Server list - add your server!
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Tumaruoso said:
For 'Nick' to view/reply/add smilies to a statement that was made outside of LOMCN he would need lomcn, thus I concur that you are him. Now the bull****'s out of the way...
Correct me if I’m wrong:
1) Leocrasher made the first user count for legend of mir 2.
2) There was a need for the usercount, if only to inform the players of the community.
3) There have never recently been over 15 active servers.
4) Leocrasher accounts for every 1.4/1.9 server who wishes to have their information displayed.
5) There is no unseen servers in the market of 'private servers', so thus there is not a need for two competitors. If there ever was a new server to come out, it would most probably be posted in the central hub for everything pmir.. LOMCN, Leocrasher is an admin of lomcn and is a regular visitor. Nick on the other hand (according to him) doesn't even have an account. It all makes so much sense.
Note to ****wits: The above is aimed at the English versions of private servers only
And you really think you can justify a valid "I’m innocent" front? Pathetic. You're a leecher, the type of person who gets banned on forums because they're just a pain in the butt, oh wait.. rofl, how IRONIC.
Firstly to address Nick's direct attacks on me dispite me having little input in this post so far... (my bullets ain't quotes, because I cba to go and get quotes without a proper mouse, instead they retain the essance of what was said).
1. Its not like Leo came up with the server list idea.
-Not entirely true. Before my list, we had a sticky in Mir2 advertisments with a list of servers (not updated regulary). Before that, my application (Front-End) had a list of servers in HTML format. A considerable time later after Auron witnessed me make the first VB version of servercount, the real server list was born. So no I didn't come up with the serverlist, but I damn sure came up with the fully automated one.
2. I doubt leo even gets hits outside of LOMCN.
Not got a clue why you mention that... I think your just being childish now. However I couldn't care of 100% of my referrers were LOMCN users. LOMCN is the centre of the PMir community, and ServerCount is there to serve them. Nevertheless, LOMCN is not my biggest referrer (HTML page wise... G-Analytics analysis doesnt include non-page scripts). On Tuesday I setup some analysis software, of which the latest referral results I'll post ust for you ¬¬
http://leocrasher.myftp.org/images/ref.jpg
3. Why is woool.us filtered?
Like your original banning, it has nothing to do with me (so for christ sake, stop making everything that happens to you look like my fault). Python filtered your site after you annoyed him beyond the point he was willing to go (MSN). I fully support his reaction.
4. Another feeble attempt?
Care to list the others?
5. I liked her until she had her childish go at me.
I'd have agreed... if it were childish or I even had a go at you. You asked for help in creating a competeing list, actively using the 'stick ur tounge out' emoticon. I didn't say anything rude, I didn't insult you. I said that I didn't like you attitude and that, that would be all. Your called me big headed... already signifficanlty annoyed with you I then blocked you. After which point MentaL saw fit to give me a lecture, so I didn't bother unblocking you seeing as you'd took it furthur still.
6. I added a playercount so I must have stole her idea.
I don't see any other Mir2 lists with playercounts. I agree with Sawell on this one, your list almost probably would not exist if mine were not there.
7. Not being bothered to take 2 mins to submit to a list, therefore your lazy and shouldn't be running a server.
Great... insult the very people your list relies on. You should be identifying the problems people have and finding ways to improve.
Nick, your being god damn immature. Its one thing blatently making a copy of someone elses idea without including any major improvements, but its another thing to consistantly attack the creator of the 'original'. I would have no problem with your list if it were a decent alternative - but atm its a poor mans copy!
Now to address some of the other issues users have kindly brought up;
1. Theres no point in two lists.
A few of you have brought up comparisons between realitys where there is more than one of product. What you have thus far neglected to mention is the fact that the second one comes out due to a need or natural evolution of ideas. Lets use x86 machines for example. Theres loads of good top end machines, but there are also cheaper not so good machines. These are there because there is a demand for them. Where is the demand for a poorer list with less features?
-Some of you have mentioed other Mir client/servers. I put this to you, are they developing to be the same or worse than the thing they're trying to recreate, or are they trying to add more features and make it ever so slightly better and (hold the door here)... different? Thats the key which makes the whole thing ever so sligtly 'morally' ok.
