Feed the fat before cutting down on pollution!

[LeoCrasher]

Yea I was never very good at headline titles @ skool, but whatever grabs attention ,

That aside, with the upcomming G8 summit President Bush has vowed to look after American interests, and thus refused to sign anything that 'looks like Kyoto', as it would wreck the American economy.

Do you think this is right? America is currently the largest polluter in the world (as regarded by the other G8 members), yet doesn't [do as much to] cut down its own emissions... polluting the rest of the world which we are powerless to do anything about because the Bush Administration refuses to do anything which could harm its own economy.

Whats your views on this? (if its a flame or some sort of prejudice... you can fk right off).

Personally I think its admirable that Mr Bush is keen on looking after his own people, and he does have a very fragile economy to nuture in the faces of the major American demographic timebomb... and the Chinese economic boom. However I don't think he should do this at the expense of every living person on the planet, dispite the research he may or may not have on renewable materials.

/Leo

 

[urbanfox]

*chuckles* Everyone has an agenda

First of all, we are making changes to reduce emissions, so do not spin this like we are trying to tell everyone to **** off and that we are continuing in our merry way. We have already signed legislation to reduce emissions and have given a time frame for American companies to meet these standards. MANY companies have ALREADY emmeditately met these future standards many years from the deadline (changing production does not happen overnight).

As for our economy being 'fragile', it is not. To tell such an industrialized nation with over 290,000,000 citizens to suddenly convert to those standards of a small not heavily industrilized nation such a sweden is rediculous.

I would also like to direct everyone to read this before coming to any conclusions about our supposed 'attitudes' toward this :

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050630-16.html

And please, I would appreciate you quote respected sources anytime you want to quote us.

I also believe Australia is not interested either, should we not bring them into this discussion? Of course, they are not directly involved in G8, but the same can be said for the EC

 

[ne0sbabe]

I think President Bush is wrong for disagreeing about this. Does he realise how bad its making America look? Even Schwarzenegger who is the governor of California(Americas richest state and Urbans own state) is saying Bush is wrong not to agree to it. America is just one country and being so worried about itself when it affects so many countries is just wrong to be honest.

 

[LeoCrasher]

The American economy must be fragile enough if Kyoto was such a dangerous thing for them. ". To tell such an industrialized nation with over 290,000,000 citizens to suddenly convert to those standards of a small not heavily industrilized nation such a sweden is rediculous." - Why, almost every other industrialised country accepted it?, including Japan and the 15 (before the 25) EU members. I think it has more to do with MrBush's ties with the oil lobby than the number of people in the USA.

Best bit from the page you gave 'cut our nation's greenhouse gas intensity -- how much we emit per unit of economic activity'

"The US contains 4% of the world's population but produces about 25% of all carbon dioxide emissions. By comparison, Britain emits 3% - about the same as India which has 15 times as many people "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1820000/1820523.stm

By EC, who exactly do you mean? I know of the European Commission; but the Aussies certainly ain't in the EU (though I wouldn't mind if they were).

"We will not do anything that harms our economy, because first things first are the people who live in America"
-What about every other breathing little twirp like myself that has to breathe in America's crap from the 'Atlantic Breeze' on a daily basis.

/Leo

 

[ne0sbabe]

This was said in an interview by Schwarzenegger regarding this issue.






Schwarzenegger made G8 plea


BUSH MAN SAYS TIME TO ACT

California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger has told the US President to face up to the threat of global warming.

Ahead of this week's G8 summit where the environment is top of the agenda, the former actor said: "The debate is over."


George Bush has been barracked around the world for his stance on the environment and reluctance to sign to up to accords tackling global warming as they may harm the US economy.

His reported willingness to block a deal during the G8 summit at Gleneagles addressing environmental dangers may lead the other seven leaders to sign an agreement excluding the US.

Writing in the Independent on Sunday, Mr Schwarzenegger, governor of the most powerful financial US state, said there could be no doubt as to the dangers faced by Earth.

Without explicitly mentioning Mr Bush, he said: "The debate is over.

"We know the science. We see the threat posed by changes in our climate. And we know the time for action is now.

"We have no choice but to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions."

California has taken a much harder stance than the US Government on pollution, aiming to reduce overall greenhouse gas emissions to 80% below 1990 levels, even more ambitious than the 60% goal for the UK.

Mr Schwarzenegger added: "Many people have falsely assumed that you have to choose between protecting the environment and protecting the economy. Nothing could be further from the truth."

 

[urbanfox]

I think President Bush is wrong for disagreeing about this. Does he realise how bad its making America look? Even Schwarzenegger who is the governor of California(Americas richest state and Urbans own state) is saying Bush is wrong not to agree to it. America is just one country and being so worried about itself when it affects so many countries is just wrong to be honest.

