P4 5 Series vs P4 6 Series vs Athlon 64 Socket 939

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I am thinking of buying a new Rig but was pondering what cpu to aim for. Now the Athlon3800 vs 5 Series 3.6 gigs vs 6 Series (64 bit) 3.4 Gigs.. All Cost about £250+ sort of thing. Looking on Toms hardware site, the P4 rapes the Athlon on most tests apart from SOME games...

List why you would choose what and the reasons behind it...

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html
 

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I know nothing but i was talking to urban about something like this a while ago and he said A64 S939 is 1 of them best atm
 

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CraiG^ said:
I know nothing but i was talking to urban about something like this a while ago and he said A64 S939 is 1 of them best atm

Well Urban did sort of say this before - but WHY is it so?? looking at the link i posted quite clearly shows the P4 outstrips the A64 on most tests. I suppose you could argue that the A64 can do 64 bit OS etc but XP 64Bit is Kinda BETA still (no drivers) and I thought the whole point of 64bit was to get over the 4 gig ram limit yet the boards only feature 3/4 slots at most - I just dont get it tbh.
 

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Demonic said:
Well Urban did sort of say this before - but WHY is it so?? looking at the link i posted quite clearly shows the P4 outstrips the A64 on most tests. I suppose you could argue that the A64 can do 64 bit OS etc but XP 64Bit is Kinda BETA still (no drivers) and I thought the whole point of 64bit was to get over the 4 gig ram limit yet the boards only feature 3/4 slots at most - I just dont get it tbh.
Well AMD is plain the best for a gaming computer, dont ask why... it just is. And i personally would go for the A64 S939 no doubt in that.
 

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Demonic said:
Well Urban did sort of say this before - but WHY is it so?? looking at the link i posted quite clearly shows the P4 outstrips the A64 on most tests. I suppose you could argue that the A64 can do 64 bit OS etc but XP 64Bit is Kinda BETA still (no drivers) and I thought the whole point of 64bit was to get over the 4 gig ram limit yet the boards only feature 3/4 slots at most - I just dont get it tbh.


why the world wud u wont 4 gig of ram 0.0 some people just go over the top......:eek:
 

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SkyDragon said:
why the world wud u wont 4 gig of ram 0.0 some people just go over the top......:eek:

Why buy a CPU that supports more than 4 GIG ram when your never going to get more than 1 gig?? Whole point of 64 bit chips is to smash that 4 gig ram barrier...
 

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Actually, 64bit processors support 512 gigabytes of RAM. But of course motherboards only have 4 slots. It would be worthless to go out and get 4 gigs of RAM (Unless you are going to use the PC mostly for movie editing).

RAM breaks up the data that is given to it and then reasembles it at lighting speeds depending on what RAM you have. Having 4 gigs of RAM is like having a Legend of Mir server team with 500 people. It would't work, there would be too many people to collectively select the data each person gives. It would take a long time too. Therefore if you going to use the PC for gaming, get around 2 Gigs of RAM max. The new games that are coming out (Like BF2) are recommending 2 gigs.

Also, you should get an AMD64 bit. I have it (Built by Urbanfox of course) and it just owns. Intel chips have more GHZ, but in benchmarks AMD out scores them all.

Good Luck.

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The reason A64s are so good for games and P4s so good for media editing/encoding and other such tasks is because of pipelining. There are four basic steps to processing a CPU instruction. First of all, the instruction needs to be fetched from the memory or the CPU cache. The instruction is just a binary value which needs to be decoded so that the CPU knows what it is and what it needs to do with it (this is the second stage). The third stage is the execution of the instruction and the fourth and final stage is storing the result in the correct location in the memory so that the program can continue. In older processors, one instruction would be handled at a time. It would go through each stage in turn and the result would be stored before the next instruction could be fetched.

Pipelining is found in modern processors and means that as soon as one instruction has reached the second stage (the decoding) the next one will be fetched from memory. The instructions will then move along in line so as soon as the first one reaches the third stage, the second goes to the second stage and a new instruction is fetched and so on and so forth.

There is a problem with pipelining though and that is program branches. As most programs are not linear sets of instructions the outcome of one instruction may require the program to jump to another place in memory and continue from there. The problem is that the pipeline will be full of linear instructions and therefore will need to be flushed and filled again with the new set of instructions. I think you can see where this is going now. The deeper the pipeline, the longer it will take for the new instructions to filter through and start producing results.

Pentium 4s have deep pipelines so the penalty for not predicting that a branch will occur will be far more severe than a CPU such as the Athlon 64 which has much shallower pipelines. This is why P4s will excel at media encoding because all that is is just a bunch of linear instructions, they're set out, the program isn't going to jump from encoding one part of a song to converting an entirely different part. The majority of software you come across will be more.. um.. "branchy" so a chip with a shallower pipeline such as the Athlon 64 will benefit.

Hope it helps.
 

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Thanks for that Info Holy Cow and Bio, you can understand my wondering when I trawl Benchamrking Sites and see the A64 only really Excells at games. No matter which one I bought anyhow it would be fast, Games I am not fussed about 100%, all the games I have ever played so far are fine at the res my monitor can support (1280x1024) - you tend not to worry about the odd Jaggy line when bombing about in a FPS game tbh.

At the moment it looks like a A64 3800 with GeForce 6600 seems the best option.
 

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Demonic said:
No matter which one I bought anyhow it would be fast
Exactly. It's what alot of people don't realise, they just get sucked into the arguments between brands and such. The only time you really need to worry about stuff like this is if you need it for a specific activity.
 

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Exactly, like overclocking. But I have an MSI and it has never given my problems. But if you going to be gaming you should honestly get a better video card. Wait untill ATI and Nvidia release their new ones this June. They are about $400-$500, but totally worth it.
 

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The prices only go down when a new card is released. Which will be sometime in the winter of 2005/2006.

But you can still go hang out with your "fags".
 

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The prices only go down when a new card is released. Which will be sometime in the winter of 2005/2006.

But you can still go hang out with your "fags".

So the prices never go down? ... Hmm.

And your end remark, really didnt make sence at all.

fags = cigarettes (i guess its english slang)
 

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Yeah, well the prices go down when they are either A) Used. or B) When new cards come out.


In America "fags" = gay guys.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 

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Biohazard said:
Yeah, well the prices go down when they are either A) Used. or B) When new cards come out.


In America "fags" = gay guys.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Pfft american's :P:P Anyways, i think i am going to buy a A64 S939 also, been wanting to upgrade my comp for quite a bit, and also been raising a bit of cash for that :).
 

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The case which caught my Eye was:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=127841

Basically a Look a Like Apple G5 Case, Im not into these glowing Alien looking things

127841.jpg


Motherboard - I think I will have to look at one that has the ability to do both 24 pin and 20 pin Powersupply as S939 needs a 24 pin Powersupply and Im having trouble locating one atm, Myabe this one:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=154394
 
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