2. A system maybe created because the developer simply enjoys doing it.
This is all great, its how learning starts, its how good ideas become good products. It stops becoming great when the developer pits it directly against an existing product without a unique selling point. When something is actively advertised, it stops becoming a 'hobby'. My list is not a hobby, it is there for an obvious purpose.
3. Its not the end of the world, theres two lists now - end of.
Yeah lol, thats true... there are bigger things to worry about, like my coursework. However when you've spent two years developing something, and someone comes along and shoves a cheap copy in your face without showing the TINYEST bit of recognition and respect, lets see if you don't get a tad annoyed.
4. Now theres two, you can compete to result in better lists.
That would be what would have happened, had it been a decent competitor on release. For that reason alone one can assume its a snub. As in my 2nd post on this thread, I've shown that there are better ways to improve a list than use another. When someone wants to play a server, why look at two lists just to get at it?
5. He's trying to help peeps out.
Whats helpful in adding more work to the simple task of finding a server to play?
Whats helpful in implying server owners are lazy for not spending time submitting to a list?
What can actually be considered trying to be helpful here?
6. Directed at Moderator Gimpasaurus: 'Ur only posting here to stick up for leo'
Gimp hadn't posted on this thread until you accused another moderator of deleting your post. That really constitues as being up my arse? In that case ThaOne... since you have actually voiced an opinion - by the same logic you've applied to Gimp I can say your up Nicks arse - which obviously your not. Don't post anything before you can back it up
, moderators are there to keep the place clean. If theres a problem you should contact an admin or post in the complaints section. not in a non-related thread.
/Leo
1. Its not like Leo came up with the server list idea.
-Not entirely true. Before my list, we had a sticky in Mir2 advertisments with a list of servers (not updated regulary). Before that, my application (Front-End) had a list of servers in HTML format. A considerable time later after Auron witnessed me make the first VB version of servercount, the real server list was born. So no I didn't come up with the serverlist, but I damn sure came up with the fully automated one.
2. I doubt leo even gets hits outside of LOMCN.
Not got a clue why you mention that... I think your just being childish now. However I couldn't care of 100% of my referrers were LOMCN users. LOMCN is the centre of the PMir community, and ServerCount is there to serve them. Nevertheless, LOMCN is not my biggest referrer (HTML page wise... G-Analytics analysis doesnt include non-page scripts). On Tuesday I setup some analysis software, of which the latest referral results I'll post ust for you ¬¬
http://leocrasher.myftp.org/images/ref.jpg
3. Why is woool.us filtered?
Like your original banning, it has nothing to do with me (so for christ sake, stop making everything that happens to you look like my fault). Python filtered your site after you annoyed him beyond the point he was willing to go (MSN). I fully support his reaction.
4. Another feeble attempt?
Care to list the others?
5. I liked her until she had her childish go at me.
I'd have agreed... if it were childish or I even had a go at you. You asked for help in creating a competeing list, actively using the 'stick ur tounge out' emoticon. I didn't say anything rude, I didn't insult you. I said that I didn't like you attitude and that, that would be all. Your called me big headed... already signifficanlty annoyed with you I then blocked you. After which point MentaL saw fit to give me a lecture, so I didn't bother unblocking you seeing as you'd took it furthur still.
6. I added a playercount so I must have stole her idea.
I don't see any other Mir2 lists with playercounts. I agree with Sawell on this one, your list almost probably would not exist if mine were not there.
7. Not being bothered to take 2 mins to submit to a list, therefore your lazy and shouldn't be running a server.
Great... insult the very people your list relies on. You should be identifying the problems people have and finding ways to improve.
Nick, your being god damn immature. Its one thing blatently making a copy of someone elses idea without including any major improvements, but its another thing to consistantly attack the creator of the 'original'. I would have no problem with your list if it were a decent alternative - but atm its a poor mans copy!
Now to address some of the other issues users have kindly brought up;
1. Theres no point in two lists.
A few of you have brought up comparisons between realitys where there is more than one of product. What you have thus far neglected to mention is the fact that the second one comes out due to a need or natural evolution of ideas. Lets use x86 machines for example. Theres loads of good top end machines, but there are also cheaper not so good machines. These are there because there is a demand for them. Where is the demand for a poorer list with less features?
-Some of you have mentioed other Mir client/servers. I put this to you, are they developing to be the same or worse than the thing they're trying to recreate, or are they trying to add more features and make it ever so slightly better and (hold the door here)... different? Thats the key which makes the whole thing ever so sligtly 'morally' ok.
