I hate Book Pages

[JK MaxOne]

Here's my first 'venting' on this server as I lost 6~ Mill golds learning this particular 'shitty' game logic.

Look everyone at the following 'shitty' game code . It is what is executed when you double click on 30/30 pages ...

https://github.com/Suprcode/mir3-zircon/blob/master/Server/Models/PlayerObject.cs#L6454
https://github.com/Suprcode/mir3-zircon/blob/master/Server/Envir/SEnvir.cs#L1775

    case ItemType.Book:
        item.CurrentDurability = Random.Next(96) + 5; //0~95 + 5
        break;

.. uniformly distributed between 0 to 95 pages. Oh ... +5 pages, so generous of you !!!

'Parts' make sense for items and it's actually fun collecting and eventually get rewarded. But for Books, where 'duration' are 'pages', it's basically a scam. Imagine collecting '30 parts' and you get 5/100 ... that's totally logical.

This 'randomness' also make 'books' having 'double gambling' (double uncertainty) mechanism: 1) creating from parts, 2) 'learning'.
Which makes 'book parts' worthless and '90+/100' extremely valuable. People are selling 'book parts' today because they are dummies like me who bought them.

I would suggest the following ...
1) /100 parts for all books.
2) Let player 'create' books exactly out of number of collected parts (ex: 30/100)
and, let player gamble during the 'learning phase'.

As of now, I'm not buying any more 'shitty' book parts, but I will continue to sell them to other dummies also

Thanks for listening !

 

[Lionsm!ght]

parts and pages are 2 different systems.

Parts are an additional chance of getting a drop - rather than hitting the full rng roll, its a secondary roll to get a part.

Buying parts your doubling your rng chance compared to buying a low page already created book. As with anything in the market, stop buying them then they will become cheaper

 

[DjDarkBoyZ]

The rng in Zircon sources are very bad coded (item dura, ect...), in some cases never reach 100% because is bad coded.
We are recoded all rng to be good random with a 100% tested rng system, not a 0 - 99% crap rng that have 30% more fails...
Atm the only books with 100% success are the ones created by crafting system, is pending to add the tasks
on crafting jobs for let ppl enjoy the system.

cya

 

[JK MaxOne]

parts and pages are 2 different systems.

Parts are an additional chance of getting a drop - rather than hitting the full rng roll, its a secondary roll to get a part.

Buying parts your doubling your rng chance compared to buying a low page already created book. As with anything in the market, stop buying them then they will become cheaper

Two comments:

1) From 'implementation' level, surely it all make sense to you guys. But from the 'usage' level, the concept of '30/30' parts for 'books' need to convey some kind of 'story' to players. For example, am I collecting 'missing pages' lost in the world? or am I assembling an 'magical dice' (made of 30 parts, which costed 6 mill gold!) that will eventually produce a partial book ... If I knew it was a 'magical dice', and that it would give me the same chance for 5/100 and 100/100 book, I would not had lost 6 mill. Maybe I'm the only dummy who does not know this 'magical dice' thingy for books.

2) Maybe I'm missing something here, why would it 'double the chance'? The 'learn-roll' probability and 'create-from-parts--roll' probability are not dependent of each other.

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The rng in Zircon sources are very bad coded (item dura, ect...), in some cases never reach 100% because is bad coded.
We are recoded all rng to be good random with a 100% tested rng system, not a 0 - 99% crap rng that have 30% more fails...
Atm the only books with 100% success are the ones created by crafting system, is pending to add the tasks
on crafting jobs for let ppl enjoy the system.

cya

Thanks for the heads up.
Btw, my usage of 'shitty' is a friendly term (tiny poo thing). We use this a lot at work as joke, didn't mean to bash the work itself. The hard works are always appreciated

 

[Piff1]

The rng in Zircon sources are very bad coded (item dura, ect...), in some cases never reach 100% because is bad coded.
We are recoded all rng to be good random with a 100% tested rng system, not a 0 - 99% crap rng that have 30% more fails...
Atm the only books with 100% success are the ones created by crafting system, is pending to add the tasks
on crafting jobs for let ppl enjoy the system.

cya

You and Zed are always chucking every little Dig at Jamie's code you possibly can, yet you gave up on your 2 year project to jump straight over to Zircon Source which Jamie made in under a year on his own.


If parts of his code are so bad how about stop using his files and go back to your dead source that would of never been released anyway.

Jamie has basically lined Yours and Zeds pockets, you should be thankful because lets be honest you and zed aint done **** for mir 3 which was any good since like 2008.

