BUG? Or Bored Gm?

[grimlife]

Hear what you are saying but imagine this. I spend 30 mins finding and taming a crystal spider, 20 mins getting four browns. Maybe 20 mins lvling them in zt.
I go to iwt and start killing bosses, you (lets say you are a level 45 war) come in and want to fight..

One lure of wgs ghouls and iwts and I can guarantee within 5 mins all my pets are dead. I could try t storm and clear mobs but their hp is not finite and I would also have to deal with you attacking me while I do so.

As someone who plays a level 48 wiz on this server I can tell you from experience its not as clear cut as you make it sound.

That said, if the scenario you mentioned were to happen in a province with weak mobs arround I totally agree that you would get owned. Lets be serious tho, its not very often that it would. Lol

i see where your coming from also, but this is a risk you take while leveling in higher level areas.

I could just pull a big lure onto you in any place, and just stand back and watch your pets die? i wouldnt need to even join in on the attack.
You could always add SC to your kit and buy a recovery ring and heal your pets ^.^

and as you said, if the scenario was different you would pwn us. hands down no argument about it

You can't have Mirroring and 5 pets all together at the same time. As for them in pvp it really depends on where u pvp. If you pvp them close to town, guards will do the honors for you. If you pvp in a cave like OmaCave is a bad idea, any other cave with decent mobs in it will cut wiz the pet/fw privileges.

Ahh ok i didn't realize you couldn't have mirroring out while 5 pets.

Either way its always going to be down to the scenario your in, and if a wizz decides to fight near a guard, then thats down to there ability to control there pets.

Deano have you noticed if you try to run pvp and just try tap shift when your close to them it can only hit in one direct if your face to face with them, i want 2.3 pvp style where you can constantly have ur hand on the mouse and run around tap shift and hit them from any direction aslong as they are next to you...... Is it only me who wants this?

Can we stay on topic of the thread? instead of always changing it to the same old thing.... we have other threads for this.

 

[Koriban]

See from a warriors point of view, you turn up with 5 über pets and lock on skills.... Lil bit unfair dnt you think?

... Be a better warrior then and learn to lure on his pets to make them ineffective/die.

Is LionRoar not on this server or is it useless/poorly coded like it was for 2.3 ? Entrapment is also a really good warrior spell for quickly grabbing a wizzies pet and nuking it.

I don't play but If I were the warrior I'd be using these skills to deal with the threat.

 

[deano13]

... Be a better warrior then and learn to lure on his pets to make them ineffective/die.

Is LionRoar not on this server or is it useless/poorly coded like it was for 2.3 ? Entrapment is also a really good warrior spell for quickly grabbing a wizzies pet and nuking it.

I don't play but If I were the warrior I'd be using these skills to deal with the threat.

If there's no mobs to lure? Having a Fc hit you or khazard, + 5 frogs and the wiz hitting you near on every skill they cast ain't fun lol..

 

[grimlife]

Entrapment is also a really good warrior spell for quickly grabbing a wizzies pet and nuking it.

Thats the kind of thinking i like to hear!
wish everyone was like this, and knew how to utilize there skills better.

 

[stephens_l]

If there's no mobs to lure? Having a Fc hit you or khazard, + 5 frogs and the wiz hitting you near on every skill they cast ain't fun lol..

As we said earlier tho, unless you find me hunting in bug cave, or maybe st3rd this is never going to occur. (I can assure you at level 48 i wont be hunting in any of these places) haha. Pretty much anywhere you attack a wiz (that has mobs that provide decent exp comparable to their level) you will have the advantage my friend of luring etc plus its khaz and 4 pets or cs and 4 pets. I dont have mirror yet but WG says we cant have it out too anyway? :-0

(Just to give you an idea of how hard it is to get a pet like that i went this morning and searched for khaz and cs, ran to rmv treepath, bag of rts + running .. couldnt find... r/ted to 4f, bag of rts + running, couldnt find.... r/ted to insect 4f... bag of rts + running .... had been killed... lol. Went solo hunting for a bit in ghoul room then went back to look for khaz.... full bag of r/ts + running couldnt find.... tried one more time 40 mins later and i tamed one! (its not a case of, walk to the correct cave and.. "oh hello mr khazard be my pet" "pow" and its tamed.. haha.

If i do find it, i cant see its hp so i have to guess when it is low enough for me to tame (as in my experience it reduces the chance of e shock death if its of lower hp, could be wrong though). Sometimes it works, sometimes we cant find or it dies on tame and our 20min-1hour effort is wasted.. which i tell you is quite frustrating. Add that to the risks mentioned previously when hunting in any decent cave (i am always watching and wondering who will attack me when i have pets lol).

