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its difficult to understand what you are even trying to say...
why complain in the first place then? its like you forgot your original comment i responded to, and just replied completely out of context.
**** off back to your 'rhythmical games' ... lol
Oh, and yeah i think you're a little like little bit retarded cause it was all directed at the second post the guy made the fact that wizards do not require any skill at all but yeah you seem to be one of the mongs who can't comprehend things properly.Keep playing the server so i won't see you anywhere else.
 

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I am not so much worried about cast speed on my tao, I have potions to heal me, others should bring the same, how dare they assume coz I can heal i will!

I am more concerned that I don't have 5 pets like a wizzie, if you could fix that no 1 would whine about cast speed any more.

Problem solved..
 

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Originally Posted by Samuel
Cast speed on Chronicles is faster than Ruby which is the closest comparison your going to get to euro, how your comparing the cast rate to a server you have not played in over 6 years I do not know.

Dunno what the issue is with Tao pets...
Skele higher damage lower defence
Shins higher defence lower damage
Deva medium and ranged...

Seems perfectly logical.

Sam



okey then flamefield should do the same damage as fireball cause it can hit 24 enemies and tdb should hit as hard as a normal auto attack cause they're both melee lets also force back slaying which also does the same damage as a normal attack cause it has to be "balanced"

Well, assassins hit hard maybemake them hit 50% of warrior damage cause they attack twice as fast.

archer need do same damage as wizard cause unfair for wizzard when spirit shot does more then lightning bolt they even get free mana when wiz don't

this is your logic .
Let's think about it properly now.

In mir2 euro skeletons were low level pets and never were that good to begin with they did their job and could help you kill monsters but they weren't any special.

At level 35 you'd finally get summon shinsu they did 3x the damage of skeletons moved faster were tankier they were an upgrade on every single front and tao started to be able to solo bosses easier then most classes.

level 38 from this moment tao's rised and shined as it'd only get better for them They gained summon holy deva.
Deva would always do around 20 damage hugged you and kited monsters / players whilst hitting them.
i think deva even pierced amc but not 100% shure abut that part but they always did 20ish dmg.

now Chronicles

a pet that should be worthless and is gained at level 19 is the best pet they have and the pets oly get worse the further up you go.
i mean how is a taosupposed to level at all without poisoncloud oh wait they have to leech a group. I guess nobody can play games on their own cause that's not how you envision a mmorpg. Well i got news for you not everyone want to be stuck to someone else to be able to play a game and making them kill underleveled monsters is just purely cruel.

if you ask me

reduce skeleton's damage by 30%

give shinsu's the damage of how skeleton's are right now with a little more .

buff deva up it ain't a knockback bot......

yes tao's will be aloot stronger in pvp but weren't they king of 1v1 pvp in the first place and if you want to be as close as official as possible i suggest you start tweaking them.


Jacko, are you retarded?
 

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Originally Posted by Samuel
Cast speed on Chronicles is faster than Ruby which is the closest comparison your going to get to euro, how your comparing the cast rate to a server you have not played in over 6 years I do not know.

Dunno what the issue is with Tao pets...
Skele higher damage lower defence
Shins higher defence lower damage
Deva medium and ranged...

Seems perfectly logical.

Sam



okey then flamefield should do the same damage as fireball cause it can hit 24 enemies and tdb should hit as hard as a normal auto attack cause they're both melee lets also force back slaying which also does the same damage as a normal attack cause it has to be "balanced"

Well, assassins hit hard maybemake them hit 50% of warrior damage cause they attack twice as fast.

archer need do same damage as wizard cause unfair for wizzard when spirit shot does more then lightning bolt they even get free mana when wiz don't

this is your logic .
Let's think about it properly now.

In mir2 euro skeletons were low level pets and never were that good to begin with they did their job and could help you kill monsters but they weren't any special.