Are you trying to sound intelligent? It's not working very well, considering your source is an IDIOT.

The American economy must be fragile enough if Kyoto was such a dangerous thing for them. ". To tell such an industrialized nation with over 290,000,000 citizens to suddenly convert to those standards of a small not heavily industrilized nation such a sweden is rediculous." - Why, almost every other industrialised country accepted it?, including Japan and the 15 (before the 25) EU members. I think it has more to do with MrBush's ties with the oil lobby than the number of people in the USA.

Best bit from the page you gave 'cut our nation's greenhouse gas intensity -- how much we emit per unit of economic activity'

"The US contains 4% of the world's population but produces about 25% of all carbon dioxide emissions. By comparison, Britain emits 3% - about the same as India which has 15 times as many people "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1820000/1820523.stm

By EC, who exactly do you mean? I know of the European Commission; but the Aussies certainly ain't in the EU (though I wouldn't mind if they were).

"We will not do anything that harms our economy, because first things first are the people who live in America"
-What about every other breathing little twirp like myself that has to breathe in America's crap from the 'Atlantic Breeze' on a daily basis.

/Leo

Ahh yes BBC, the hateful BBC lol. Well first of all, shouldn't we be comparing industrilization per emission? Or is the irrellevant population per emission still seem like a doable fairytale?

I was having a bit of fun, G8= supposed to be 8... yet... let's make however many nations into one representitive body.. Australia is also not down with the kyoto amendment nor the orriginal UN treaty. I also find it amusing that smaller countries for kyoto (of which wouldn't know what mass production and industrilization if it hit them in the face) outcry at us to suddenly stop everything and change to their standards. Well surprisingly enough, they are not in the position to authoritively tell us what to do.

We are not flipping the finger to everyone by not signing some amendment to some UN treaty, so please once again don't spin it out as such. We are working and making laws for change and that's a fact, you can look up the laws on that .


Ahh and you expect me to believe you believe if we signed this treaty that your going to live a longer healthier life? Or have you been watching BBC propaganda too long?

A couple alternatives though would be A) wage a personal war with the US and try to invade us. (with your intellect I have no doubt you'll make it at least to US air or water borders if your brave, or land if you choose to fight terrorist style) OR B) Build and maintain an underground shelter with some sort of air purification system.

I'm sure there are other alternitives too, but it's late and I just got done playing GTA so my imagination is flourishing!

 

[ne0sbabe]

Well if Schwarzenegger is a idiot or whatever hes the governor of your state so i guess people like you must have put him there.


And regarding the BBC. Its widely recognized as being the best broadcasting company in the world so why the heck should you...* someone 6000 miles away* put it down. To be honest i find our own broadcasting companies a lot better than the American ones cos i find a lot of the American ones are blinkered or bribed by oil companies God knows.

Pls dont assume that anyone who doesnt agree with you is thick. Leo seems to be very bright to me and i also have studied Law so we know what we are talking about.

 

[urbanfox]

Well if Schwarzenegger is a idiot or whatever hes the governor of your state so i guess people like you must have put him there.


And regarding the BBC. Its widely recognized as being the best broadcasting company in the world so why the heck should you...* someone 6000 miles away* put it down. To be honest i find our own broadcasting companies a lot better than the American ones cos i find a lot of the American ones are blinkered or bribed by oil companies God knows.

Pls dont assume that anyone who doesnt agree with you is thick. Leo seems to be very bright to me and i also have studied Law so we know what we are talking about.

No, I did not put him there.

You think your BBC is so holy? Your BBC could quite possibly be the king of propaganda.

Watching the beginning of the Iraqi war with Skynews and BBC was a great example. Very different reportings, and I'm not arguing with sky

Just because someone doesn't agree with me doesn't mean they are stupid and don't try to put yourself in the same area as Leo aslo. And no dumbass, you don't know what your talking about, because you did you wouldn't be asking stupid questions like 'why don't try retry him' as that is as basic as US law gets.

You want to know why I attacked your post?

Because you quoted one man's thoughts (which means you are elevating this man to a pedestool and silently aknowledging you think he has some sort of intellectual authority when it comes to politics) as truth.

Arnold is a fast becoming an political disaster, go read up on that instead of MJ juror myths.

 

[ne0sbabe]

The point is Schwarzenegger is the head of California which is the richest state in America.

You state that BBc and Sky show different things! And that you dont argue about Sky. No offence but isnt Sky owned by an American? Over here the sun newspaper is owned by an american and coincidentally thats also for the war. So are you saying that anyone or anything that doesnt agree with America does is wrong?


And regarding the mj...dont say it was myths when the juror Raymond Hultman SOLD his story to the mirror ok!

 

[LeoCrasher]

Ahh yes BBC, the hateful BBC lol. Well first of all, shouldn't we be comparing industrilization per emission? Or is the irrellevant population per emission still seem like a doable fairytale?

