well i could have a look at that VB program, i did what Miles suggested today started at about 12:30 today and have only just finished it about 10 minutes ago, it is about 6000 words i think, i am hoping it works but unfortunatly i am at my work experiene at the moment, it is quiet here so they let me go on the internet to email it to myself as i am NOT typing it out again, would somebody like mario or miles have a look if this would work, i think i have checked just about everything. but i did think of a flaw when i was making it, when it checknamelist, it would only check to see if that particular person is in that room, would it check to see if there was generally just a person in there rather than a specific person ( or would it do both check to see if some1 in there, if there is check if it yourself) i shall have to dust off my VB manuals as i have not glanced at it in a while, and i am definatly going to need some help if that is ok

i shall upload the file in a second
gah, well i cant upload it from here so i shall try it when i get home which will be in about 45 minutes i should walk through the door

so check back then.