At level 35 you'd finally get summon shinsu they did 3x the damage of skeletons moved faster were tankier they were an upgrade on every single front and tao started to be able to solo bosses easier then most classes.

level 38 from this moment tao's rised and shined as it'd only get better for them They gained summon holy deva.
Deva would always do around 20 damage hugged you and kited monsters / players whilst hitting them.
i think deva even pierced amc but not 100% shure abut that part but they always did 20ish dmg.

now Chronicles

a pet that should be worthless and is gained at level 19 is the best pet they have and the pets oly get worse the further up you go.
i mean how is a taosupposed to level at all without poisoncloud oh wait they have to leech a group. I guess nobody can play games on their own cause that's not how you envision a mmorpg. Well i got news for you not everyone want to be stuck to someone else to be able to play a game and making them kill underleveled monsters is just purely cruel.

if you ask me

reduce skeleton's damage by 30%

give shinsu's the damage of how skeleton's are right now with a little more .

buff deva up it ain't a knockback bot......

yes tao's will be aloot stronger in pvp but weren't they king of 1v1 pvp in the first place and if you want to be as close as official as possible i suggest you start tweaking them.


Jacko, are you retarded?

Hey atleast quote properly when trying to make fun of someone cause you're just insulting yourself now.
 

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Cast speed is fine i honestly do not know what you lot are crying about. Stop moaning and play you nubs!
 

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if you ask me

reduce skeleton's damage by 30%

Disagree, just simply reduce their walkspeed a little.

give shinsu's the damage of how skeleton's are right now with a little more

give shinsu's 20% more damage and remove 10% tankiness, keep Shinsu the same speed as it is (which is Official Euro Mir2 speed, funnily enough, starting to wonder if people ever played Euro) This makes Shinsu a suitable upgrade to skele's imo.


buff deva up it ain't a knockback bot......

Deva is fine as it is, in my honest opinion. 1v1 scenario Deva stops any and all melee classes from ever touching them. It was never meant to do and never did do, serious damage from ranged.

yes tao's will be aloot stronger in pvp but weren't they king of 1v1 pvp in the first place and if you want to be as close as official as possible i suggest you start tweaking them.

My opinions in red. Bare in mind I currently consider Tao's the best/most-needed class in-game currently for all situations, and if I ever find curse solo, I'm rerolling as a tao :P

I've played a wizz and a tao, and cast speed seemed fine to me. Honestly the real problem is how clunky pvp is on here, which directly relates to how clunky casting/melee is currently.
 
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My opinions in red. Bare in mind I currently consider Tao's the best/most-needed class in-game currently for all situations, and if I ever find curse solo, I'm rerolling as a tao :P

I've played a wizz and a tao, and cast speed seemed fine to me. Honestly the real problem is how clunky pvp is on here, which directly relates to how clunky casting/melee is currently.

Am basing my opinions on acem2 and i've heard the pets haven't changed since in which shinsu was nerfed cause sam said level 7 shinsu's were op.
So they do really terrible damage right now.

now as your opinion on blocking out melee classes. It's true it's what's such a pain about a tao but bare in mind that a wizzard can tame 5 big kektals and shoot any melee class to death whilst tao can't even kill a warrior when he's spamming shoulder dash a little unfair no?

And i do get the point that tao is a support, they are and i agree to that but diminishing a tao's damage to close to not really important is really a dicky move litterally the only classes which are remotely scared of a tao in 1v1 is assassin and archer cause they're more squishy than a tao.

Also a 20% damage increase on 8 damage is 1.6 more damages now your shinsu does a whopping 10 damage and around 18 damage at level 7 waiting to be killed by a couple archers in a fight cause they just love to kill your pets instead of you just so your shinsu becomes worthless again.

And asking for 20 flat damage each deva hit hit isn't much and if that's to much to ask atleast give it the range of those ranged monsters in the game atleast i could laugh at people trying to run away from a tao



Oh and just on topic, Casting speed is fine it's just global cooldown or whatever people keep calling it is pissing me off where i can cast skills inbetween others cause nope you just casted a skill you have to stand still and do nothing till the game decides you have done nothing for long enough
 
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Am basing my opinions on acem2 and i've heard the pets haven't changed since in which shinsu was nerfed cause sam said level 7 shinsu's were op.
So they do really terrible damage right now.

[Perhaps then the correct way of dealing with this is, making Shinsu scale much better with levels (3-7) so instead of say (EXAMPLE) +1mc per level, it's +3mc per level, so that tao's are rewarded for levelling their shinsu while lazy tao's will remain as they are]

now as your opinion on blocking out melee classes. It's true it's what's such a pain about a tao but bare in mind that a wizzard can tame 5 big kektals and shoot any melee class to death whilst tao can't even kill a warrior when he's spamming shoulder dash a little unfair no?

