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[Celsius]

Yeah don ations are needed, but come on, opening up donations for stuff thats going to majorly unbalance the game is retarded.. Taking FH as an example as its the worst for it..

When he released fox items he mustve got at least $500 in donations, month later he released frozen (When there were only like 10 ingame that dropped) mustve made upwards of $1500 then theres the x10 exp pots at $21 a pop (Which in itself would cover running costs) and when he released mir/furious chests, when only like 1 full mir set was ingame and NO furious at all, **** knows how much he made, but at like $50 an item and with at least 50 items being thrown into the gameyou do the math lol

Waiting for the next 'Expansion' which will be a new cave put together in like 2 hours, a new high level setwhich will be opento donations straight away and net a few thousand .. i dont know why people waste their money on this ****, when the items theyre buying are systematically made obselete in a months time.

And yes Ely will have donations but it wont be to fund their greed, it will be to cover running costs.

I wonder what wemade would think if they learnt you were running a server and taking ahuge amount of their profits from the euro market without a license? Most servers they ignore because they dont make enough? Might have to drop an email to them when im off my trip.

Haha your so pathetic.

You have to remember there isn't just the server the game runs on, which we have 2 of. We also have 2 web servers, forum licences, other software that we use that needs to be paid for.

And your estimations of profit are way off, same as everyone elses.

 

[elohelMeight]

So, as you have quite a bit to pay for... you ruin the server by letting people who donate get the best items before they have even dropped? Smart that is.

I can't understand why people pay for forums? Why not just use a free forum if it's that much of an issue? You will say it's not.. but it obviously is if you need people to donate to keep it running.

''your estimations of profit are way off''

So... you openly admit that FH is making a profit...?
Why not close donations until you are strapped of cash, re-open donations, do this over and over. As said by someone else, remove stupidly imba items from donations list, I personally wouldn't even let people have exp pots for a donation. You have to realize, there is a difference between donating and trading cash for items/exp... if somebody receives an exp pot or an item for giving the server £20, they havn't donated at all... they've bought from the server.

What he is saying makes sense, maybe you aren't making grands, but your still making a profit. Why should you make a profit out of a game that's 'free to play'?

 

[Celsius]

So, as you have quite a bit to pay for... you ruin the server by letting people who donate get the best items before they have even dropped? Smart that is.

I can't understand why people pay for forums? Why not just use a free forum if it's that much of an issue? You will say it's not.. but it obviously is if you need people to donate to keep it running.

''your estimations of profit are way off''

So... you openly admit that FH is making a profit...?
Why not close donations until you are strapped of cash, re-open donations, do this over and over. As said by someone else, remove stupidly imba items from donations list, I personally wouldn't even let people have exp pots for a donation. You have to realize, there is a difference between donating and trading cash for items/exp... if somebody receives an exp pot or an item for giving the server £20, they havn't donated at all... they've bought from the server.

What he is saying makes sense, maybe you aren't making grands, but your still making a profit. Why should you make a profit out of a game that's 'free to play'?

This thread isn't about FH, take it somewhere else or i'll start infracting.

 

[Anonlol]

If donations bother you this much then don't play the server. Learn to accept it's his server and he will do whatever he likes. Yes, donations cover up the cost for dedi but it doesn't mean that he can't collect some money for his benefit too, after all it is his server that he put a lot of work in, his and his team so im sure they are also getting paid for the work they do for Ben. Now let's try to stay on topic instead of turning another innocent thread into a flame thread.

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Puts alot of work into?

Last I saw, he was afk for a few days because he was 'too busy irl to deal' and the last update, all he did was make a 13 floor cave, 6 diff mob skins with same stats for some of them and stupid bosses using the same rehashed mechanics of repulsing over and over and being so fast they bug your screen out. Plus the main feature of the patch, addinga box that gives you 1 item from the 2 best sets ingame. As for the forum license FH doesnt even need one, forums mainlyfor feedback and theonly response people get to posting it is 'stop crying.' In this particular case FH forums are heavily moderated to delete all leaving threads, I'm sure Ben was ready to ban a couple people at one point because they kept posting 'feedback' that Ben didnt want to hear. He released gfx of new spells like 3 monthsago and still hasnt put any in fgs - you still call that work? A highrate server max lvl is 160 and max skill lvl is 80...

And if you didnt pick up on this, I did leave the server. Which was a shame, it started off really good, up until a couple months ago when donations really started to take the game over.

These sets didnt drop even after the cave was put in, they were ONLY up for donations. And thats what I have an issue with. As a server runner yourself (Cels I think you're a gm for one of these servs also?) I understand why you're sticking up for the prinicipal of donations.

I have said before, donations are important of course, but they shouldnt become NECESSARY to stand a remote chance in the game. You may as well call the donations a subscription fee.

Edit: This forums god a mod on FH side as well I see. Quite a nice system you got in place to stop any negative press. People starting the server rly have no idea what theyre wasting their timeon.

 

[elohelMeight]

LMFAO.

Your gonna infract me for replying to your post which was just as off-topic as mine... in fact it was referring to the same topic as me! Lol. Makes me laugh how power hungry some of you mods are.

All I have done is give my say on the matter... as the last 10 posts have... including 1 from you. If your gonna infract me, technically you have to infract yourself for the same reason.

