Found 1 Reason for all my lag!

[Miriganu]

After the reboot this weekend i wasnt lagging! Every after my laptop was on for a long time and was running war/hot. Why you ask? Because there were only like 20 stalls open! I really think thats a big reason i lag, when there are 50-80 stalls open. Is there something we can do about this? Idea i had was make it so stalls only stay open for 12-24 hours, not forever. Or just get the trust merchant working...Or just have a marketplace on forum and sell things lol.
Yes i know the ultimate fix would be a laptop with better gfx card, but im not spending hundreds of $$ to play mir lag free lol

 

[Foopah]

To make a PC that will run Mir you will need : 1x Toaster, 1x Hamster wheel, 2x Hamster (per week), some sticky-back plastic, some egg cartons (just ask mummy not to throw them away for a week or so) and a hammer.

Once you have collected everything you need, throw it all in the bin and go on ebay, buy yourself a crappy single core pc with 1gb ram and 500mb graphics card and you are sorted.

 

[Slipmatt]

To make a PC that will run Mir you will need : 1x Toaster, 1x Hamster wheel, 2x Hamster (per week), some sticky-back plastic, some egg cartons (just ask mummy not to throw them away for a week or so) and a hammer.

Once you have collected everything you need, throw it all in the bin and go on ebay, buy yourself a crappy single core pc with 1gb ram and 500mb graphics card and you are sorted.

Seems we have a joker.. this is a serious matter for a lot of us.. tbh i put it down to the lighting system in place on here!

 

[Foopah]

Really? Might be something to do with laptops are utter gash and over heat just under normal use. Having all those important components so close to each other for a start. I honestly could not imagine having a laptop for little more than a hmmm, I wouldn't even have one. Also, I had a PC 3rd hand from a mate who got it from his Gran... 500mb ram, even smaller graphics and the processor was like 1.2Ghz That thing ran mir so sweet some servers kept getting messages about my speed or I get lagged out with stupid violation errors. But really, if you want to get better, go older... These new fancy graphics cards don't know what to do with themselves when you ask it to run a 2.5D game... It keeps trying to find the other 1/2 a Dimension. (lol sorry, another joke, hope that's ok)

And sorry if I offended you with my joke makings.

 

[Samuel]

I really think thats a big reason i lag, when there are 50-80 stalls open.

Doubtful, also I hope that if we do implement a trust merchant, it wouldn't be a traditional trust merchant but actually make use of stall's and just provide a graphical interface for people selling goods with an open stall. This is undecided, but it is what I would like other wise a really awesome feature is not being used.

tbh i put it down to the lighting system in place on here!

Again doubtful, if it was the case of the lighting system over the graphics engine or any other aspect, then all would be experiencing it, not a select few.

Suggestions for investigation
Graphical Lag
Download fraps and have it running in the background to keep an eye on your fps (yellow numbers top left), this should be between 30-60, if it is below this then the reason you are experiencing lag is because your graphics card is unable to cope, you can attempt to following to ease it:
- Run the client in windowed mode (I can't stress this one enough, the development team have only really tested in windowed mode and although the option is available we have no idea of what issues it may cause).
- Run with the large interface over the small (People have experienced issues with the smaller interface causing lag in the passed, this is due to a missing or corrupt image that the client expects to be available).
- Lower your resolution on environments with a lower max resolution, e.g. if your system resolution is 1024x768, then don't use the 1024x786 client resolution, pop it down once to 1024x600.
- Finally client color depth to 32-bit to 16-bit.

I suggest trying each step individually and giving it a test to see if any have worked.

System Lag
When you start lagging, open task manager and check on mir2.exe's process, take note of what the cpu usage is and if it is low then have a look for any other processes that have a high cpu usage...

If you find a process with a high cpu usage, kill it (within reason make sure its not important) and then investigate what it is lol.

The fact that some people experience this lag and others don't (regardless of laptop spec, I and I know a bunch of other people run the client fine with a crap spec laptop) suggests that it is an environment issue...

Sam

 

[Liandrin2]

I have the same issue on my laptop and I very much doubt that it's related to the stalls.

I figured it would be some sort of pixel/vertex shader or HT&L problem but never cared to look into it.

Also Foopah stop giving advice as it's literally terrible.

 

[Foopah]

I have the same issue on my laptop and I very much doubt that it's related to the stalls.

I figured it would be some sort of pixel/vertex shader or HT&L problem but never cared to look into it.

Also Foopah stop giving advice as it's literally terrible.

It was never meant to be taken seriously (well am serious about the laptops being gash and getting a real computer). Seriously, lighten up, everyone in this forum seems on edge and ready to explode if anyone makes a funny. If I can't play around and have a little fun (while taking the piss out of people sometimes) then I might as well say "**** you lot, am outta this forum."

 

[Liandrin2]

It was never meant to be taken seriously (well am serious about the laptops being gash and getting a real computer). Seriously, lighten up, everyone in this forum seems on edge and ready to explode if anyone makes a funny. If I can't play around and have a little fun (while taking the piss out of people sometimes) then I might as well say "**** you lot, am outta this forum."

What's with the emo rant, maybe you should, you know, lighten up....

Just didn't want anyone thinking that laptops are "gash" or that an older gfx card will make things better.