Take this morning for example, once i had the khaz i went and spent 20 mins taming 4 browns... went to bdd. Rested my pets for what must have been 3 mins after i killed a mob on 1f as i tried to get through a door and someone killed the 4 browns. Which was slightly annoying, in the sense that its 20 mins of my time wasted. Its more the time wasted getting these pets and the risk involved, nuke the process to such an extent and it will just become obsolete, no one will bother with it.

I dont want wizards to be all mighty super pwning machines, i dont think the situation of us with pets will ever be the way you described unless the difference in strength of our pets and mobs we level on is such that in a fight any lures you / anyone did would get chewed up pretty quickly (i.e bug cave / st mobs) but as i said its rare you ll find someone around level 48 hunting in such places. 3 ghouls in bdd will occupy a level 7 khaz and 4 browns for at least 3-4 minutes. I know that from experience this morning so you can imagine what a decent size lure would do along with the odd attack from a level 45+ warrior. Dont really sound as terrifying as it does on paper does it? Lol.


P.s not all of us know how to use this magic lock thing... but if its what i think it is then we cant be moving whilst we attack anyway? Not that i want it in or anything there should be no autolock of any kind in my opinion

 

[grimlife]

As we said earlier tho, unless you find me hunting in bug cave, or maybe st3rd this is never going to occur. (I can assure you at level 48 i wont be hunting in any of these places) haha. Pretty much anywhere you attack a wiz (that has mobs that provide decent exp comparable to their level) you will have the advantage my friend of luring etc

and you have the advantage of using your FC/icestorm, and making him die from his own lures :P:lol


its all about how you handle the situation that shows whos the good player

"no pets where harmed in the making of this thread"

 

[deano13]

What about SWs? No mobs there? What happens when 2 3 4 5 wiz start turning with all these pets?

 

[Kinneas]

Well pets don't make them impossible to kill so focus them down, once they die they lose all their pets and the time/effort spent levelling them.

I don't think you're likely to see that many Wizzies running around with FT/CS at any one time anyway, considering how often they're killed for drops.

 

[stephens_l]

and you have the advantage of using your FC/icestorm, and making him die from his own lures :P:lol


its all about how you handle the situation that shows whos the good player

"no pets where harmed in the making of this thread"

Haha but as Kinneas says once that lure aggro's the pets then they are as good as dead and that time / effort is wasted. Its rare that you can tele away from a lure and youre pets will follow you unless they A. kill the mob or B. are killed themselves. or C. Not agro'd by the mob, i.e 4 of youre pets are but one escapes when you tele.

Also, i remember when captn kirk was luring on me in iwts, he could easily outpot my damage lol (even while killing an iwt) as without ff wizards cant really kill anyone with the standard skills.. but thats not the point.. As he was luring on me i was fc, slowing him etc and as soon as he got stuck he just r/ted then came back. Haha, thats my point, there is no way to remove the pets from danger atm, once they agro they are dead.

As a compromise i would be happy to have some sort of pet nuke if the gm thought it was necessary, as long as i had the facility to recall my pets out of danger... like what a tao can do..? Or even have them follow me on tele / room move regardless of what mobs are attacking them.. That would at least make me have to choose where i fought whoever was attacking me and give me a chance, rather than lure,mob agro and pet dead :P time wasted and fed up wiz going back to t storm / ff :P

 

[grimlife]

Haha but as Kinneas says once that lure aggro's the pets then they are as good as dead and that time / effort is wasted. Its rare that you can tele away from a lure and youre pets will follow you unless they A. kill the mob or B. are killed themselves. or C. Not agro'd by the mob, i.e 4 of youre pets are but one escapes when you tele.

As a compromise i would be happy to have some sort of pet nuke if the gm thought it was necessary, as long as i had the facility to recall my pets out of danger... like what a tao can do..? Or even have them follow me on tele / room move regardless of what mobs are attacking them.. That would at least make me have to choose where i fought whoever was attacking me and give me a chance, rather than lure,mob agro and pet dead :P time wasted and fed up wiz going back to t storm / ff :P

I think you hit the nail on the head there buddy!
IF you was given a "recall" option to teleport your pets to you at any time, no matter what state they are in i think this would be a win win for everyone??

Obviosly this recall option would need a cooldown, to stop it being abused!

 

[stephens_l]

I think you hit the nail on the head there buddy!
IF you was given a "recall" option to teleport your pets to you at any time, no matter what state they are in i think this would be a win win for everyone??