2. A system maybe created because the developer simply enjoys doing it.
This is all great, its how learning starts, its how good ideas become good products. It stops becoming great when the developer pits it directly against an existing product without a unique selling point. When something is actively advertised, it stops becoming a 'hobby'. My list is not a hobby, it is there for an obvious purpose.
3. Its not the end of the world, theres two lists now - end of.
Yeah lol, thats true... there are bigger things to worry about, like my coursework. However when you've spent two years developing something, and someone comes along and shoves a cheap copy in your face without showing the TINYEST bit of recognition and respect, lets see if you don't get a tad annoyed.
4. Now theres two, you can compete to result in better lists.
That would be what would have happened, had it been a decent competitor on release. For that reason alone one can assume its a snub. As in my 2nd post on this thread, I've shown that there are better ways to improve a list than use another. When someone wants to play a server, why look at two lists just to get at it?
5. He's trying to help peeps out.
Whats helpful in adding more work to the simple task of finding a server to play?
Whats helpful in implying server owners are lazy for not spending time submitting to a list?
What can actually be considered trying to be helpful here?
6. Directed at Moderator Gimpasaurus: 'Ur only posting here to stick up for leo'
Gimp hadn't posted on this thread until you accused another moderator of deleting your post. That really constitues as being up my arse? In that case ThaOne... since you have actually voiced an opinion - by the same logic you've applied to Gimp I can say your up Nicks arse - which obviously your not. Don't post anything before you can back it up
, moderators are there to keep the place clean. If theres a problem you should contact an admin or post in the complaints section. not in a non-related thread./Leo
I'm not going to make a mile long post like leo because I really am not that great at typing but let me get some points out.
I wonder why leo, lol. Honestly if you think you can claim the whole concept of a server list maybe you should look on google like I said before. You may have made the first legend of mir2 server list(actually chinese have had them out for ages so no you didn't) but like I said you can't claim it then make a fuss when some one else makes one.
Explain how its more work? They open the website and find a server they want to play.. and hell it actually includes some information about the server. Seems like its more then what you offer no?
To close this post.. I thought up the idea for a server list after viewing a top10 list. My general idea was to make it have lots of information also so they could vote on the servers they like. Your serverlist didn't cross my mind till later on when I finished programming myn. I then saw you used the same vb6 concept. If you really want to boast about your server list and if you really want to think your server list played a role in what I made go ahead if it makes you feel better.
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1. You can't claim having the concept of the server list.
Nor did I try to... I claim the first automated one for Mir2 english (not that I have ever seen a dynamic chinese one). I can kick up a fuss when a poorer list comes out and advertises. I don't just argue for no reason, I have a valid argument against your list (and you). About a year ago an ASP server list was released by some low post count user. I didn't say a word on it (I don't think) - I certainly didnt disagree with its existance.
-The reason why is because in all honestly, it was better than what I had at the time (altho it looked horrible). However that list withered away in a matter of weeks and I eventually incorporated everything it had.
2. Explain how (nicks list) its more work
For the server owner:
Submission to the list,
Resubmission on IP change
Retyping details that you've already posted on LOMCN
Upto a 48 hour delay in appearing
For the user:
Clicking a link to get an IP address
Not every available server listed
Not updated regulary
Doesn't keep up with IP changed
No ability to diagonse problems with the server
Having to visit the lists site to get single details
(I could go on)
3. Seems to be more than what you offer?
...LMAO. I'm not going to even dignify that point. You should know as well as anyone with the capabilty to use a web browser, that mine offers more feastures, 10 fold.
Its funny how at first you said you created the list to boost hits to your woool server, now your saying you did it because you saw a top 10 list. Make your mind up. Also its very interesting you don't even attempt to answer most of my other rebuttal, making the excuse that your 'not that great at typing'. Can I imply from that you can't read and respond as a matter of due course of not answering my points, and not being able to type all that well?
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/Leo
Nor did I try to... I claim the first automated one for Mir2 english (not that I have ever seen a dynamic chinese one). I can kick up a fuss when a poorer list comes out and advertises. I don't just argue for no reason, I have a valid argument against your list (and you). About a year ago an ASP server list was released by some low post count user. I didn't say a word on it (I don't think) - I certainly didnt disagree with its existance.
