Battle against bots...

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Read below idea and let us know your thoughts.

  • Good idea

    Votes: 50 73.5%
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Aluvian

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Just remove chestnut trees and increase gold drops as mob level increases to remove the need to farm chestnuts in the first place
 

The NightAngel

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The easiest way to stop harvesting bots would be to not stop the bot itself (almost impossible, really) but to limit what people botting can actually achieve.
Captcha's wont work for one main reason that's been mentioned somewhere in this thread before (sorry for not crediting whoever said it first) but all it will do is slow the botters down. If people can create complicated botting software, I'm sure a simple math captcha wouldn't be hard to bypass.

The 2 best ways to stop them I can think of would be to:
1) Massively reduce the worth of Chestnuts, or/and
2) Limit the amount of gold a character can hold according to level. Is there any reason for someone below level 20 (or even 30) to be able to hold a mill, really? This would introduce problems such as if a level 20 character finds an item worth more than a mill and tries to sell it but gold bars would always still be an option.

Harvesting bots wont be worth it if there's no monetary incentive or they have to level to 30+ to simply hold a decent amount of cash. Sure, they could collect all the chestnuts, max out the gold on one account and then trade it all over but it would massively reduce the bot's effectiveness.

The aim should be not to stop the bots (pretty much impossible to do completely) but to make it so there's very little to gain from actually botting.

Bots can only do what we can do. Make it pointles for bots you make it pointles for us. I dont think a gold cap is the answer as they will just bot level...
Soon enough itll all be item for item instead of gold anyway. Then the bots will reduce as gold will be for pots only. Matter of time imo
 

xXxX

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imo should remove the level caps on repeatable quests would help alot with gold issues. at 40+ its at the point where it costs 3x the gold u be getting as a reward to complete the damn quest lol
 

mattimean

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Get it sorted soon as plz coz all these good items tht are dropping are gettin sold for high prices to botters which is so unfair for those who can only just get enough for pots..... Becoming a cheat to win server like all the others.....
 

PUNISHER

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Get it sorted soon as plz coz all these good items tht are dropping are gettin sold for high prices to botters which is so unfair for those who can only just get enough for pots..... Becoming a cheat to win server like all the others.....

+1
 

jez

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imo should remove the level caps on repeatable quests would help alot with gold issues. at 40+ its at the point where it costs 3x the gold u be getting as a reward to complete the damn quest lol

yer do this and remove all the fkin trees. and put some more notice board quests in on the empty ones on various zones! Make this the only income stream.

Oh and make sv a pet lvl map that drops fk all.
 

Shank

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its funny ppl saying botters only ones buying items that sell for mills lol
 

Wond

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Simple solution is to do what xele or aldor suggested. It would be better all round for everybody on the server. Players at 35+ shouldn't have to resort to chestnut farming anyway. Pots should be sustainable and at the minute they are far from it.
 

Turrican

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Simple solution is to do what xele or aldor suggested. It would be better all round for everybody on the server. Players at 35+ shouldn't have to resort to chestnut farming anyway. Pots should be sustainable and at the minute they are far from it.
The problem itself isn't limited to just chestnut trees, in fact most bots have moved to serpent valley now and are farming mobs.

We are currently exploring other methods of deterring bots, we will keep you all posted.
 

Zed

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It should be something simple though maybe just (as someone previously stated) a quick addition or something, as the word ones that are unreadable I get wrong too many times haha (I dont chestnut farm anyway so doesnt concern me)

The Positive effect far out weighs the negative annoyance, It stops botters from pumping gold into the game that was earned unfairly. to a random captcha :)
 

mStation

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limit connections from same IP to 3

limit connections from same PC to 1

lower value of chestnuts or allow only X chestnut tree kills x day x char

find simple solutions to make their lives difficult trying to avoid making genuine players life more difficult

every solution you find will be eventually by passed but if by passing it means getting too much stressed for just a few gold coins then it will be rendered worthless botting
 

Wond

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The problem itself isn't limited to just chestnut trees, in fact most bots have moved to serpent valley now and are farming mobs.

We are currently exploring other methods of deterring bots, we will keep you all posted.

What xele suggested was upping loot drops in PSC/PT. Bots will never be capable of farming these places. It would also give players an income capable of sustaining the price of pots.
 

jaffar91

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i have to say gold is the only real issue for me atm. and if people are botting for easy gold then this is a no brainer that it should stop, espeically since some of the noobs in my guild are having to farm chestnuts for pot gold

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limit connections from same IP to 3

limit connections from same PC to 1

this wouldnt work as people can use that mulitple windows mode (i forget the name)

lower value of chestnuts or allow only X chestnut tree kills x day x char
lowering the price of nuts wud create a massive wave and piss people off, and hey if u want to farm nuts all day to buy and item why shud u be capped on wat u get? lets face it its fukin depressing hunting chestnut trees lol

find simple solutions to make their lives difficult trying to avoid making genuine players life more difficult

every solution you find will be eventually by passed but if by passing it means getting too much stressed for just a few gold coins then it will be rendered worthless botting

My suggestion would be to be bring back spitting spiders to mizu village (bar the teeth/web drops tho) as the bots wud be killed by them if there only noobs right?
 

ChaseyLane

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If all accounts have been checked for amounts larger then 10m, whats to stop people making 8/9 accounts and putting 7/8m on each one..? is it possible to cross reference the accounts and IP's accessing them..? As tbh anybody who is going to go to the effort of risking cheating is surely going to be smart enough to split the cash over several chars/accounts.

Just seems like there is a massive difference in wealth between players in the game, effectively making the people who botted and gained an early advantage able to pretty much set the price for items bought or sold by controlling most of the ingame cash, which in turn if left alone will only worsen over time .....

just my 2 cents ..... flame away :)
 

holly

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You can also store gold in storage and guild stores, are they being checked?
 

5c0rp10n

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Good but possibly annoying idea. Inclined to agree with Breezer - Keep it simple, something quick and easy to answer, to minimise risk of error.
 

TheMasterGee

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I have a suggestion, I love what you're doing with the game, played for a while at the beginning, but to be honest it lacks a challenge - so I've not stuck with it to be fair. (would however like the server files, but that's another story :p)

What I'd suggest is automated itself. Have the server check for users that have been online for an hour. Once they're on for an hour, send them an admin pm that simply says something like "Hello, please pm me back". After 10mins (or whatever period) you get another pm, that includes a warning. After a further 10mins (whatever) you get a final warning to reply. (you can leave out characters that haven't moved or other checks like where in Mir they are, so as to not round up people in sz or waiting in a kr, afk players etc)

No reply from the 3rd pm, and you get moved to a small map that you can only escape from via an npc, that returns you to where you were or last town. You can't talk to the npc for 5 mins.

No muss no fuss. Needs tinkering with, but should solve your problem.
 

mStation

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change all chestnuts trees with chestnuts npcs for a day..

make the script check what level the player is, if he is less than level 10 check how much cash he has.. if he has more than a million then take a million from him.. send player to small map and save player name in a checklist so that you can find out what account he has and do a check

do it on casual days.. like one day all chestnuts will be npcs and the others they go back to normal

just like how police switches on and off the speed control cameras

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also for every caught player make a lottery npc give winning tickets for the same amount you have taken from botters

:D

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all solutions can be applied..

another idea.. check level, check cash, take all cash, set pkpoints to red, teleport to map with 10 guards..

:)
 
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holly

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Just been to Mizu found a female char attacking yobs with no weapon. Killed her and dropped 2 gold chestnuts. Botter?