[Yes, it's fair. Why? Because once a wizzies pets are dead, they aren't coming back. Whenever I see a wizz with pets I entrap them and kill them, and proceed to pick off the wizzy. A tao's pets can be infinitely recast over and over again, so this is not an option. If you're having trouble killing wizzies, try red+green poising them AND their pets. They'll chug health pots like no tomorrow and eventually be forced to leave or their pets will die] [A good tao will never die to a same skilled warrior,wizzy,sin] [Archers are the class that destroy tao's]


And i do get the point that tao is a support, they are and i agree to that but diminishing a tao's damage to close to not really important is really a dicky move litterally the only classes which are remotely scared of a tao in 1v1 is assassin and archer cause they're more squishy than a tao

[Tao's damage over time and support-damage contribution is actually far greater than any class currently. Red poison contributes an extra 20% damage from all sources, which is huge, and green poison stops boss regen and deals damage over time. Supermeds in Full SC kit can tick 25hp from me per tick. If I was a wizz or sin or archer, can tell you now that without any HP pots, they're long dead by the time it runs out. All classes will guzzle pots at a quick rate if it's not puri'd quickly]


Also a 20% damage increase on 8 damage is 1.6 more damages now your shinsu does a whopping 10 damage and around 18 damage at level 7 waiting to be killed by a couple archers in a fight cause they just love to kill your pets instead of you just so your shinsu becomes worthless again.

[It'll be better than skeles and tank better than skeles. Can't help but feel you're asking for too much here]

And asking for 20 flat damage each deva hit hit isn't much and if that's to much to ask atleast give it the range of those ranged monsters in the game atleast i could laugh at people trying to run away from a tao
[Lets not be silly now. Ranged mobs on here need adjusting, it's been reported, but nothing has been done yet sadly. Extra 20 damage is asking for a lot on a class that already gives so much. You're not a damage class. Point is deva is meant to get aggro and once it gets aggro it'll die instantly in pve scenarios so it's useless for this - it's a pvp tool and currently does its job perfectly. Smart players will lure mobs onto it, smart tao's will resummon it to a less crowded position]

Oh and just on topic, Casting speed is fine it's just global cooldown or whatever people keep calling it is pissing me off where i can cast skills inbetween others cause nope you just casted a skill you have to stand still and do nothing till the game decides you have done nothing for long enough

Answers in red again. I get the feeling you're just another "I want an undeserved buff to my class" type of person. You've yet to give me any solid reason as to why, besides shinsu which I completely agree with, everything else is just unneeded.

Casting speed is fine because spells don't need to be cast faster as mentioned.

Global cooldown being reduced, even if by 0.1, is a significant buff to casting classes that I feel people don't understand how serious it is and would need to be severely tested before hand on a test server before messing around with it. Anyone who's created a server knows what I'm talking about.

Sorry for late reply, boss lurking over shoulder and what-not.
 

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Answers in red again. I get the feeling you're just another "I want an undeserved buff to my class" type of person. You've yet to give me any solid reason as to why, besides shinsu which I completely agree with, everything else is just unneeded.

Casting speed is fine because spells don't need to be cast faster as mentioned.

Global cooldown being reduced, even if by 0.1, is a significant buff to casting classes that I feel people don't understand how serious it is and would need to be severely tested before hand on a test server before messing around with it. Anyone who's created a server knows what I'm talking about.

Sorry for late reply, boss lurking over shoulder and what-not.

It's not that i really want tons of buffs ( and i mean a level 7 deva) deva should do atleast some damage and not just dat knockback pet cause frankly skeles even do that better atm.

I can see what you mean with castspeeds but if warrior and sin their cunkyness would be fixed in pvp and wizzies and tao's would have the same casting cooldown a warrior would just **** on anything in this server in pvp .(i can understand why you 'd want this :) )

as for wizzard pets i guess you haven't fought a wizz with 5 level 7 kektals 1v1 it's prettymuch hi get hit , (kektals do not bugg out stand still for 8 seconds **** monai bug) they each it you for 40-50 damage aaaaaand you have to rt. not to mention when wizzies get crystal spider or frost tiger to back em up (atleast you can't tame 5 of them nowadays) but the disparity between the strength 1v1 of a tao and most other classes is too high , cause if I'm correct wasn't tao the king of 1v1 on euro and prettymuch every official server?