Obviosly this recall option would need a cooldown, to stop it being abused!

*likes this* Lol :P

Not sure how the recall option would be abused but perhaps a follow you on room move / r/t / TT would be easiest to implement. Not sure how they would make a recall function :S Obviously it would be nice but might be a bit complicated with all the other stuff they have going on.

 

[Koriban]

If there's no mobs to lure? Having a Fc hit you or khazard, + 5 frogs and the wiz hitting you near on every skill they cast ain't fun lol..

Only place where there's no mobs what-so-ever, are stand alone KR's (or PVP areas such as SW). Such as OKS, EM. And which point yes, that might be annoying but you should surely be group-fighting there where it's less of a problem (AoE Damage...) or you have your own wizz with pets to counter it. Frankly, if it were up to me, I'd disable pets in SW's or LMS's etc.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree the 1sub 4 pets thing should be allowed either. I personally think it should be 2subs, or 5normals. subs if you want to dps boss's / extra pvp power, 5normals if you want help lvling/tanking stuff.

I imagine getting 2 subs all to yourself is no easy feat, and they'd be so easy to nuke in a standalone fight. Unless they're Khazards. **** khazards. Warriors worst nightmare - should not be allowed to tame those lol.

As for the recall thing, wouldn't work. The pet would still aggro whatever it hit last, what you really need is an improved coded AI similar to how euro Deva was, that follows you and hits the last thing that hit you/it. You then need to be given "aggro focus" of the said pet in question. This means that pet will only go for who you've told it to go for. I feel this would make tao / wizz pets more useful. However as a compromise to this improved AI they'd probably need to be massively toned down on power.

 

[grimlife]

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree the 1sub 4 pets thing should be allowed either. I personally think it should be 2subs, or 5normals. subs if you want to dps boss's / extra pvp power, 5normals if you want help lvling/tanking stuff.

I imagine getting 2 subs all to yourself is no easy feat, and they'd be so easy to nuke in a standalone fight. Unless they're Khazards. **** khazards. Warriors worst nightmare - should not be allowed to tame those lol.

As for the recall thing, wouldn't work. The pet would still aggro whatever it hit last, what you really need is an improved coded AI similar to how euro Deva was, that follows you and hits the last thing that hit you/it. You then need to be given "aggro focus" of the said pet in question. This means that pet will only go for who you've told it to go for. I feel this would make tao / wizz pets more useful. However as a compromise to this improved AI they'd probably need to be massively toned down on power.

Why wouldnt it work? use a TT or RT, then click recall pets button........job done pets are saved. thats all people are asking for, theres no need to over complicate things.

Yeh 2 sub boss's wouldnt be over powered would they............
ofcourse anything can be nuked or called as a primary target, but then you can also nuke the person killing your pet as they would have to stand still to kill your pet, unless its a frost tiger, then you would be one stepping everywhere to try and hit it :lol


Everyone just wants to be OP'd..... :lol



When i said the recall option could be abused, i mean in the terms of, consistently recalling your pets over and over and over so noone could hit them atall or somthing silly like that.

 

[Foopah]

On Euro a 45+ Wizzie was able to tame two (that's 2, one more than one) Frost Tigers and still use his or her Mirroring spell. I know this because as A warrior on Euro one of my main duties was hunting FT's for wizzies to tame in my guild before hunts and of course carrying massive amounts of MP (A mule). Not sure if this was changed after I quit Euro but I remember wizzies having 2 FT's and not being able to tame any other mobs but being able to summon their mirror.

 

[Reverance]

On Euro a 45+ Wizzie was able to tame two (that's 2, one more than one) Frost Tigers and still use his or her Mirroring spell. I know this because as A warrior on Euro one of my main duties was hunting FT's for wizzies to tame in my guild before hunts and of course carrying massive amounts of MP (A mule). Not sure if this was changed after I quit Euro but I remember wizzies having 2 FT's and not being able to tame any other mobs but being able to summon their mirror.

At no point in Euro have I ever seen someone tame 2 FTs

 

[TheMasterGee]

Hmmm. In 50 million years of playing/hosting Mir, it's a first for me to hear that a pet just dies.

I've had untame to 1 pixel of health. And retamed things for days on end.

This apply to just the lone pets that get tamed ?

See from a warriors point of view, you turn up with 5 über pets and lock on skills.... Lil bit unfair dnt you think?

Think of it from the wizzes pov, for many a year it's been a thought that you can't stand next to a warrior as they 'could' 1 hit you. Nothing you can do about that, no rt/tt - nothing.