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[Azz]

Wow loads of ppl raging.

Imo mb is a slight op but nothing major! I stopped lvling my wiz cause I'm lazy so can't comment on using a wiz with mb. But from my warr (lvl 45) I have to be careful pvping a wiz with mb. 1st off they are 3 lvls above me so yes I expect them to hurt... So what? Doesn't stop me trying with a lucky hit with fs or 2 good tdb I can still drop them. Get some speed items and flinch them. My dc isn't anything special prob about 105ish.

It's a lvl48 spell it's gonna hurt, just stay away while it's active! And with lvl3 that person wud be a hell of alot higher than me! So wud expect them to kick me ass, if they no how to play that is.

Also ppl moaning about wiz clone on warriors.... Please learn to use ur class

 

[Rollcage]

suggest you keep your hp full and stop crying about other classes when wiz are completely broken...

countless threads to confirm....

also another point is (if archer are so OP and other things why are the Mods/Gms shown archers some love? and making them better?)

your just moaning cause you died... for someone who plays a wiz you sure as hell cry.

0 skill playing a class who can walk round spamming FF and 1 hitting anything in there way.



out of interest whats you wizards name?

Adaephon...and i have more hp than most wiz at my lvl
gms are gonna give archers a buff cos 99% of u cant use the class properly, no im not moaning cause i died u mug, i dont even consider other classes to be OP im just showing u how stupid it is to call wiz OP cos of what we can do, but apparently everyone else who can do nice damage is A-ok.

countless threads to confirm? idiot, countless ppl crying cos a wiz flattened them does not prove wiz are OP, i go back to my previous point, how many ppl could cry about getting 1 hit by warrs or sins or archers? if the forum suddenly gets flooded by tears of that nature will u call for them to be nerf'd?

as for no skill playing a wiz? go play one, see how long u last.

 

[KingTony]

Adaephon...and i have more hp than most wiz at my lvl
gms are gonna give archers a buff cos 99% of u cant use the class properly, no im not moaning cause i died u mug, i dont even consider other classes to be OP im just showing u how stupid it is to call wiz OP cos of what we can do, but apparently everyone else who can do nice damage is A-ok.

countless threads to confirm? idiot, countless ppl crying cos a wiz flattened them does not prove wiz are OP, i go back to my previous point, how many ppl could cry about getting 1 hit by warrs or sins or archers? if the forum suddenly gets flooded by tears of that nature will u call for them to be nerf'd?

as for no skill playing a wiz? go play one, see how long u last.

sorry to burst your bubble but you're a **** wizz.

 

[Rollcage]

sorry to burst your bubble but you're a **** wizz.

yes, ur dc+2 great fox ring can attest to that cant it.

 

[reecew]

yes, ur dc+2 great fox ring can attest to that cant it.

so he didnt one hit you? with AB?

oh dear your posts have all been terrible lie then... tony had most DC as archer and if he cant kill you one hit who did?

next moan?

 

[Rollcage]

so he didnt one hit you? with AB?

oh dear your posts have all been terrible lie then... tony had most DC as archer and if he cant kill you one hit who did?

next moan?

no he didnt, and no he didnt..lol tash had most dc and i think it was bard who 1 hit me

 

[NorthStar]

This is not about war vs wiz....

Tao, Archer, Sin cant walk up to a wiz(with shield up) and 1 hit them, in fact they probably get killed for getting too close... to a ranged class.....

Archers can own wiz if they are good, wiz can own archer.. if there good.

Sins absolutely wreak wiz if they get in before there hp is down.

IMO MB damage is fine. What needs changing is the way flame field does damage. At the moment ff hits the same damage every square, on other servers each square in ff does its own damage calculation. This will stop high lvl wiz from walking into a group and hitting consistent damage on every person in ff range.

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so he didnt one hit you? with AB?

oh dear your posts have all been terrible lie then... tony had most DC as archer and if he cant kill you one hit who did?

next moan?

Tony can one hit me eazy with shield down. Most archers looks for this from a timing aspect. Piercing shot takes half of any wiz hp through shield....

 

[Muh]

so he didnt one hit you? with AB?

oh dear your posts have all been terrible lie then... tony had most DC as archer and if he cant kill you one hit who did?

next moan?