-The reason why is because in all honestly, it was better than what I had at the time (altho it looked horrible). However that list withered away in a matter of weeks and I eventually incorporated everything it had.
2. Explain how (nicks list) its more work
For the server owner:
Submission to the list,
Resubmission on IP change
Retyping details that you've already posted on LOMCN
Upto a 48 hour delay in appearing
For the user:
Clicking a link to get an IP address
Not every available server listed
Not updated regulary
Doesn't keep up with IP changed
No ability to diagonse problems with the server
Having to visit the lists site to get single details
(I could go on)
3. Seems to be more than what you offer?
...LMAO. I'm not going to even dignify that point. You should know as well as anyone with the capabilty to use a web browser, that mine offers more feastures, 10 fold.
Its funny how at first you said you created the list to boost hits to your woool server, now your saying you did it because you saw a top 10 list. Make your mind up. Also its very interesting you don't even attempt to answer most of my other rebuttal, making the excuse that your 'not that great at typing'. Can I imply from that you can't read and respond as a matter of due course of not answering my points, and not being able to type all that well?
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/Leo
I won't argue with server owner part..except for one thing.
If you are running a server does it really matter if theres a 1 to 48 hour delay in your submission being added? Will the server be closed by then?
Heres for your arguments on players finding servers:
All bull,
1: Clicking a link to get an ip address
If thats one of your arguements then wow.
2:not every server listed
Your count lists every server ever up? Stop with the bull leo.. if people want to be on your list they use your sig count. IF they want to be on myn they submit. No difference.
3:Not updated regulary
Whats not updated regulary? The count is updated every 20 seconds.
4oesn't keep up with IP changed
That I agree with..but honestly what respected server runs on a dynamic IP? None that I know of.
5:No ability to diagonse problems with the server
What problems can we really diagonse? Explain because honestly all your arguments are crap.
6:Having to visit the lists site to get single details
What does this mean? You mean clicking information to display more information then you give out? Oh ok.
How does the idea not reflect my other post on wanting to get a boost in hits?
Leo all your arguments are pure crap.
Go ahead and close this thread because honestly i'm not bothering replying to crap like that.
If you are running a server does it really matter if theres a 1 to 48 hour delay in your submission being added? Will the server be closed by then?
Heres for your arguments on players finding servers:
All bull,
1: Clicking a link to get an ip address
If thats one of your arguements then wow.
2:not every server listed
Your count lists every server ever up? Stop with the bull leo.. if people want to be on your list they use your sig count. IF they want to be on myn they submit. No difference.
3:Not updated regulary
Whats not updated regulary? The count is updated every 20 seconds.
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oesn't keep up with IP changedThat I agree with..but honestly what respected server runs on a dynamic IP? None that I know of.
5:No ability to diagonse problems with the server
What problems can we really diagonse? Explain because honestly all your arguments are crap.
6:Having to visit the lists site to get single details
What does this mean? You mean clicking information to display more information then you give out? Oh ok.
How does the idea not reflect my other post on wanting to get a boost in hits?
Leo all your arguments are pure crap.
Go ahead and close this thread because honestly i'm not bothering replying to crap like that.
You won't argue with the server owner part?
So basically your accepting your list is inferior
Does it matter if the showing time is 1 to 48 hours?
Yes, especially if your IP is dynamic and you run into unexpected problems.
1. Click a link to get an IP
Mine shows it on one page... as well as LOMCN user signatures incase your feeling lazy.
2. Leo's list shows every server up.
No, it filters non-latin server names in order to avoid foreign servers. It also doesn't list servers with Port 3000 closed as this as seen as the way of saying 'I dont want to be on the server list'.
3. Nicks list isn't updated regulary
Resubmission for IP changes. Manual additions to the list. No automation.
4. No respectable server runs on a dynamic IP.
There ya go everyone. Your just not good enough for Nick unless you pay for a static IP.
5. Nick is unaware of connection problems.
Gates can go down, while the server and usercount shows the server as being online.
6. Having to visit the list site to get server details.
ServerCount provides signatures for people to use, making visiting the list site unessacery especially if your looking at an advertisment.
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Sorry to the users that can userstand answers that are longer than one sentance... I had to shorten them in order for Nick to reply with his inability to type 'that great'.
