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Always amazes me seeing people with such big ego's on a game with such a low skill cap like Mir.

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Always amazes me seeing people with such big ego's on a game with such a low skill cap like Mir.

 

[Insinia123]

Always amazes me seeing people with such big ego's on a game with such a low skill cap like Mir.

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Always amazes me seeing people with such big ego's on a game with such a low skill cap like Mir.

What game do you class as having a high skill cap out of interest?

 

[Repo]

StarCraft.

 

[Slipmatt]

StarCraft.

Muppet, be gone.

 

[Repo]

Muppet, be gone.

Whats wrong kid, did I upset you in some way? I was simply answering the mans question. If you disagree with my answer then you're clueless about gaming in general.

 

[^G0trex]

always amazes me seeing people with such big ego's on a game with such a low skill cap like mir.

this!

 

[Slipmatt]

Whats wrong kid, did I upset you in some way? I was simply answering the mans question. If you disagree with my answer then you're clueless about gaming in general.

Iv been gaming for 13/14 year now I'm not clueless I just fail to understand why you're here if your such a Starcraft fan, personally I hate that game, the only reason why I'm such a mir fan is purely the fact it's such a social game you get to have a good laugh and chat whilst meeting new people, a lot of games are very anti social nowadays. As for 'kid' I'll take that as a compliment.

 

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Iv been gaming for 13/14 year now I'm not clueless I just fail to understand why you're here if your such a Starcraft fan, personally I hate that game, the only reason why I'm such a mir fan is purely the fact it's such a social game you get to have a good laugh and chat whilst meeting new people, a lot of games are very anti social nowadays. As for 'kid' I'll take that as a compliment.

Where in the hell did I say I was such a starcraft fan?? Oo you know I hate the game like you do, but that doesn't mean I cant respect the huge skill cap it has, I don't even play the game, but I do watch all the major tournaments and its crazy how good some ppl are at it. And just because I said mir has low skill cap doesn't mean I hate it either, infact I have had most fun in mir then on any game I think, hence why im back here waiting on this server. Think before posting such an idiotic insult next time, thanks.

 

[SlippitySchlong]

StarCrapft.

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[Jicaa]

Mir really doesn't require much skill, however I never do much pvp in it, only whenever a guild hunt I was on had a good fight going on.

But even then I usually died to being lazy, out numbered or out geared by everyone(I keep too myself 90% of the time I play and just say hi to everyone I pass whatever the guild they are in), I just find it fun to run around forever not dying.

Majority of the time I don't even bother joining a guild to start, eventually end up at whichever guild treated me more nicely when they noticed me levelling ;D

 

[SlippitySchlong]

eventually end up at whichever guild treated me more nicely when they noticed me levelling ;D

Aaawww!

 

[jez]

eventually end up at whichever guild treated me more nicely when they noticed me levelling ;D

It wont be the firm then, They'll rob your eyeballs out ya sockets :P

 

[Jacko]

Where in the hell did I say I was such a starcraft fan?? Oo you know I hate the game like you do, but that doesn't mean I cant respect the huge skill cap it has, I don't even play the game, but I do watch all the major tournaments and its crazy how good some ppl are at it. And just because I said mir has low skill cap doesn't mean I hate it either, infact I have had most fun in mir then on any game I think, hence why im back here waiting on this server. Think before posting such an idiotic insult next time, thanks.

I disagree on the opinion that Starcraft has a "high skillcap"
The only real thing it requires is basic understanding of the game and tactical experience
tactical experience isn't something that you'd only get from playing Starcraft and the action you have to do aren't hard either
the power in starcraftbcomes from knowledge not skill.


An example of a game that requires skill is a game called "Osu!"