With a crit ab and lk 3 red pois shield drop, a archer can hit 400% my HP pool.
I am overpowered as ****? FF is so easy to cast/auto run off, deal with it.
Speed 8 Rapes/AB/SS+Fatal Sword...
Dno y I quoted you

 

[reecew]

right so same goes for Archer vs Wiz

if archer is red psn'd they will most definitely be 1 hit by wiz with FF to trying to walk up to wiz.. archer have to wait for the shield to drop to even have a chance and if your silly enough to stick about with no shield up that's just stupid.

so if archer can get next to a wiz to do that i have no idea how your playing your wizard? like a warrior?

i noticed wiz class acting like rambo with magic booster is up... Lkira tried this and it didn't work so if your playing same style you need to revise how your playing.

not to mention archers can be one hit by wiz from range not just melee range.

 

[Kalamonde]

Lol @ pan and crew trying to say wiz op cos they cba to put in the effort to lvl there chars/get some skills.

ive leveled 4 different chars on this server, if i stuck to one instead of rerolling id probaly be 50ish :O

Pan, MB wasnt on ace.
your asking for reasons why MB isnt op, but no ones giving u a reply so u must be right? this argument has been goin on for months, no ones answering u cos its all been said. as for u being "unbiased" and "the best player ever" dont be an ass..ur 100% biased, u have no spells on ur wiz at all to even make these kind of comments, but its ok to ignore the glaring OPness of ur own chosen class this time round (warrior).

In short, shut up pan.

no but the stats it gives were known, anybody that aint a blind "omfg ill be so OP with that spell" mong would have seen that as OP
it may have all been said before or defended before but i can still raise my opinion on it, im not calling people noobs for asking for balance im asking those people to give reasons but they dont!
i didnt say i was right or wrong i suggested a 8-8 cap, like i did when i said lightbody should be upped to agil 8 and i also remember saying letting warriors turn slaying off shouldnt be added! and leaving a tdb delay :P

i dont have a wiz to play on this server but i know the class well enough to comment about it, i kicked your tits about enough on ace rollcage when i had a wiz, so you shut up rollage :P

IMO MB damage is fine.

magic booster does not do damage.... jeeeesus



/Pan

 

[Rollcage]

ive leveled 4 different chars on this server, if i stuck to one instead of rerolling id probaly be 50ish :O






no but the stats it gives were known, anybody that aint a blind "omfg ill be so OP with that spell" mong would have seen that as OP
it may have all been said before or defended before but i can still raise my opinion on it, im not calling people noobs for asking for balance im asking those people to give reasons but they dont!
i didnt say i was right or wrong i suggested a 8-8 cap, like i did when i said lightbody should be upped to agil 8 and i also remember saying letting warriors turn slaying off shouldnt be added! and leaving a tdb delay :P

i dont have a wiz to play on this server but i know the class well enough to comment about it, i kicked your tits about enough on ace rollcage when i had a wiz, so you shut up rollage :P




magic booster does not do damage.... jeeeesus



/Pan

litterally never "kicked my tits about" lol and if you think wiz on here is same as wiz on ace ur sadly mistaken, like i said, play ur wiz, see how well u do

 

[Destinyy]

Make it so magic resistance actually affects wizzies.... Job done... I for one, would stack loads of that **** :P

 

[CantTouchThis]

I'm still gonna go for the captain obvious approach and point out some simple facts for people to discuss.

Wizzies are arguably the fastest lvling class. At 52/lvl 3 MB, its an extra 24-24 mc.
Even at lvl 2 MB, blizz can do 160+ a tick and ticks for 5 hits. Yep, that's 800 damage from an AOE spell that you dont need to be precise with.

FF with lvl 2 MB does 500+ damage, again without the need to aim.

Yes, a warrior can 2 hit a wizz with TDB or if theyre VERY lucky they can 1 hit them, but they have to connect the hit and against a decent wizard that's actually bloody difficult. They have to be right next to them and hope the wizz doesnt move. Also if the wizz is half decent, all they have to do is predict the warr's approach, lay a blizz/met and then hold FF so then when the warr does finally trudge through the 800 damage blizz/ff and get next to the wizz then BAM, theyre hit with a 500 damage FF.

To '1 hit' a wizz, an archer has to be next to them and get a very lucky hit. And then theyre putting themselved at great risk from one of those 500+ FFs.

As for sins, quite frankly sod even trying to kill a wizz with lvl 2 or 3 MB because if theyre worth their salt a sin should stand no chance. They just dont have the hp pool to tank a beastly FF, and their hits dont pierce shield.

Taos arent a dps class so shouldnt be able to easily kill a wizz, but ive seen a 52+ wizz kill a 46 tao in 3 ticks of blizz with regularity. And its not like the tao can escape the AOE.

I dont think people are calling for a complete nerf but i think theyre asking for a balance. Anyway, hope this is some food for thought.