Anyways let's just do samuel does something about monster ranges and shinsu so it actually becomes a worthwile pet the rest is a dream that i won't see coming true anyways
 

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Not all that many videos of Euro Mir I could find but:

[video=youtube;FGQN3w_nSLQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGQN3w_nSLQ[/video]

Not particularly scientific but it does show a wiz continuously tbolting. How long do people think between casts there? 2.5 seconds?

Healing on that vid at end is easily 1.5x maybe 2x as fast as Chronicles is atm. I remember playing a tao and being able to heal someone 4-5 times, then stop and do other **** for 10secs before having to heal again, on here if you cast ONE spell between heals the health stops going up cos it's so slow.

As someone said - support class - lack of dps: fair enough, but lack of healing is just ridiculous. If a tao can't heal, we might as well all reroll.

In reply to Sam: We remember how it was playing a server 6 years ago because we played every day for 6 years. It's like telling us "how the hell do you remember how to tie your shoes after so long wearing sandals?" You remember how **** was, and if the general concensus is that it's slower than it was (which it is), does that not tell you something?

In regards to the pets, the shinsu is slower than IIVIIace, skeles are fine, and deva is apparently blind and walking 2 spaces away from stuff before attacking. "Don't know what's wrong with pets"? Been enough posts about it.

Cast speeds the main bugbear for me, cba playing tao unless I can actually support a group properly.
 

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Oh, and yeah i think you're a little like little bit retarded cause it was all directed at the second post the guy made the fact that wizards do not require any skill at all but yeah you seem to be one of the mongs who can't comprehend things properly.Keep playing the server so i won't see you anywhere else.

you have done it again haven't you?
keep trying though .. :)

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Hey atleast quote properly when trying to make fun of someone cause you're just insulting yourself now.

hey at least troll properly when you're trying to.
you can barely type anything coherent, but attempt trolling because of how a post was submitted?
wow
 

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you have done it again haven't you?
keep trying though .. :)

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hey at least troll properly when you're trying to.
you can barely type anything coherent, but attempt trolling because of how a post was submitted?
wow

Attempting to troll, look in the mirror and for the record not everyone is born in England and speaks perfect English but you should be able to make up anything out of it unless you're a mong. Which you certainly seem to be.
 

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Cast speed = ****ed
Melee Pvp = ****ed

Overall Mir Experience = ****ed

You cant say your servers trying to bring back the Euro feel when you completely **** up the mechanics of the classes/PVP.

Sam, i think its about time to admit you was wrong and "un-fix" the "Bugs" you claimed to over "fixed".
 

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Cast speed = ****ed
Melee Pvp = ****ed

Overall Mir Experience = ****ed

You cant say your servers trying to bring back the Euro feel when you completely **** up the mechanics of the classes/PVP.

Sam, i think its about time to admit you was wrong and "un-fix" the "Bugs" you claimed to over "fixed".

i tend to agree, its just not fun to play atm, boring infact. sooo much has been tinkered with that was fine, its a step backwards not the leap forward we hoped for.
im playing in hope it can be turned around.
 

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Attempting to troll, look in the mirror and for the record not everyone is born in England and speaks perfect English but you should be able to make up anything out of it unless you're a mong. Which you certainly seem to be.

you really are stupid.
following a chain of responses has nothing to do with mother tongue. you don't even remember what you originally posted or what you are standing up for - your only concern is to minimise humiliation at this point.

reported you naturally.
 

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you really are stupid.
following a chain of responses has nothing to do with mother tongue. you don't even remember what you originally posted or what you are standing up for - your only concern is to minimise humiliation at this point.

reported you naturally.
On the massive post i made i was talking Bout sams vision on pets and was reflecting that towards all other classes with extreme examples like flamefield should hit the same as fireball cause it hits 24 monsters. If you cant even comprehend a context i guess youre still in middle school and you lack alot of cultural wisdom