Could be worse, I could quote some FOX News. Be careful what you say about news corporations, the BBC is indisputable in the INTERNATIONAL regard for the quality of its output... mistakes aside. No, we should compare total output propotionate to population.

I was having a bit of fun, G8= supposed to be 8... yet... let's make however many nations into one representitive body.. Australia is also not down with the kyoto amendment nor the orriginal UN treaty. I also find it amusing that smaller countries for kyoto (of which wouldn't know what mass production and industrilization if it hit them in the face) outcry at us to suddenly stop everything and change to their standards. Well surprisingly enough, they are not in the position to authoritively tell us what to do.

We are not flipping the finger to everyone by not signing some amendment to some UN treaty, so please once again don't spin it out as such. We are working and making laws for change and that's a fact, you can look up the laws on that .

Not quite sure how 'EC' turns into 'G8', but whatever your phased intellect tells you dear.
I've not researched the Aussies output and am in no position to argue their stance, nor did I mention it in the opening post. However I do know America refused it dispite almost every other developed nation doing so. If they all can, I'm sure America can. Or are they 'stingy' about that, aswell as percentage of GDP given to poor countries.

Ahh and you expect me to believe you believe if we signed this treaty that your going to live a longer healthier life? Or have you been watching BBC propaganda too long?

A couple alternatives though would be A) wage a personal war with the US and try to invade us. (with your intellect I have no doubt you'll make it at least to US air or water borders if your brave, or land if you choose to fight terrorist style) OR B) Build and maintain an underground shelter with some sort of air purification system.

I'm sure there are other alternitives too, but it's late and I just got done playing GTA so my imagination is flourishing!

No, I expect you to believe the Earth will live a longer, healthier life... leading to a safer place for us all. Some things are bigger than just little people you know, but both you and the American Govt cannot seem to grasp there are things more important than themselves.

This whole terroism thing our two nations seem to have I believe is blown way out of propotion... and at least in your case is being used as a instrument for revolutionary change. All I've seen so far is retribution and manipution... not terroism, but you believe what FoxNews tells you now .

I'm not quite sure how a personal invasion works, nice to see your so military minded though. Do they teach those skills in state schools?

/Leo

 

[Atomicide]

Qoute: BBC - Micheal Fish - Weve had some reports that a Hurricane is on the way but dont panic, its not going to happen.

12 hours later Destruction in its wake.
The BBC is also impartial.

Also why is there a sudden influx of America vs The Uk. Like i said in the first post, America leads by example, (even if its a bad one) and the UK follows.

ps. Im not American and i was for the war, but thats probably just cos im a *******.

 

[konnichiwa]

ps. Im not American and i was for the war, but thats probably just cos im a *******.

no, its probably because your a thick twat.

You think your BBC is so holy? Your BBC could quite possibly be the king of propaganda.

Then why is it that the BBC was the only news station that followed Bushes cabinat visit to Afganistan to oversee the purchase of that oil pipe line, and Fox News etc kept it all hush hush?

 

[ne0sbabe]

no, its probably because your a thick twat.



Then why is it that the BBC was the only news station that followed Bushes cabinat visit to Afganistan to oversee the purchase of that oil pipe line, and Fox News etc kept it all hush hush?

To be honest this is part of the problem. Im not even sure the Americans are shown half the stuff that happens if there government thinks its best not to tell em.

 

[FUTURA]

When has America cared for anyone but its own? Everything it does, every economic activity, aid donation, war, trade is done 100% for their own good, and the rest of the worlds' bad. There is no exception.

I'm sure someone will come in saying 'But but but, Iraq has been liberated! Bush is a hero!'. If Their so called "Liberation" involved taking over the government, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents and snatching control of Iraq's oil supplies. So saying that they'll, as Leo put it, 'feed the fat before cutting down pollution' shoudln't come as a big surprise.

 

[urbanfox]

Could be worse, I could quote some FOX News. Be careful what you say about news corporations, the BBC is indisputable in the INTERNATIONAL regard for the quality of its output... mistakes aside. No, we should compare total output propotionate to population.
but you believe what FoxNews tells you now .

I'm not quite sure how a personal invasion works, nice to see your so military minded though. Do they teach those skills in state schools?

/Leo

Foxnews? Be my guest!

The BBC has quality output? Now that's a shocker.

I remember watching skynews and BBC side by side during the opeing of the Iraqi war. Sky news was showing coalition forces storming the country without any sign of legit oppoisition. At this same time BBC was airing Iraq propaganda in the form of Bhagdad Bob and taking it seriously... hmmm... I draw my own conclusions?