 

[Rollcage]

I'm still gonna go for the captain obvious approach and point out some simple facts for people to discuss.

Wizzies are arguably the fastest lvling class. At 52/lvl 3 MB, its an extra 24-24 mc.
Even at lvl 2 MB, blizz can do 160+ a tick and ticks for 5 hits. Yep, that's 800 damage from an AOE spell that you dont need to be precise with.

FF with lvl 2 MB does 500+ damage, again without the need to aim.

Yes, a warrior can 2 hit a wizz with TDB or if theyre VERY lucky they can 1 hit them, but they have to connect the hit and against a decent wizard that's actually bloody difficult. They have to be right next to them and hope the wizz doesnt move. Also if the wizz is half decent, all they have to do is predict the warr's approach, lay a blizz/met and then hold FF so then when the warr does finally trudge through the 800 damage blizz/ff and get next to the wizz then BAM, theyre hit with a 500 damage FF.

To '1 hit' a wizz, an archer has to be next to them and get a very lucky hit. And then theyre putting themselved at great risk from one of those 500+ FFs.

As for sins, quite frankly sod even trying to kill a wizz with lvl 2 or 3 MB because if theyre worth their salt a sin should stand no chance. They just dont have the hp pool to tank a beastly FF, and their hits dont pierce shield.

Taos arent a dps class so shouldnt be able to easily kill a wizz, but ive seen a 52+ wizz kill a 46 tao in 3 ticks of blizz with regularity. And its not like the tao can escape the AOE.

I dont think people are calling for a complete nerf but i think theyre asking for a balance. Anyway, hope this is some food for thought.

where are u getting ur info? i cant hit 160 per tick with blizz at all, i cant hit over 500 with FF...i have lvl 2mb, these numbers ur claiming are pure lies lol i cant even hit over 400 with my ff and my blizz tops out at 117 with a total mc of 46-88 even when im ued with magic drug on i can hit maybe 420 at best with ff and 125 with blizz.

no one is suggesting that an archer SHOULD try to 1 hit a wiz, very few could handle that kind of sitation, my point was that archers do crazy single target damage, i dont even know where to start on how much hassle fighting a good archer is or the skills at thier disposal.

an assasin has 2 skills which make killing wizzies a fairy simple matter, if u use em even half right ur gonna win that fight.

as for taos...a good tao wont die in 3 ticks of blizz cos its so easy to stop a wiz using blizz on a tao. ur talking about wiz that are worth thier salt, how about some ppl who are worth thier salt on these other classes?

all of this is beside the point at any rate, ive explained before what mb actually gives u damage wise, but ppl still cant seem to understand.

 

[peterpan]

Very well explained. Without any of the hysterics or obvious bias.
Wiz dont have to aim FF, there is no defence against it and MB makes it unstoppable.
Everyone else has to target a single player which is difficult on this server anyway, get close to the wiz through other spells or FF and then survive the damage even with the new flinch and the sunpot adjustment.
How many players can kill an MB wiz on their own?

 

[Jiggy]

I'm still gonna go for the captain obvious approach and point out some simple facts for people to discuss.

Wizzies are arguably the fastest lvling class. At 52/lvl 3 MB, its an extra 24-24 mc.
Even at lvl 2 MB, blizz can do 160+ a tick and ticks for 5 hits. Yep, that's 800 damage from an AOE spell that you dont need to be precise with.

At lv 2 MB blizz can do 100ish a tick (with good mc) for 5 hits if you walk back and forth through it like an idiot. It is far easier to hit someone with a single target skill or Icestorm than with blizzard because it takes ages to cast and can easily be dodged/out run.

FF with lvl 2 MB does 500+ damage, again without the need to aim.

FF with lv2 MB can reach 250-300ish (the odd touching 400) damage with very good mc.

Yes, a warrior can 2 hit a wizz with TDB or if theyre VERY lucky they can 1 hit them, but they have to connect the hit and against a decent wizard that's actually bloody difficult. They have to be right next to them and hope the wizz doesnt move. Also if the wizz is half decent, all they have to do is predict the warr's approach, lay a blizz/met and then hold FF so then when the warr does finally trudge through the 800 damage blizz/ff and get next to the wizz then BAM, theyre hit with a 500 damage FF.

Dash Dash Dash Dash through anything and everything without taking any damage.
800+500? Get real.

To '1 hit' a wizz with shield up, an archer has to be next to them and get a very lucky hit. And then theyre putting themselved at great risk from one of those 300+ FFs.