It requires a good ability to react
it requires perfect control of your mouse
it requires you to have a very good sense of timing
and you have to have fast fingers

Heres a video of this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HU_S1VkG9k

Thr only thing knowledge in this game brings you knowing the song out of your head but there are 1000's of songs thus making knowledge not really reliable but makes it rely on pure skill

If you do not understand what you're doing playing this game I can briefly explain it

You have to click or press a key/ your mouse on the timing of the song on those circles
While pressing the mouse / key you have to navigate the mouse in the order of the numbers on the circles over the pattern
missing circles will make you lose a sort of hp bar and when it reaches zero you fail
when missing or making a mistake your streak will reset making you earn less points
the higher the streak the better

These songs go from easy to do till almost impossible songs like the one in the video

Anyways this is an example of a game with a high skillcap

 

[Rollcage]

I disagree on the opinion that Starcraft has a "high skillcap"
The only real thing it requires is basic understanding of the game and tactical experience
tactical experience isn't something that you'd only get from playing Starcraft and the action you have to do aren't hard either
the power in starcraftbcomes from knowledge not skill.


An example of a game that requires skill is a game called "Osu!"

It requires a good ability to react
it requires perfect control of your mouse
it requires you to have a very good sense of timing
and you have to have fast fingers

Heres a video of this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HU_S1VkG9k

Thr only thing knowledge in this game brings you knowing the song out of your head but there are 1000's of songs thus making knowledge not really reliable but makes it rely on pure skill

If you do not understand what you're doing playing this game I can briefly explain it

You have to click or press a key/ your mouse on the timing of the song on those circles
While pressing the mouse / key you have to navigate the mouse in the order of the numbers on the circles over the pattern
missing circles will make you lose a sort of hp bar and when it reaches zero you fail
when missing or making a mistake your streak will reset making you earn less points
the higher the streak the better

These songs go from easy to do till almost impossible songs like the one in the video

Anyways this is an example of a game with a high skillcap

looks like it requires skill yes, but seems more like its dependant on memorising patterns, i could be wrong as i know nothing about this game (only seen this one vid), but thats just my 2p

 

[Aldor]

I disagree on the opinion that Starcraft has a "high skillcap"
The only real thing it requires is basic understanding of the game and tactical experience
tactical experience isn't something that you'd only get from playing Starcraft and the action you have to do aren't hard either
the power in starcraftbcomes from knowledge not skill.

Not at all, Starcraft 2 (not a fan also) has an extremely high skill cap due to it's APM (actions per minute) requirement in addition to tactics/strategy. If you've not heard of APM before check out this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCLqryN-Q (guy with wemade t-shirt ftw)

Apparently Starcraft 2 tournament winners reach an APM of 400+ which from what I understand is one of the highest required on any competitive game on the market atm. So yes Starcraft 2 has a high skill cap, fact.

Whoever says Mir has a high skill cap doesn't know what they're talking about. The only time APM comes into play in Mir is who can type "owned" or "lol" the quickest in PvP.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glSiSoAounY <-- This guy lost the SC2 grand final this year.

 

[Liandrin2]

Did somebody try and claim Starcraft has a low skill cap?

Can't have, nobody could be that stupid....

 

[Repo]

I disagree on the opinion that Starcraft has a "high skillcap"
The only real thing it requires is basic understanding of the game and tactical experience
tactical experience isn't something that you'd only get from playing Starcraft and the action you have to do aren't hard either
the power in starcraftbcomes from knowledge not skill.



An example of a game that requires skill is a game called "Osu!"

It requires a good ability to react
it requires perfect control of your mouse
it requires you to have a very good sense of timing
and you have to have fast fingers

Heres a video of this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HU_S1VkG9k

Thr only thing knowledge in this game brings you knowing the song out of your head but there are 1000's of songs thus making knowledge not really reliable but makes it rely on pure skill

If you do not understand what you're doing playing this game I can briefly explain it

You have to click or press a key/ your mouse on the timing of the song on those circles
While pressing the mouse / key you have to navigate the mouse in the order of the numbers on the circles over the pattern
missing circles will make you lose a sort of hp bar and when it reaches zero you fail
when missing or making a mistake your streak will reset making you earn less points
the higher the streak the better

These songs go from easy to do till almost impossible songs like the one in the video

Anyways this is an example of a game with a high skillcap

Sorry but its hard for me to reply to this with a serious post, even more so that you have linked some random arcade game and not only compared it to starcraft but even said it has a higher skill cap. I will forgive you and just assume you have never watched/played sc2.

