LionRoar - Balanced?

[Razarus]

Hi,

Just some thoughts on LionRoar.

Once you reach the level required this skill seems to be 100% effective all of the time (correct me if I'm wrong)
There also does not seem to be any mobs immune to this skill, as with Hiding or Moonlight certain creatures see through this skill all the time and others occasionally effectively stopping these players from "free running" through floors to bosses.

I have not seen anything but looking at the monster levels on the website i believe that there are 2 wars of the required level to LionRoar their way to the frozen kingroom without killing a single mob.

I think that its a great skill and a reward for leveling that high should be good, but I feel its slightly overpowered that everything is lionroarable (word)?

 

[joking]

To get to the gates of the Frozen kingsroom would be a great achievement if we didnt have to stop to kill stuff... having that warrior there who can assist is brilliant... but in no way does it make it a simple task.

if they have put the work in to get to these required levels then why shouldnt they be able to lionroar them?

 

[Razarus]

if they have put the work in to get to these required levels then why shouldnt they be able to lionroar them?

That is the discussion indeed.
Is it overpowered that it can paralyze EVERYTHING or should it be a little more like hide/moonlight in that some mobs are immune to its effect so that it can reduce and control the density of mobs but not remove them from the equation entirely.

 

[Babyhack]

This is something I am in two minds about, on one hand the player has leveled so should have a bit of power (Ice is a level 40 cave anyway) and on the other hand the game should not be to easy to get to a KR

The player has leveled and also found and leveled a rare skills so in a way should be able to use the skill

BH

 

[HarryH]

Even without bull pit we still get to Kingroom every time, we just use 10 less Hp per person..

 

[Razarus]

This is something I am in two minds about

That's good, means I'm not just pinging holes or looking for imbalance.

on one hand the player has leveled so should have a bit of power (Ice is a level 40 cave anyway)
The player has leveled and also found and leveled a rare skill so in a way should be able to use the skill

I agree in that it should be powerful and should give great benefit as its level dependent. but by paralyzing everything all of the time is it too powerful?
TU still fails, Hide and moonlight still fail, curse doesn't hit everything every time why should lionroar?

There could be a good reason why and im happy either way just preempting a possibly problem in the future as more people reach these levels.

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Even without bull pit we still get to Kingroom every time, we just use 10 less Hp per person..

This is not just about ice cave. the skill in general.
I don't think anyone fails to make it to KR.

 

[Martyn]

while were at it, why can tao's green and red poison land 100% on targets??

he can only LR within a certain radius.. its not excatly the whole screen is it.

a bit OP being able to tame Boss mobs.. weather sub boss or not, its still OP. if you dedicated that amount of time to get that level, then you should have a right to do it, not there fault they dont have a life is it, its your fault for having one.

 

[Razarus]

while were at it, why can tao's green and red poison land 100% on targets??

I'm not aware of this, but perhaps a bug thread or a new suggestion thread.

he can only LR within a certain radius.. its not excatly the whole screen is it.

I am well aware of how Lion Roar works, at no point was it suggested that the entire screen is frozen solid. the question is should LR affect every single mob or should some be immune. alternatively allow it to affect every mob but have a chance to work similar to curse.

a bit OP being able to tame Boss mobs.. weather sub boss or not, its still OP.

As first point.

if you dedicated that amount of time to get that level, then you should have a right to do it, not there fault they dont have a life is it, its your fault for having one.

Its not a question about having a life, I have Lion Roar and although I am not at level 49 I still find it a little overpowered that nomatter whats within my radius providing im of the relevant level its guaranteed to work.

Thanks for your input Smir

 

[Koriban]

Personally, I think it's fine as it is. It's not overpowered. If you have to put serious effort in to level for it to be useful in a lvl 40 cave, then I guess that's a reward for doing so. It should effect every mob because it's always done so.

It's just a decent utility spell. Of all of the spells to point out of being overpowered, LR is the least out of warriors spellset I'd of thought would get mentioned lol.

 

[Toddwhite]

Hi,

Just some thoughts on LionRoar.

Once you reach the level required this skill seems to be 100% effective all of the time (correct me if I'm wrong)
There also does not seem to be any mobs immune to this skill, as with Hiding or Moonlight certain creatures see through this skill all the time and others occasionally effectively stopping these players from "free running" through floors to bosses.

I have not seen anything but looking at the monster levels on the website i believe that there are 2 wars of the required level to LionRoar their way to the frozen kingroom without killing a single mob.

I think that its a great skill and a reward for leveling that high should be good, but I feel its slightly overpowered that everything is lionroarable (word)?

Its how lionroar has always worked? why would they change it now?

 

[Razarus]

It should effect every mob because it's always done so.

Its how lionroar has always worked? why would they change it now?

They have changed a lot of things, Like Darks seeing though hide, it used to be dungs.. not everything that was, is.

Thought id mention my thoughts but it seems the team and majority of the 5 forum users are happy with the skill the way it is, so that's how its going to be.
I'm happy in one sense as ill be doing the same if i ever reach those levels. I wouldnt be happy if they changed it later on when everyone is level 50 with lion roar just chilling to kings rooms. trying to preempt a possible flaw is all.

 

[rayray]

ok so a tank is doing his job and *tanking* mobs to help others pass . theres no problems here.

on another note, ^ lo owen ;p

 

[Bhavesh]

LR effectivity is dependant on the users level and not on level of the skill.

Hide is a lvl 20 skill and you can use it on mobs of any level.

the sin skill takes this 1 step furthur and allows sins to walk while hidden and works on mobs of any level

you can use Elec shock to stun mobs of any level.

i've also seen archers push back ZT in the KR using thier skill.

you have to remember unlike moonlight/hide elec shock LR is still a rare skill... i've been farming moths for ages and havent yet got a book...

If it worked on Players that would be OP but it doesnt...

 

[KylerStern]

No lionroar is fine, just like trap hex.

I think the scenario you are aiming at is that a 39+ war can get a small grp through very easily.
That also fine.
Should a level 40 caves boss be worth hunting for a level 49+ player.
Well this is mir and higher levels dominating the lower level boss' is all part of the game.

People like to faceroll things.
Your first wt kill that took 25mins and 100 pots isnt fun the 50th kill when you drop it in less than 2 minutes is whats fun.

 

[Clintus2]

Its not like they stay lionroared for ages. leave as is

 

[d1craig]

This is something I am in two minds about, on one hand the player has leveled so should have a bit of power (Ice is a level 40 cave anyway) and on the other hand the game should not be to easy to get to a KR

The player has leveled and also found and leveled a rare skills so in a way should be able to use the skill

BH

All valid apart from levelling the skill. Stick a peice of card in the skill let and make sure you have plenty of mp. It's not an acheivemt really. Waste of time, resources and kills the planet ( leaving pc on when it otherwise would have been turned off).

Levelling skills is completely unnecessary. Once you reach the level the skill should jump up.

 

[Dante83]

I think you spell is fine the way it is wish it was easier to find

 

[Mystickiller]

LR AOE is absolutely out of control tho tbh. Can LR nearly half of archer room in 1 cast.

 

[ILovePie:D]

LR AOE is absolutely out of control tho tbh. Can LR nearly half of archer room in 1 cast.

Simple solution there is to make archers spawn all over the room not just practically at the door

 

[Skepta]

Simple solution there is to make archers spawn all over the room not just practically at the door

Then it takes away all the fun from -40 groups going to bdd for a hunt, that archer room was the hole fun of bdd for me being a nooby on here! only 3/4 of the group making it through haha funny