Converting Archers from DC to MC

[Razarus]

I try to attack generally by running away ...I'm good at that...trouble is so many team warrs are faster than me . God knows why I'm on an uber PCwith 150mb con..so I ff while running not toe to toe that's silly..

Yeah, so saying that wiz are not OP because your slower than someone isn't the best argument.
My point all along is that its silly to say this is OP or that's OP if you are slower than someone.
You simply are not fast enough to use your characters advantages(OPness) and it is a shame and very frustrating that speed dictates so much of who wins a fight.

 

[Phawk]

There would be no skill if everyone was the same speed, it would be about who had better stats on their kit. Cue more cries that someone has better kit.

This is Mir, there is no "true skill"

No true skill? At the moment there is no skill; it is whoever can tweak their PC to run Mir the fastest. That's not skill in Mir, that's skill in geekiness.


/Mark

 

[HokusPokus]

Yeah, so saying that wiz are not OP because your slower than someone isn't the best argument.
My point all along is that its silly to say this is OP or that's OP if you are slower than someone.
You simply are not fast enough to use your characters advantages(OPness) and it is a shame and very frustrating that speed dictates so much of who wins a fight.

dont want to piss on your bonfire raz,but you really should not tarnish all wizzes with OPness (fast or slow) the Op effect comes at lvl 52 and lvl3 Mbooster...until that point most wizzes like myself had to endure 1 hits/countless pks/ hours taming/and basically an unplayable character(early days)now to be told fkin OP....EDITED expletive

 

[ILovePie:D]

No true skill? At the moment there is no skill; it is whoever can tweak their PC to run Mir the fastest. That's not skill in Mir, that's skill in geekiness.


/Mark

And if everyone was the same speed, it would boil down to who had the better kit/level, and you'd still get cries. People would moan because they couldn't commit to XX hours of Mir, and others would be able to play full time from their dole office.

People are quicker due to speccing their PC's for mir, why shouldn't this make you faster? Should you not be quicker running on a newer PC, than one you used to use for Mir back in euro days?

I've not tweaked anything on my PC to try and run this mir any quicker, I built a PC a couple of years ago, and it's basic settings, yet I still run a lot quicker than most on here.

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dont want to piss on your bonfire raz,but you really should not tarnish all wizzes with OPness (fast or slow) the Op effect comes at lvl 52 and lvl3 Mbooster...until that point most wizzes like myself had to endure 1 hits/countless pks/ hours taming/and basically an unplayable character(early days)now to be told fkin OP....EDITED explitive

Level 3 flamefield was always VERY powerful, this is gained at level 45.

Yes, Wiz were gash in the early days of the server, but they are very dominant now.

Wiz are designed to be squishy, they deal great damage, but they should also have very little defense, you're running around in cloth! You have an overpowered magic shield, which is better than any mir I can remember.

 

[HokusPokus]

Wiz are designed to be squishy, they deal great damage, but they should also have very little defense, you're running around in cloth! You have an overpowered magic shield, which is better than any mir I can remember.

arcadias shield miles better , tdb, lucked weapon with a high dc warr hits through shield like butter your post translated (sometimes i fail to kill the high lvl wizards in 1 hit...please get rid of that damn shield so i can 1 hit them everytime)

 

[ILovePie:D]

arcadias shield miles better , tdb, lucked weapon with a high dc warr hits through shield like butter your post translated (sometimes i fail to kill the high lvl wizards in 1 hit...please get rid of that damn shield so i can 1 hit them everytime)

I have a wizard, why would I want that to happen? As I stated, the shield on here is greater than other servers i've played (Granted it's not many, i'm clearly not a mir expert like you... take from that as you will) I also don't play a warrior on this server. So your post is irrelivent.

TDB has always cut through shield, not both hits, just the first one IIRC (Jamie should be able to confirm this) and the second avoids defenses?

 

[Azz]

I have a wizard, why would I want that to happen? As I stated, the shield on here is greater than other servers i've played (Granted it's not many, i'm clearly not a mir expert like you... take from that as you will) I also don't play a warrior on this server. So your post is irrelivent.