You mean public schools? I'm not sure I've never been to one, although I can guess no

 

[urbanfox]

When has America cared for anyone but its own? Everything it does, every economic activity, aid donation, war, trade is done 100% for their own good, and the rest of the worlds' bad. There is no exception.

I'm sure someone will come in saying 'But but but, Iraq has been liberated! Bush is a hero!'. If Their so called "Liberation" involved taking over the government, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents and snatching control of Iraq's oil supplies. So saying that they'll, as Leo put it, 'feed the fat before cutting down pollution' shoudln't come as a big surprise.

Aid donation, yes, only helping America lol...

As for killing hundreds of thousands of innocents... I think you need to get off smoking the weed, those numbers are a bit outrageous...

There are always casualties in war, but I think the Iraqi people are much better off now (and they think so too, according to their polls. Then again, I'm sure anyone with commonsense would love to go back to having Saddam's insane son ravage villages and rape women :mer: Or did they not teach you the horrors of what the hussein family did to it's people and the kurds and such?

To be honest this is part of the problem. Im not even sure the Americans are shown half the stuff that happens if there government thinks its best not to tell em.

No, of course not, but all your brits on your island sure know what's up!

Not quite sure how 'EC' turns into 'G8', but whatever your phased intellect tells you dear.
I've not researched the Aussies output and am in no position to argue their stance, nor did I mention it in the opening post. However I do know America refused it dispite almost every other developed nation doing so. If they all can, I'm sure America can. Or are they 'stingy' about that, aswell as percentage of GDP given to poor countries.

Is the EC not the 8th in G8?

 

[LeoCrasher]

Aid donation, yes, only helping America lol...

As for killing hundreds of thousands of innocents... I think you need to get off smoking the weed, those numbers are a bit outrageous...

Its the motive behind the dontation, and the selection process which America uses which worries us.

There are always casualties in war, but I think the Iraqi people are much better off now (and they think so too, according to their polls. Then again, I'm sure anyone with commonsense would love to go back to having Saddam's insane son ravage villages and rape women :mer: Or did they not teach you the horrors of what the hussein family did to it's people and the kurds and such?

I think they're better off too, but I also think we were lead into war for the wrong reasons... referring to the ones that weren't so publically announced.[/quote]

No, of course not, but all your brits on your island sure know what's up!

Yup, were the wisest nation on the planet... well at the very least until 15 years ago since we started being attached to the Americans backside. Ever drifting away from continental Europe to a regime that opposes freedom with the slant of promoting it.

Is the EC not the 8th in G8?

Original members: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, UK, US
Later members: Canada (joined at 1976 summit, San Juan, Puerto Rico), Russia (joined at 1998 summit, Birmingham, UK)

Stop saying EC if your referring to the EU, of which is not a nation. I think your showing a gross ignorance towards foreign affairs.

/Leo

 

[ne0sbabe]

[
Stop saying EC if your referring to the EU, of which is not a nation. I think your showing a gross ignorance towards foreign affairs.

/Leo[/QUOTE]


To be fair Bush himself seems to know nothing about foreign affairs. When meeting Charlotte Church he asked her where Wales was....and we are supposed to be his biggest ally.

 

[urbanfox]

Its the motive behind the dontation, and the selection process which America uses which worries us.

I think they're better off too, but I also think we were lead into war for the wrong reasons... referring to the ones that weren't so publically announced.


Yup, were the wisest nation on the planet... well at the very least until 15 years ago since we started being attached to the Americans backside. Ever drifting away from continental Europe to a regime that opposes freedom with the slant of promoting it.


Original members: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, UK, US
Later members: Canada (joined at 1976 summit, San Juan, Puerto Rico), Russia (joined at 1998 summit, Birmingham, UK)

Stop saying EC if your referring to the EU, of which is not a nation. I think your showing a gross ignorance towards foreign affairs.

/Leo

Well, we do what we please with our money, just the same as you, no?

Well the main reason was agreed upon by people who didn't even want to go to war...

I resent that, heavily.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1097485641825

The European Union is always represented at G8 Summits by the President of the European Commission and the leader of the member state holding the presidency of the European Council.

Or maybe I did my homework? But thanks to jumping to conclusions.

 

[LeoCrasher]

Well, we do what we please with our money, just the same as you, no?

Well the main reason was agreed upon by people who didn't even want to go to war...

I resent that, heavily.

I'm not sure you can come to a consensus in such a way, especially when your country as come under such great critism for it.

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?pagename=OpenMarket/Xcelerate/ShowPage&c=Page&cid=1097485641825

Or maybe I did my homework? But thanks to jumping to conclusions.

Only using the same tricks you do, nothing more nothing less.
Also the EU (or EC as you prefer to call it) is merely represented, not a member, hence G8, not G9. If your going to do your homework at least get it right before you try make a psuedo fact out it.

*sticks by the claim of showing ignorance towards foreign affairs*

/Leo