There is not any game like it in "esports" at the moment when it comes to skill, there is a reason why pro players need to play 10-15 hours a day everyday just to not fall behind, and im not even gonna talk about those crazy Koreans.

There is basicly a major tournament with £50,000-£100,000 prize pool every month.

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players You only need to look at this to see how much the players have made from the game, number 1 being a StarCraft player

 

[LionMir]

Sorry but its hard for me to reply to this with a serious post, even more so that you have linked some random arcade game and not only compared it to starcraft but even said it has a higher skill cap. I will forgive you and just assume you have never watched/played sc2.There is not any game like it in "esports" at the moment when it comes to skill, there is a reason why pro players need to play 10-15 hours a day everyday just to not fall behind, and im not even gonna talk about those crazy Koreans. There is basicly a major tournament with £50,000-£100,000 prize pool every month.http://www.esportsearnings.com/players You only need to look at this to see how much the players have made from the game, number 1 being a StarCraft player

Nice info but doesnt accurately show top earners, I know Ocelot earns $800,000+ per year

 

[Repo]

Nice info but doesnt accurately show top earners, I know Ocelot earns $800,000+ per year

Well yea that's just from prize winnings, obviously you have their team paying them a wage too, and considering jaedong is on EG which is most likely the richest team in the business he will still be top earner. Wouldn't surprise me if they were paying him 1mil+ for a 1 year contract.

 

[Jacko]

Sorry but its hard for me to reply to this with a serious post, even more so that you have linked some random arcade game and not only compared it to starcraft but even said it has a higher skill cap. I will forgive you and just assume you have never watched/played sc2.

There is not any game like it in "esports" at the moment when it comes to skill, there is a reason why pro players need to play 10-15 hours a day everyday just to not fall behind, and im not even gonna talk about those crazy Koreans.

There is basicly a major tournament with £50,000-£100,000 prize pool every month.

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players You only need to look at this to see how much the players have made from the game, number 1 being a StarCraft player

still will have to disagree with you.
unless you say knowledge is a skill i'd agree
but as i saw this guy at top of esports even played warcraft and was best in that game too.
this means this guys has tons of experience and the skill isn't game reliant it's just pure knowledge
i'll agree performing those action aren't easy at 400 per minute but they do go from just pressing f1 or selecting a single squad even any "decent" player should atleast act out 200 actions per minute or they aren't familiar with the RTS scene.
I'm just stating it isn't just skill it's the experience and knowledge also outplaying your enemy all those things are based on knowledge.
the thing where skill comes in is when you have a confrontation in the game and you can place your unit accordingly and outplay an enemy at the moment of a battle where you retreat unit's and make others attack simutaneosly.

I can give you another example
League of legends is a game proclaimed to be having a "high skillcap"
but it's very similiar to starcraft it's based on knowledge, the ability to react and tactical experience.
with tactical experience comes a good judgement and knowing the players insideout.
but the movement or shooting a skill ain't that hard and tactical experience comes in when using your good sense of judgement to hit your skillshots
"this ain't a "skill"but it's knowing where to shoot"
If you would specify knowledge and being smart "as a pure skill"then i'd certainly agree with you
but if im talking about skill i'm talking about hard tasks not a knowledge game.
cause then there'd be a game with an even higher skillcap then any of these noted and it's called O: Chess

Btw the money made from the game doesn't say much about the skill required it's mostly decided by the popularity of the game and streams.
for example soccer and golf
i wont deny they both earn a pretty penny but soccer shurely earns alot more due to sheer popularity
cause if you'd ask me being a pro golfer is alot harder and requires alot more "skill"

anyways i won't deny starcraft is one of the harder games to play at high level but i can't say it has a high skillcap unless knowledge is specified as a skill

also those teams get paid by their sponsors not the team itself