 

[Lionsm!ght]

Two comments:

1) From 'implementation' level, surely it all make sense to you guys. But from the 'usage' level, the concept of '30/30' parts for 'books' need to convey some kind of 'story' to players. For example, am I collecting 'missing pages' lost in the world? or am I assembling an 'magical dice' (made of 30 parts, which costed 6 mill gold!) that will eventually produce a partial book ... If I knew it was a 'magical dice', and that it would give me the same chance for 5/100 and 100/100 book, I would not had lost 6 mill. Maybe I'm the only dummy who does not know this 'magical dice' thingy for books.

2) Maybe I'm missing something here, why would it 'double the chance'? The 'learn-roll' probability and 'create-from-parts--roll' probability are not dependent of each other.

1. Collecting parts is another way to make an item. When you get a book drop it can be 5-100pages, so making one from parts is also going to be the same concept. When you make an item from parts it can be 1 dura and need repairing straight away or worse could have disadvantage added to it. Put it down to learning game mechanics.

2.Maybe worded a bit confusing originally I meant you have 2 rng rolls to do not just 1 hence double. Let's say a 50page book is 6 mill. You buy it knowing you have to rng that 1 50 roll. If you spend 6mill on parts you do so knowing you have to rng roll the creation, hoping to get higher than the 50 pager on the market, and then still have to rng roll the number of pages to learn.

Parts are great for items, it's a second chance to make one and possibly get added stats so buying all the parts should cost the same as buying the full item. For books I personally would avoid unless the total cost was cheaper than a 50 pager.

 

[daneo1989]

The rng in Zircon sources are very bad coded (item dura, ect...), in some cases never reach 100% because is bad coded.
We are recoded all rng to be good random with a 100% tested rng system, not a 0 - 99% crap rng that have 30% more fails...
Atm the only books with 100% success are the ones created by crafting system, is pending to add the tasks
on crafting jobs for let ppl enjoy the system.

cya

If you and Zedina dislike Jamies coding on Zircon.. Why on earth are you even still using them? I think a lot of this a just jealousy that a decent set was actually released for the community to use.

 

[CraZyEriK]

hes not dislikein jamies code, just telling its fkn bad coded.. cant you all recognise ? yea its hard work to make a sv from scratch, you will always find bugs or "shitty" codes even if the best developer has created the code, always will be one that know more than you so...

basically hes telling the true.
did you know jamie cant make companion filter cos he got high % CPU usage ?

i know Wincha coded it with less of 6% CPU usage so... and still working on POB

 

[zedina]

you stupid morons, get that big carrot buttplug from your butts and then start to think :


he said the code logic had a flaw and he simply improved it by how he did to all the things that he added/improved on the source
im glad this game dies, maybe this community of salty kids will to.


this was when zentaur had 200 users online
show me that on any zircon source or gtfo

 

[Emzie]

im glad this game dies, maybe this community of salty kids will to.

Game as in Mir in general? If so you'd be the first to cry due to the loss of £$£$£.

 

[daneo1989]

hes not dislikein jamies code, just telling its fkn bad coded.. cant you all recognise ? yea its hard work to make a sv from scratch, you will always find bugs or "shitty" codes even if the best developer has created the code, always will be one that know more than you so...

basically hes telling the true.
did you know jamie cant make companion filter cos he got high % CPU usage ?

i know Wincha coded it with less of 6% CPU usage so... and still working on POB

dislike and saying its being ****ing badly coded. I would consider being the same. Might be that language barrier I suppose.

I know Jamie's code ain't perfect.. and like you said the best coder will always cause issues in the code. But to be quite frank neither DJ or Zed have supplied anything on this level. If they have such of an issue with the code why don't they open an Open Source to even contribute towards the current Git project to make it better. But hold on.. they won't because that might affect their current user count and profit.

@zedina Wind your neck in!

 

[zedina]

dislike and saying its being ****ing badly coded. I would consider being the same. Might be that language barrier I suppose.

I know Jamie's code ain't perfect.. and like you said the best coder will always cause issues in the code. But to be quite frank neither DJ or Zed have supplied anything on this level. If they have such of an issue with the code why don't they open an Open Source to even contribute towards the current Git project to make it better. But hold on.. they won't because that might affect their current user count and profit.

@zedina Wind your neck in!

You must be trolling as i cant frankly believe you are that ignorant daneo, making average of 5$ a day from gamegold purchases its a big profit if you are living in Africa.

Have you even logged in game or on zen discord? We did giveaways worth of 50k HuntGold, we add weekly/monthly HuntGold to all accounts. Please stop smoking crack.

 

[daneo1989]

You must be trolling as i cant frankly believe you are that ignorant daneo, making average of 5$ a day from gamegold purchases its a big profit if you are living in Africa.