@Nick: The best rebuttal you've offered is that my arguments are crap. And considered that is one word compared to my short story... whose argument can honestly be considered crap. Hell all you've managed to do is pick out TWO of the points in my rant, when there was 13 for you to answer.
I'm not going to close this thread (although I have more than enough grounds to). The only reason I moved it to where it should be located is so people could see how much of a little worm you are - at which I think you've done a fantastic job... well done.
Oh and while I'm here you've stopped using quotes. Am I addressing Nick (the guy who was banned for posting links to viruses/cheats and will be banned again upon being seen to access another account), or Tuma... the human quoter? Choose wisely
/Leo
So basically your accepting your list is inferior
Does it matter if the showing time is 1 to 48 hours?
Yes, especially if your IP is dynamic and you run into unexpected problems.
1. Click a link to get an IP
Mine shows it on one page... as well as LOMCN user signatures incase your feeling lazy.
2. Leo's list shows every server up.
No, it filters non-latin server names in order to avoid foreign servers. It also doesn't list servers with Port 3000 closed as this as seen as the way of saying 'I dont want to be on the server list'.
3. Nicks list isn't updated regulary
Resubmission for IP changes. Manual additions to the list. No automation.
4. No respectable server runs on a dynamic IP.
There ya go everyone. Your just not good enough for Nick unless you pay for a static IP.
5. Nick is unaware of connection problems.
Gates can go down, while the server and usercount shows the server as being online.
6. Having to visit the list site to get server details.
ServerCount provides signatures for people to use, making visiting the list site unessacery especially if your looking at an advertisment.
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Sorry to the users that can userstand answers that are longer than one sentance... I had to shorten them in order for Nick to reply with his inability to type 'that great'.
@Nick: The best rebuttal you've offered is that my arguments are crap. And considered that is one word compared to my short story... whose argument can honestly be considered crap. Hell all you've managed to do is pick out TWO of the points in my rant, when there was 13 for you to answer.
I'm not going to close this thread (although I have more than enough grounds to). The only reason I moved it to where it should be located is so people could see how much of a little worm you are - at which I think you've done a fantastic job... well done.
Oh and while I'm here you've stopped using quotes. Am I addressing Nick (the guy who was banned for posting links to viruses/cheats and will be banned again upon being seen to access another account), or Tuma... the human quoter? Choose wisely
/Leo
LeoCrasher said:
I dont agree with this, most servers online atm have a dynamic ip. Mainly though's that have a static are hosted on a dedicated server. And i am sure people would not want to pay out for a static ip just to host a server for people to play in which they dont make a profit or any money back. I certainly wouldnt want to pay 50 quid for a static ip, which is what i have to pay in order to get one with my isp. Anywayz, most people's ip's don't change much because they leave there pc on 24/7 along with there internet connection. So nick, you should respect the fact that there are servers even up, weather static ip or dynamic.
i think this is turned out like a childish bicker. i think that if leo's status page wasnt there you would have never thought of it. you shud just give up cause you wont win the arguement. just leave it as it is and continue with it if you wish. leo's is the better imo and i think that there is no need for another.
its funny seeing sawell post in proper english he he.
its funny seeing sawell post in proper english he he.
LeoCrasher said:6. Directed at Moderator Gimpasaurus: 'Ur only posting here to stick up for leo'
Gimp hadn't posted on this thread until you accused another moderator of deleting your post. That really constitues as being up my arse? In that case ThaOne... since you have actually voiced an opinion - by the same logic you've applied to Gimp I can say your up Nicks arse - which obviously your not. Don't post anything before you can back it up
/Leo
glad to see that u read my post wrong leo, i said to gimp (who deleated my post) that every one had ther tongue in ur ass. i never said gimp had his tongue in ur ass, read the post again before u ***** at me about nuffin
SpiritWalker said:
doesent matter if he had never thort of it, considering he made it to help insted of cause childish bikering with leo (which i never thort i wud see from leo but ah wel her/his choice). wat ever floats ur boat leo :agree:
ash1234 said:
even tho this is directed at nick i disagree with u. respect that servers are up? if mir servers wernt up, join wow servers if WOW servers aint up, join gunz servers. ther are thousands of games servers out there so i will never respect them i only play them
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Leo truth really came out in the last few posts. You're big headed like I always thought you were.