As for sins, quite frankly sod even trying to kill a wizz with lvl 2 or 3 MB because if theyre worth their salt a sin should stand no chance. They just dont have the hp pool to tank a beastly FF, and their hits dont pierce shield.

Just nonsense. If you have SS, just wait until blizz is cast, SS on them and drop them fairly easy. Wait until MB is down if u have any sense.

Taos arent a dps class so shouldnt be able to easily kill a wizz, but ive seen a 52+ wizz kill a 46 tao in 3 ticks of blizz with regularity. And its not like the tao can escape the AOE.

The tao should try using a pot.

I dont think people are calling for a complete nerf but i think theyre asking for a balance. Anyway, hope this is some food for thought.

Facts? Lol.

 

[horton]

i saw magic booster being OP on the last server and that was well over a year ago... just saying!

its never too late to change anything, just needs the dev team to have some balls! longer it get ignored worse it gets, happened with the first TU nerf, the fastest leveling class moaning about having to level slower but still being the fast class to level.... they got over it

/pan

Yeah anything can be changed
1f foxes, drop files, decisions.
There will be a reaction then people will just get on with it.
Wiz are broken. I do not know how to fix them, mp consumption isnt it though

 

[CantTouchThis]

Unfortunately im on a phone so cant do all the posh quoting stuff.

I'm getting my info from having been on the end of that sort of damage.

Jiggy: with lvl 2 MB blizz does way more than 100 a tick, this is fact and this is a prime example of why youre biased. I'm calling you out on this one and if you're smart you'll save yourself some embarrassment by just admitting you've deliberately misrepresented the figures in the interest of defending your own class. Also, even if the target doesnt 'walk back and forth like an idiot' it still ticks 3-4 times. Again, you know this, i know this, everyone on this thread knows this.

FF with lvl 2 MB does 400+ on a good hit, as adae has ststed. Again, stop deliberately understating the figures here.

800+500 is possible at lvl 3 MB, again because ive seen it/been on the receiving end of it.

Actually, a sin needs to wait until MB AND shield are down to stand any chance, which is a tiny window.

Finally, thanks to the recent sunpot delay that was introduced, 'using a pot' is no longer a valid argument. Likewise, flinching a wizz who's casting blizz is easier said than done, particularly when the 3 ticks that are needed are done within 1.5 seconds. Unless they've got the reactions of a cat and aren't busy doing taoisty things like poi/puri/res/buff/rev this is much easier said than done.

 

[Rollcage]

Unfortunately im on a phone so cant do all the posh quoting stuff.

I'm getting my info from having been on the end of that sort of damage.

Jiggy: with lvl 2 MB blizz does way more than 100 a tick, this is fact and this is a prime example of why youre biased. I'm calling you out on this one and if you're smart you'll save yourself some embarrassment by just admitting you've deliberately misrepresented the figures in the interest of defending your own class. Also, even if the target doesnt 'walk back and forth like an idiot' it still ticks 3-4 times. Again, you know this, i know this, everyone on this thread knows this.

FF with lvl 2 MB does 400+ on a good hit, as adae has ststed. Again, stop deliberately understating the figures here.

800+500 is possible at lvl 3 MB, again because ive seen it/been on the receiving end of it.

Actually, a sin needs to wait until MB AND shield are down to stand any chance, which is a tiny window.

Finally, thanks to the recent sunpot delay that was introduced, 'using a pot' is no longer a valid argument. Likewise, flinching a wizz who's casting blizz is easier said than done, particularly when the 3 ticks that are needed are done within 1.5 seconds. Unless they've got the reactions of a cat and aren't busy doing taoisty things like poi/puri/res/buff/rev this is much easier said than done.

feel free to come ingame and ill show u my damage with the mc i just stated, then feel free to eat ur hat/hair for "misrepresenting the numbers"

theres 3 or 4 ppl i know of that can do over 400 damage with ff, and they all have more mc than me and lvl 3 booster, like i said in my post i cant break 400 with my mc unless ue+magic drug which would put me at around 100 mc.

flinching a wizard is the simplest of matters, i know of plenty of taos who use thier class properly and becuase of that they are a pain in the ass to kill 1v1 nm in groups.

you have also misunderstood how mc affects blizzard, lvl 2mb = +18-18 mc, which adds around 15-20 damage per tick, so even with lvl 2 mb ud need at least 60 mc to even get close to 100 damage per tick (on ppl).

 

[evilwomann]

Those figures are madness sorry, that's my sorta damage(ish) and I got abit more mc than jiggy...