 

[Samuel]

What's with the emo rant, maybe you should, you know, lighten up....

Just didn't want anyone thinking that laptops are "gash" or that an older gfx card will make things better.

I think this can be some what true for older versions of Mir running the old graphics engine, but your correct it would have the opposite effect for AceM2 and having an older outdated computer will result it lag on this server where you may have experienced speed on older out of date servers.

Sam

 

[Miriganu]

ill try all that stuff Sam, thanks. The stalls thing was just something i have notice. When reboots happen and less people are online (including stalls) my lag rarely happens.
In reply to getting a newer/older laptop..im on a few year old HP laptop...its a pos tbh. Good cpu and memory, but a very generic graphics card

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So i just downloaded fraps and as i was in tao town weapon store my fps was 40-45. As i ran to the sz where a few people were, my fps droped to 10-20 fps. Ill repost what happens when lag hits

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just had lag start and fps dropped to 10-14. Was mining with 2 other people around me.
When i try to drop the color depth to 16 i click apply and save and it says @ 32. How can i actually apply the change?

 

[Samuel]

ill try all that stuff Sam, thanks. The stalls thing was just something i have notice. When reboots happen and less people are online (including stalls) my lag rarely happens.
In reply to getting a newer/older laptop..im on a few year old HP laptop...its a pos tbh. Good cpu and memory, but a very generic graphics card

---------- Post Merged at 04:03 PM ---------- Previous Post was at 03:46 PM ----------

So i just downloaded fraps and as i was in tao town weapon store my fps was 40-45. As i ran to the sz where a few people were, my fps droped to 10-20 fps. Ill repost what happens when lag hits

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just had lag start and fps dropped to 10-14. Was mining with 2 other people around me.
When i try to drop the color depth to 16 i click apply and save and it says @ 32. How can i actually apply the change?

If you relog has the change taken effect?

Also, have you got the latest drivers for your graphics card?

Go to start and run/search for dxdiag...

From here post screen shots of your "System" and "Display" tabs.

Sam

 

[Miriganu]

Graphics card is updated.
After re-logging, the color depth does not change.
Also wondering, in properties>Comparability (right click Mir icon) there are multiple options:
Run program in compatibility mode for: Gives options of Win95 up to Win7
Run in 266 colors (tried that it was horrible! lol)
Disable visual Themes
Disable desktop composition
Disable display scaling on high DPI settings
Should i mess with any of that?
Thanks again for all the help

 

[Samuel]

Graphics card is updated.
After re-logging, the color depth does not change.
Also wondering, in properties>Comparability (right click Mir icon) there are multiple options:
Run program in compatibility mode for: Gives options of Win95 up to Win7
Run in 266 colors (tried that it was horrible! lol)
Disable visual Themes
Disable desktop composition
Disable display scaling on high DPI settings
Should i mess with any of that?
Thanks again for all the help

And under your system tab what version of direct x do you have installed?

Also what mode are you playing in windowed or full screen?

And for a sanity check can you attempt to ctrl+enter into the opposite mode... e.g. if your in windowed, ctrl+enter into full screen.

And you should be able to change your "mir2.ini" file to force colours... Open it up and change "BitDepth" to 0.

Sam

 

[Liandrin2]

You have a similar graphics card to me and I'm going to guess this is a common problem I've come across a number of times with games.

The intel chips lack support for Hardware Transform and Lighting which basically allows the graphics card to handle any vertex processing. Without the support the vertex processing is handled by your cpu which is alot slower and therefore leads to huge FPS hits.

Some games that use techniques to avoid alot of transforms (WOW for example) will probably run pretty well on this chipset but games like Mir (where I imagine has been programmed to transform each small texture) will take a big hit to FPS.

This is a common issue with these chips but this might not be the issue and it may be different issues for different people, people with a really good CPU might be able to power through without any noticable FPS loss.

Sadly other than a large and possibly complicated redesign of the code (which might not even be possible) there's not much you can do about this other than lower the resolution so that less textures are being displayed.

Hopefully I'm wrong and it's something else that's easier to solve, I'll try and take a closer look if I get a chance.

Edit : Damn, sorry for the essay.

 

[Miriganu]

No, thanks for the essay! Ive been trying to find out whats going on and THERE it is lol
The only thing that baffles me is that after reboots when less people are online, i dont have the lag issue when fighting mobs. Put more than 4 players on my screen and it all goes to hell lol
So lame that a laptop years after the creation of MIR cant even handle it lol

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And under your system tab what version of direct x do you have installed?

Also what mode are you playing in windowed or full screen?

And for a sanity check can you attempt to ctrl+enter into the opposite mode... e.g. if your in windowed, ctrl+enter into full screen.

And you should be able to change your "mir2.ini" file to force colours... Open it up and change "BitDepth" to 0.

Sam

dirext x is fully updated
ive tried in windowed and full screen and both have the same lag issue
and ive done the ctrl+enter both directions multiple times
Ill try changing the ini now though. Thanks for the ideas and help, much appreciated

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hmm. i have no mir.ini file. maybe thats a problem? lol

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nevermind. got it

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so ive tried it all and no change. 2 days ago i had no lag at all, not sure why. back on last night and today and its back.
guess i just have to deal with it. thanks for trying to help