TDB has always cut through shield, not both hits, just the first one IIRC (Jamie should be able to confirm this) and the second avoids defenses?

I think it's the second hit that cuts thru shield and ignores other stats, hence why the second hit is always stronger. This has always been the same.

I also think shield is too strong, however I remember it lasting longer on euro but not at strong.

Cud be wrong about shield tho haha

ssgohan

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Back on topic tho I think this is a great idea, 2 classes per stat to even out the server and prices

 

[ziiid]

arcadias shield miles better , tdb, lucked weapon with a high dc warr hits through shield like butter your post translated (sometimes i fail to kill the high lvl wizards in 1 hit...please get rid of that damn shield so i can 1 hit them everytime)

LMAO your saying it is bad if a warrior SOMETIMES can 1 hit you, when they have to actually catch you and be beside you and land the hit yet it is OK for the Wizard who can 1 hit 3/4 classes without aiming with a 3X3 aoe while running around and this being completely unmitigatable and impossible to dodge or get away from......You sir are a fountain of wisdom.
PS.saw a 503 damage flame field the other day

 

[muffinpie]

I voted against the change just because im to lazy to fund buying an mc kit for my archer, but after reading everything posted its whats best for the overall balance of the server and i agree it needs to be done even if i don't want it.

Hokus you don't run and cast FF ever you RT or TT as soon as you get hit everyone in game knows this to be a fact incase you deny it, on the few occasions we've spoken you seem quite smart and you do only have the best interests of the server on your mind, but now you seem to just be acting like a spoiled child, your posts translate roughly to NO MC IS FOR WIZZIES ONLY AND YOU CANT MAKE ME SHARE (basically your dummy fell out and you threw all your toys out the pram). So whats your real issue here? Y U MAD DOE?

 

[Silencer]

LMAO your saying it is bad if a warrior SOMETIMES can 1 hit you, when they have to actually catch you and be beside you and land the hit yet it is OK for the Wizard who can 1 hit 3/4 classes without aiming with a 3X3 aoe while running around and this being completely unmitigatable and impossible to dodge or get away from......You sir are a fountain of wisdom.
PS.saw a 503 damage flame field the other day

I've seen even higher mate, pure madness.

 

[Azz]

I've seen even higher mate, pure madness.

Is this from ew? Remind me to avoid lol

ssgohan

 

[Mystickiller]

I've been hit by near 500's by 2 particular wizzys. Pretty sad when a wiz can 2 hit a war from 3 spots away and never have to even worry about us hitting them. Nearly 1 hit on a sin, 1 hit most times on archer.

 

[Koriban]

Blizz and Meteor had cool down befor the nerf,just dint have stop on flinch.

Holly do u think 1200+hp +BDA aspeed +6 DC130 TDB nonstop+FS isn't OP???
On this server wizz r not liked,so i play a sin now.

... Remind me how many storm gems (you know, 20-25m a pop) you'd need to acquire that type of speed as well as the kit you'd need, and a BDA you say? Oh aye that'll cost you another 100m+ buddy.

Warriors are OP endgame because they have to work for it. No offence but if you saw a level 50 warrior in full DC kit with no a.speed no acc no added dc in a very normal standard kit, you'd absolutely laugh at his damage and at the fact that when he does catch you, his 0.aspeed wont even let him hit you twice before you move off!

Sigh, this is off topic and I apologise but it's frustrating people comparing classes thinking they're OP when one class requires 10x more effort than the other to obtain such status.

I voted I don't play an Archer but make the conversion specifically because with the Monk class coming it'll even out the tree of DC/MC/SC items per class. Archers can then start wearing five string sets etc for a boost of HP and maybe they'll start surviving in fights. I think making Archers MC based is vital if that class is ever going to get a step into the game.

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No true skill? At the moment there is no skill; it is whoever can tweak their PC to run Mir the fastest. That's not skill in Mir, that's skill in geekiness.