You keep re-posting crap that has nothing to do with what I said. You're just boasting about your server list.
For example:
You implied that you display every single server up even if they don't use your sig. I then said:
Its so funny to watch some one who had some respect act like a complete child.
I claim the first Mir2 and Woool english server list
Guess I really didn't copy you did I?
You make me laugh. Go ahead and ban tumas account useless really, will stop me from showing the true side of you.
You keep re-posting crap that has nothing to do with what I said. You're just boasting about your server list.
For example:
You implied that you display every single server up even if they don't use your sig. I then said:
Simply boasting.
Its so funny to watch some one who had some respect act like a complete child.
I claim the first Mir2 and Woool english server list
Guess I really didn't copy you did I?
You make me laugh. Go ahead and ban tumas account useless really, will stop me from showing the true side of you.
ThaOne said:
Sorry I misunderstood the meaning of 'ther'. I can only understand English unfortunately.
ThaOne said:
Actually, half of this thread deals with the 'why' of Nick's list was made. Saying that he made it to help is a matter of some controversy.
ThaOne said:
I think you need to reread Ash's post. The overall point was that a server shouldn't be held to less just because of how tempo its IP address is, not that it needs 'respect'. Sorry... do I have to rap that for you to understand?
/Leo
Tumaruoso said:
Says the one who can't say a thing on MSN without using an emoticon which sticks its tongue out. What type of connotations do you think that brings. Since my ego has been brought into question though... I admit its the size of several housing estates - but whats your real point here? It doesn't cause anyone any harm and I help people wherever I can?
Tumaruoso said:
No, I pay you the respect of answering every point you make. You can't come on here and tell me I talk about stuff that has nothing to do with what you said... when your given the oppertunity to answer, you only answer 2 out of 13 points. 2 OUT OF 13!
Tumaruoso said:
Know what else is funny? Someone making a second account and pretending to be a friend to themselves.
Tumaruoso said:
One problem, you can't make the claim for the Mir2 part. Infact... you can't make the claim for the WoooL part since OSP was on my list for a few hours before I added to the 'ignore' list (I don't want WoooL server just yet).
/Leo
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LeoCrasher said:
Allow me.
Code:
Yo' Fo' Sho
These nigs wit da server,
dey dunt ate da playa,
dey ride y' momma,
cuz yuze a fukin MORON.So my rapping skills aren't too good. I'll lose SO much sleep over that.
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Shame on all of you. The fact that Nick has made this abomination is bad enough. The fact that you're all arguing as a result of it is just the foul icing on this crock of crap.
¤]´)÷¤--§îr Äürøñ--¤÷(`[¤ said:
Sowwy daddy *sniff*.
One day I'm gonna get you a Gandalf (LOTR) avatar... suits you better than the current ones
/Leo
LeoCrasher said:
no need rap it, simply u jumping off a cliff would set a better standard.
cant read english huh? u seemed to be able to read it fine in the emails ive sent u, im suprised that u av admitted that ur gettin dumber shocking considering all the big headed posts u av put down.
LeoCrasher said:Sowwy daddy *sniff*.
One day I'm gonna get you a Gandalf (LOTR) avatar... suits you better than the current ones
/Leo
and i thort u wer trying to act clever in ur over posts? thort u wer supose to be like 30 summat? grow up
Trust me leo it wasn't me who used your sig count crap. No I can claim it because I actually added support for it.
I mean if you think you can claim legend of mir2 I'll claim every other game in existance hows that?
Yes I have a bit of an emoticon problem but what are you implying, oh wait here it is again.. that your better then me right?
I mean if you think you can claim legend of mir2 I'll claim every other game in existance hows that?
Yes I have a bit of an emoticon problem but what are you implying, oh wait here it is again.. that your better then me right?
Tumaruoso said:
he thinks hes betta than u since he emphasises that he made the server count. no one cares leo get it
LeoCrasher said:
calm down :S im perfectly calm, no prob on this end must b u
. tell another admin? if they did anything u wud just take off the server count till they put u back. abuse? when have i said something remotely abusive to u. u aint seen nothing
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¤]´)÷¤--§îr Äürøñ--¤÷(`[¤ said:
rofl at the rap
you should write lyrics tbh lol punk: wiked rap Sorry for posting this. But i thought that was the quickest, funniest rap i have seen, it owns loool.
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