I'm pretty sure that this could all be classed as on-topic anyway. The original post stated that he doesn't wanna play a server based around donations pretty much, all we are doing is giving him a heads up.

Subscription fee... for the people who can afford it yeah. It goes 1 of 2 ways, you either have money, which will therefore give you a clear advantage, or your an average player who doesn't have the cash to spend and therefore falls behind due to stupid items on the donations list.

Edit: Just for your info, I'm not slating FH or w.e, I havn't even played it since beta, I'm sure it's a great server and I know it has amazing features... I'm referring to donations on most servers allowing you to get ridiculous items, not just FH.

 

[Celsius]

Slate FH all you like, at the end of the day its one of the most stable servers around. If it ever goes down its never down more than a few hours, player have confidence that its not just going to end tomorrow, which it won't.

And as far as im aware, its one of the few servers that actually use the donations. Would you prefer it if we took donations and then ran the server on a home computer and the website on some free site full of adverts?

 

[ρяєα¢нєя]

I'm not a massive fan of donations for items, and i'm a member of the FH team, but selling things like EXP pots, stat buffs, believe it or not, just don't cover the costs we incur.

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[elohelMeight]

Slate FH all you like, at the end of the day its one of the most stable servers around. If it ever goes down its never down more than a few hours, player have confidence that its not just going to end tomorrow, which it won't.

And as far as im aware, its one of the few servers that actually use the donations. Would you prefer it if we took donations and then ran the server on a home computer and the website on some free site full of adverts?

The players that have confidence in any server are the players who donate. Lol, I would laugh at anybody playing FH if they didn't use the donations to run the server. But, FH is receiving donations on a different scale to any other server on LOMCN, fact. Where does the rest of the money go? Pockets.

I'm not a massive fan of donations for items, and i'm a member of the FH team, but selling things like EXP pots, stat buffs, believe it or not, just don't cover the costs we incur.

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Which is why I mentioned using free forums etc. The only thing you actually need to pay for when running a server is dedi tbh.

 

[ρяєα¢нєя]

Which is why I mentioned using free forums etc. The only thing you actually need to pay for when running a server is dedi tbh.

Thing is we use our forums as i means of Account database (Makes things far more secure), so your forum details are also your game login details, and free forum services wouldn't be able to support this feature. So we need a legit version of VB.

I suppose you could argue that the above represents the up side to donations, because we've taken a bit of extra money, we've upgraded the account system and made it more secure. People are always going to disagree, its just the way it is, but for all the negatives that people list for donations, there are quite a few positives, if people are willing to invest the money back into the server, which we do with a very large proportion of the money.

EDIT: Also i'd just like to add that i think donations are more "acceptable" (May be the wrong word to use) on a server like FH, as we have the ability to link into external components (like the forum) as we have the code, and most of the time these external components are going to cost money. I'm not saying that 2.3 servers, shouldn't ask for donations as a dedi is a expensive thing to keep running, just that we have the ability to use any extra money more effectivley on the server than 2.3 server owner does, as we can do near enough aything.

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[elohelMeight]

Thing is we use our forums as i means of Account database (Makes things far more secure), so your forum details are also your game login details, and free forum services wouldn't be able to support this feature. So we need a legit version of VB.

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This is fair enough I suppose.

Much safer way of working accounts tbh.

 

[Celsius]

This is fair enough I suppose.

Much safer way of working accounts tbh.

Also better for the players as it has built in password retrieval.

 

[Bon]

I started readin this, then got bored.

Some of you need to just give it a rest...... same old story for years and years

if u dont like my server, and u dont like how its run....... simply dont play it? i dont see why ur so bothered about it if u dont play it

every server online has donations, we aint the only 1s...... MR is 10x worse than us, salvation goes up and down always takin donations, so does evilmir, so does every other fker

jog on pls

 

[Shank]

Wait for preachers new server or wait for MirRevenge both will be good, stay clear of any current ones though as no decent ones up.

 

[Bon]

Wait for preachers new server or wait for MirRevenge both will be good, stay clear of any current ones though as no decent ones up.

dont worry fubu, u wont be playin preachers new server, we'll make sure to hunt down and ban every single character and IP related to u :thumbup2:

 

[Shank]

dont worry fubu, u wont be playin preachers new server, we'll make sure to hunt down and ban every single character and IP related to u :thumbup2:

It's Preachers server not yours?.... i dont really care anyway :thumbup2:

 

[Celsius]

It's Preachers server not yours?.... i dont really care anyway :thumbup2:

Team effort my friend, always is over at FH.

 

[Bon]

It's Preachers server not yours?.... i dont really care anyway :thumbup2:

Joker, you think lind will allow u to play the server when ur tryin to hack the forums?

such a sad little geek fubu, when will u ever grow up and quit mir like u claim to have done a million of times?

and ye, im sure u dont care, thats why ur trying to learn hacks :scared:

Wait for preachers new server or wait for MirRevenge both will be good, stay clear of any current ones though as no decent ones up.

oh just to add.... mir revenge? lol have u seen their forums lately, the bugs are stupid. even standard svn code doesnt have as many bugs as they seem to have

plus who would wanna play ne way, its not a fresh server, ppl are like lvl 300 there.. pointless

 

[IceMan]

post locked

he was asking a nice server not alot of useless spam