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flamefield

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No bot in game is fair play.
Anyway, keylago u should keep care your account.
 

Guccci

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The fact you have unbanned him has just made you look like a joke. Now you have to give the same treatment to everyone elses account you have banned for the same thing. Or your showing bias.
 

Bay

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Surely anyone who gets banned for this now can just say it was shared/internet cafe or whatever.

Really don't see how he's got away with it.
 

Babyhack

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He was not the only one unbanned, it turns out that some of the bots are using the same details as normal players (10+ normal players, no where near the same location as the bots) players I know are not bots. This is the reason some accounts where unbanned.

Do you really think after the day I just had related to all this crap that I would just unban them.

BH
 

hy110120

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He was not the only one unbanned, it turns out that some of the bots are using the same details as normal players (10+ normal players, no where near the same location as the bots) players I know are not bots. This is the reason some accounts where unbanned.

Do you really think after the day I just had related to all this crap that I would just unban them.

BH
I got your idea,thanks for clarifying the case. Just want to know how we can keep our details from exploiting by bots, so to avoid same issue raising again.
 

rainstone

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I think following two reasons could explain why bots have the same details as normal players:
Some players may have used the same image disk of system as the bots do. Is it the way you identify bots?
Or bots hack normal players' computers and copy their information.
I do not really know, I do know there are some normal players get affected.
That's why I am asking you to check more carefully.
It is hard job and never easy. Bots can hide, pretend, or violently hack other normal players computer because they can make money out of their business.
They do not give a **** if the sever is down.
For your record, that the accounts I provide, I do not know if they are really normal players or bots.
I do not have the techniques to test that.
And I hate to be a messager:RpS_sad:
He was not the only one unbanned, it turns out that some of the bots are using the same details as normal players (10+ normal players, no where near the same location as the bots) players I know are not bots. This is the reason some accounts where unbanned.

Do you really think after the day I just had related to all this crap that I would just unban them.

BH
 
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Phawk

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I would love to know how you generate the hardware ID. Will it say, pick up VMs ?

/Phawk
 

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I would love to know how you generate the hardware ID. Will it say, pick up VMs ?

/Phawk

Finding the hardware id of a player is a simple bit of code, the problem is it's easily changed these days with a program. VMs have their own hardware id i believe, because it's treated as a different system.
 

The NightAngel

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I would happily line up the bot controllers and execute them in cold blood. Watching their warm twitching bodies turn cold and blue as their lifless eyes look up to the sky in wonder what they achieved in life.

Ahem! I mean, if we are getting in the habbit of banning wrong accounts or unbanning actual cheats/bot benifitters then something is broken somewhere. Peoples faith will turn again after all your hard work building it back up.
 

terriblen

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These people been running mir servers for years and you are questioning whether they know what they are doing and saying they are giving in to pester power and pleading?
They don't ban people til they are sure - this is good. I doubt they would unban without being sure either.
 

rainstone

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Hardware ID is not unique nowadays.

Just by logically thinking: the higher level we are, the more risky we are botting. why the high level characters are botting??? They have better place to go such as new map "hell".

I can make some gold when I am level 45 and it is not difficult.

Please keep suspicion characters on your raider and it would be more reasonable than just ban the hardware id.

Develop a strategic detection method could be the better way and affect the normal players less.

All the best
Only accounts banned in the last 24 hours have been bots and accounts linked to bots and 2 cheaters

The ban has nothing to do with IPs
You hardware ie someone using the same system as you has been banned.

I find it really funny that when I ban an unique hardware id the same one used by the botters so many players all moan about being banned

BH
 

Phawk

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Finding the hardware id of a player is a simple bit of code, the problem is it's easily changed these days with a program. VMs have their own hardware id i believe, because it's treated as a different system.


I know, i've written programs to detect (and change) it. What I found however, was that some VM software will still give you the same processor ID (not necessarily hardware ID) seeing as it is the same physical processor. The same as the machine *should* give the same MAC address as it is using the same physical card.

The reason I ask is simple. I used to run a gaming cafe, which was effectively Citrix XenApp powered. This basically meant each machine was just a VM. The problem was, this was a multi-site server farm. In most cases, this should produce seperate hardware IDs due to the setup of it.

However, running say 4 VMs in Hyper-V on a windows server, all running from the same physical processor, will return the same processor IDs.

Mark

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