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JohnBarny

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Right a few months ago i got arrested and recieved a section 5 im wanting to become a teacher and wondered can this affect it?

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What is a section 5?
Section 5 - Conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress

This is by far the most commonly used piece of legislation on demos, and the one with which activists will be most familiar. A person is guilty of this offence if he
a) uses threatening, abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,
within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress.
 

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Section 5 - Conduct likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress

This is by far the most commonly used piece of legislation on demos, and the one with which activists will be most familiar. A person is guilty of this offence if he
a) uses threatening, abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
b) displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting,
within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress.

these section 5's should be given out like candy to lomcn members tbh lol
 

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Was a fixedpenalty but i refused to pay so could be a court hearing enless i pay a larger fine :s recon i should just pay larger fine?

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Not the best idea refussing to pay, court means you will get a record. Paying the fine would of stopped you getting a record.
 

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if you get a fine pay it. And shoudn't eeffect you being a teacher or 1/2 my teachers - bi bi lol. My PE teacher calls people Pilloks, planks, insults em etc. I even seen a teacher shove a kid against the wall :S And as for
"a) uses threatening, abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour". Surely threatening to give out detentions is a breach of this rule :P??? ( im a goodie two shoes, so no detentions for moi!)
 

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Depends on the context of it, they will obviously do a background check on you so its best to say somthing along the lines of "it was a mistake blah blah and i learned from it."

Also, why didn't you pay the fine right away? Unless your sure you can dispute and overturn the original penalty, there is no reason to refuse to pay, unless you enjoy losing more money. If you go to court, your going to have to pay costs on top of it as well. No point fighting the system unless your defending yourself.
 

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What happend was my friend went into the petrol station wrong way (about 11pm so no one there) but a police officer watched him do it so as my mate was paying he shouted out of the car thats the wrong way you twat to him so my mate turned and laughed and carried on paying then the police officer jumped out car and started pushing him so i jumped out and told him he cant do that then he pushed me so i pinned him against wall by his jacket and he cuffed me, then when i was in back of police car he procided to punch me. This was all on cctv accept the punch in the car which was seen by 2 passersby so i was just going to goto court to fight it.
 

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What happend was my friend went into the petrol station wrong way (about 11pm so no one there) but a police officer watched him do it so as my mate was paying he shouted out of the car thats the wrong way you twat to him so my mate turned and laughed and carried on paying then the police officer jumped out car and started pushing him so i jumped out and told him he cant do that then he pushed me so i pinned him against wall by his jacket and he cuffed me, then when i was in back of police car he procided to punch me. This was all on cctv accept the punch in the car which was seen by 2 passersby so i was just going to goto court to fight it.

Tbh mate i wouldn't bother, them kinda of things you never win.The court will allways favour the police.
 

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What happend was my friend went into the petrol station wrong way (about 11pm so no one there) but a police officer watched him do it so as my mate was paying he shouted out of the car thats the wrong way you twat to him so my mate turned and laughed and carried on paying then the police officer jumped out car and started pushing him so i jumped out and told him he cant do that then he pushed me so i pinned him against wall by his jacket and he cuffed me, then when i was in back of police car he procided to punch me. This was all on cctv accept the punch in the car which was seen by 2 passersby so i was just going to goto court to fight it.

Go on pal. TBH police officiers are no different to use *common people* as they call us. SOON as they put that jacket on, they think they world is their shell and they can do the **** what they want. So let me tell you this they cant and you did right pal. I would go to court and sue him.

Good luck mate.
 

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yeh take on the law...good luck with that one...

just think of The Clash..
They thought the law and the law won ;)
 
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Lol, well this thread took an intresting turn.

1. Police officers dont call you "common people" not sure where you got that from, at worst your called "civillians".

2. Your conception that every police officer thinks "the world is their shell" isn't only really ****ed up, (because that would be like saying they think the world protects them) but wrong.

3. I've never seen anyone in the police abuse a member of the public, im not saying it doesn't happen, but your moronic idea that they do it to everyone is seriously ****ing stupid, and you need a reality check.

in Reagrds to Johnbarney.

If what you say is true, then you wouldn't be going to court to dispute your charges. If your making a complaint against the police then you either go to their station and speak to their senior officer, or do so in writing.

The case is then either handled in the local system, or done formally under the independant police complaints comission. They look at the evidence, talk to witnesses, and make the deicisions. If he was found to be the "antagonist" then you would have had your charges dropped. Then you would have the option of taking him to court for damages should your compaint prove to be fair and correct.

If your going to court to fight it, then youw ill probably be told it has to be handled by the police's own system, and before people like "SirSimpson" who think the police are all drug dealers who batter everyone comes in to talk more ****. You're FAR more likely to get a result via the IPCC than you are against the court system which is made of people who are generally sympathetic to the police. The IPCC looks at the case from an entirely neutral standpoint, the court system usually looks at it from the officers point of veiw because the courts see police officers as completely honest and intelligent (which 99.99% of officers are)

In truth, I honestly cannot see a police officer being stupid enough to go out of his way to pick a fight like that at a petrol station, as almost every petrol station in the UK has CCTV. If he did, then he deserves what he gets, but nothing will happen to him in the court system, you need to go through the correct channels.
 

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atom ****ing hell all you talk is bull**** youve picked uip on google search m8 you know nothing of real life, i have a m8 who lives near me who was arrested taken into a cell by police officers who put a mattress on top off him and punched **** out of him, trust me this **** does happen.

honestly myself if this happend to me id find out who this officer is and take into my own hands and deal with it when the guys off his shift, i wouldnt contest it as ive read in papers and on the net of how corrupted police forces are.

as for going into a petrol station the wrong way its stupid but is done all the time and is an honest mistake, if you are going to contest the law enforcers courts are going to be bias, so if i was you id pay the fine and hope i ran into the police officer off shift and show him how a punch is really thrown.
 

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Lol, another hardman who thinks the police are out to brutalise the country. I wonder where I should start? I would like you to point out the "bull****" in my post because oddly enough, you make some points that are identical to mine. Lets look at some comparisons:

I said "im not saying it doesn't happen"
You said: "trust me this **** does happen"



I said: "the court system which is made of people who are generally sympathetic to the police"

You said: "courts are going to be bias"

I told him to pay the fine
and you told him to pay the fine.

The fact is, your just yet another retard who thinks fighting "the system" and the police makes you cool. Now before you go shouting your huge mouth off getting your verbal diahorrea all over the forum about how your going to find the police officer a punch him etc, perhaps I should explain that im a trainee police community support officer. Therefore, I know what im talking about, I know how complaints are handled.

If you truly think all police officers are out to brutalise and destroy your life, like that moron "SirSimpson" then leave the country, go somewhere like spain, russia, or any of the other countries where the police officers WILL brutalise you for whatever reason they feel like and when you go to ledge a complaint they will laugh at you and throw an extra year onto your setance for your crime of speaking your mind.

I expect there is the occasional officer who decides to punch some guy in the face for whatever reason, and it shoudn't happen. However far more often are the retard criminals who batter some guy in the street, run from the police, attmept to fight the police, then cry because they resisted arrest and got hurt.

Also, punching an officer off duty doesn't mean you get away with it. If that was the case, then we could all go round punching people who aren't police officers. Odd isnt it, you've posted so much **** that your hands are covered in it, yet im the "bull****ter" because i don't support the "lets fight the police" spastics campaign.