/Mark

If everyones the same speed, then the "pay2win" becomes a huge problem when people like Jeras and No4 can literally hold shift and will gaurantee hits on you.

Currently with speed differentials you can at the very least out manouver them and "outplay" them by stopping their dashes and bursting them down with other people.

2 sides to a coin, the game wouldn't automatically be better (these files at least) if everyone was the same speed.

 

[ziiid]

... Remind me how many storm gems (you know, 20-25m a pop) you'd need to acquire that type of speed as well as the kit you'd need, and a BDA you say? Oh aye that'll cost you another 100m+ buddy.

Warriors are OP endgame because they have to work for it. No offence but if you saw a level 50 warrior in full DC kit with no a.speed no acc no added dc in a very normal standard kit, you'd absolutely laugh at his damage and at the fact that when he does catch you, his 0.aspeed wont even let him hit you twice before you move off!

Sigh, this is off topic and I apologise but it's frustrating people comparing classes thinking they're OP when one class requires 10x more effort than the other to obtain such status.

I voted I don't play an Archer but make the conversion specifically because with the Monk class coming it'll even out the tree of DC/MC/SC items per class. Archers can then start wearing five string sets etc for a boost of HP and maybe they'll start surviving in fights. I think making Archers MC based is vital if that class is ever going to get a step into the game.

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End game war does get a little crazy with the hp and damage and utility that they have compared to sins/archer/tao, but as you said its relatively uncommon because it is sooooooo expensive to do. There is potentially some tweaks they can do to make the top end warrior more in line with others, but wizard is so far out and isn't as rare as it isn't expensive at all.....Could you imagine a wiz with equivelent gear? Prolly have 100+MC. 500 +hp and then MR and PR just to make it worse, with luck 7.

 

[Jicaa]

Was this actually decided? Still think it would be a superb change for when Monk is introduced

 

[GimmeAKitKat]

Speaking from a warriors perspective, I don't see all that much wrong with wizzies shields as they are, perhaps other than saying id prefer if they couldn't continue running after casting it.

As for archers im not sure why people continue to talk as if they are unplayable. Top end they are 1 hitting high lvl warriors. Any change for them I think should be a trade off, less damage for more survivability.

Change to MC seems only logical to me. Would give a lot more balance to item prices and gear outside the top 5% of players.

 

[muffinpie]

After Zelz i've got the second highest dc of any archer in game id say and i'm not 1 hitting any high level warriors so i dont know where you got that, fyi i've got 117 dc with a buff, if i was to borrow tori's kit id have 131 dc with a buff and still can't 1 hit a high level warrior, i also have to get next to people to do insane damage ad a high level warrior can 2 hit me, so your point is invalid

 

[Silencer]

After Zelz i've got the second highest dc of any archer in game id say and i'm not 1 hitting any high level warriors so i dont know where you got that, fyi i've got 117 dc with a buff, if i was to borrow tori's kit id have 131 dc with a buff and still can't 1 hit a high level warrior, i also have to get next to people to do insane damage ad a high level warrior can 2 hit me, so your point is invalid

After anyone, I'm the highest DC Tao ingame when I borrow Tori's kit xx

 

[ILovePie:D]

After Zelz i've got the second highest dc of any archer in game id say and i'm not 1 hitting any high level warriors so i dont know where you got that, fyi i've got 117 dc with a buff, if i was to borrow tori's kit id have 131 dc with a buff and still can't 1 hit a high level warrior, i also have to get next to people to do insane damage ad a high level warrior can 2 hit me, so your point is invalid

You'd have over 140DC in Tori's kit.

 

[Carribean]

After Zelz i've got the second highest dc of any archer in game id say and i'm not 1 hitting any high level warriors so i dont know where you got that, fyi i've got 117 dc with a buff, if i was to borrow tori's kit id have 131 dc with a buff and still can't 1 hit a high level warrior, i also have to get next to people to do insane damage ad a high level warrior can 2 hit me, so your point is invalid

calm down on that wacky tobaccy