Have you even logged in game or on zen discord? We did giveaways worth of 50k HuntGold, we add weekly/monthly HuntGold to all accounts. Please stop smoking crack.

Yes, I have been on your server. And to be honest... I'm not a Mir3 player never have and never will. Doesn't matter what you give away and frankly, I don't care. And you saying you only get £5 a day its more than £0 a day.

Point is this Zedina. You and DJ are just salty over Jamie, just sit back make your server and making comments as you have I'll repeat myself. Wind your neck in.

 

[zedina]

Yes, I have been on your server. And to be honest... I'm not a Mir3 player never have and never will. Doesn't matter what you give away and frankly, I don't care. And you saying you only get £5 a day its more than £0 a day.

Point is this Zedina. You and DJ are just salty over Jamie, just sit back make your server and making comments as you have I'll repeat myself. Wind your neck in.

Where the profit is then?
Also most of this community uses Crystal yet i dont see you asking others about profit

 

[Emzie]

£5 a day profit with that usercount? I presume the gross income is huge yet you have a vast amount of allowable deductions such as paying yourself a wage before you class the income as profit/net income.

 

[CraZyEriK]

dislike and saying its being ****ing badly coded. I would consider being the same. Might be that language barrier I suppose.

I know Jamie's code ain't perfect.. and like you said the best coder will always cause issues in the code. But to be quite frank neither DJ or Zed have supplied anything on this level. If they have such of an issue with the code why don't they open an Open Source to even contribute towards the current Git project to make it better. But hold on.. they won't because that might affect their current user count and profit.

@zedina Wind your neck in!

Are you jealous because they don't release source so others can get profit of their work? As I know DJ and zed been working on kor , adding these to zircon faulty code fixed by DJ and zed, improved for estability and performance, I think it's the best game client compatible with W10 as mir3 (Jamie did) but wincha improved original code to work better...
If I do a work and I got profit for it, I'm not going to release. Not all people are equal

 

[DjDarkBoyZ]

anyone can find my replys, i dont say all jamies code is bad, i only say some parts is bad, like rng calculations, monster logic, ect i optimized it, probably the lang barrier make my words worse.

Im just using the skeleton of the zircon base, i reworked all, because i dont like the "works as intended", because when u see all the code (original) is like is coded with a thinked end time and only for one purpose.

We wanted and work to have a decent files, not feel as a mir2, reworked both sides sources for be better, when next patch comes all will see how a better map engine is, how a loved game is, adapted calculations, gameplay, ect, not a limited "gsp intended fast copy" is...

and if all come in rage, welcome to the troll and lammer reality.
A lot of times is fun to see how ppl got baited easy and i love drama, is fun and all got baited xD but seriously, check your envy

cya

 

[Piff1]

Jamie has more coding ability in his little finger than you do DJ, your such a toxic person i used to think Zed was the asshole, you are just as bad.

 

[CraZyEriK]

Jamie has more coding ability in his little finger than you do DJ, your such a toxic person i used to think Zed was the asshole, you are just as bad.

just look at the code. if he did code to grab money... wont be better to make code without rush ?
the base its "shitty" and bad argumented.. bad calcs, etc etc etc.. you all are jealous of dj and zed cos they dont release their files ..... ha ha ha keep asking wincha to release kor files guys...


edited; see what happen when zircon was released... tons of new servers (thats ok) but lomcn had problems with meteorserver cos they did copy moonx and trying to do with dj and zed sv... but failure ^^ if jamie has more coding ability than DJ, why files are bugged as fk ? you answered urself

 

[Lionsm!ght]

just look at the code. if he did code to grab money... wont be better to make code without rush ?
the base its "shitty" and bad argumented.. bad calcs, etc etc etc.. you all are jealous of dj and zed cos they dont release their files ..... ha ha ha keep asking wincha to release kor files guys...


edited; see what happen when zircon was released... tons of new servers (thats ok) but lomcn had problems with meteorserver cos they did copy moonx and trying to do with dj and zed sv... but failure ^^ if jamie has more coding ability than DJ, why files are bugged as fk ? you answered urself

You keep mentioning bugs yet I see no commits on the github with these apparent fixes. Or even any bug reports for others to fix.

The only buggy zircon files that have been around have been the ZenX versions and it's all down to the changes and attempts to close source their files.

Your slating the source and saying its **** yet don't see any solutions or examples, just a couple of guys and their cheerleader bad mouthing the gift they received. It can't be that bad if Zed was so quick to drop their own source for it, or their original source must of been so bad if zircon source is better yet its so "****"

Talk about being hypocrites and ungrateful if its that bad switch to ZenX source, we have been waiting years for this Korean uber source they have been working on.