, whereas the best P4 with cache is 128kb
what do you think is best? think about it...

 

[¤]´)÷¤--§îr Äürøñ--¤÷(`[¤]

if you love power, you know nothing about CPU's, AMd 64 series processors are much better than Pentium 4's, they may have a higher spec rating, but if you think it this wy, 3.2 ghz Intel, 2.2 64bit, = intel still 3.2 32bit, 2.2 64bit basically equals 2x 2.2 32bit processors, 2.2 + 2.2 = 4.4 32 witch is better, also amd have higher cache space, *for the n00bs to cpus that where info is stored before being processed*, eg most amd 64bits have 1meg, whereas the best P4 with cache is 128kb
what do you think is best? think about it...

Lol, way to bump a thread

Anyways, I'm sure Urban understands now that x86-64 is the future now