Have you considered?

[mattdm]

you are both not seeing the point i was making. when a gm says something is ok people will do it. if the gm says its not ok people will still do it but will change the way they do it.

if sam and BH said no rl cash transactions are not allowed, but no action can be taken without proof and proof of such transactions is hard to come by. i would much rather the GMs sell the items for the benefit of the server.

I can see your point and its perfectly valid, The issue we have is that real life cash trading has been allowed since the server began and to suddenly change the rules would most likely cause a bigger stir than simply allowing it to continue.

I think the bottom line here is that Sam / BH & LCD all have better things to do than police transactions between players hence they choose not to get involved in this - Even if selling items for real life cash was against the rules how could you police it? as has been said above people find a way around it.

Annoying as it is to see people succeed straight away by buying items I would rather see the server teams time dedicated to improving the server than helping Joe Bloggs who gets scammed for £100 for trying to buy a dragon slayer.

 

[KylerStern]

I think the main thing from all of this is that MAX stats will be obtained by these creditcard wars so the team need to make sure MAX stats are balanced..
It doesnt bloody matter how rare something is, if it obtainable it will be bought, thats why aspeed 8 on a war should never have been obtainable as warned before the crafting of gems was implemented,

100% max hits all the time (luk7) should never have been obtainable, benes bought with gold, gold bought with cash.

If its obtainable they will buy it so server team remember, rarity means nothing, it needs to be balanced because it all ends up on the same chars.

 

[Phawk]

I think the main thing from all of this is that MAX stats will be obtained by these creditcard wars so the team need to make sure MAX stats are balanced..
It doesnt bloody matter how rare something is, if it obtainable it will be bought, thats why aspeed 8 on a war should never have been obtainable as warned before the crafting of gems was implemented,

100% max hits all the time (luk7) should never have been obtainable, benes bought with gold, gold bought with cash.

If its obtainable they will buy it so server team remember, rarity means nothing, it needs to be balanced because it all ends up on the same chars.

This. Through and through. It is the same handful of characters that have cash oozing out of every orrifice, and buy the best of the best items as soon as they are available.

/Mark

 

[ILovePie:D]

This. Through and through. It is the same handful of characters that have cash oozing out of every orrifice, and buy the best of the best items as soon as they are available.

/Mark

I could give you the whole list of Team, stating items dropped from bosses, and who they have been given to.

Can't say the same for your guild?

 

[Phawk]

I could give you the whole list of Team, stating items dropped from bosses, and who they have been given to.

Can't say the same for your guild?

That's funny, we can supply a list of all the drops we have had form bosses too, and who it has been given to.
/Mark

 

[ILovePie:D]

That's funny, we can supply a list of all the drops we have had form bosses too, and who it has been given to.
/Mark

That's great, nothing to hide with the arabs then

 

[CrazyBear...]

That's great, nothing to hide with the arabs then

Didn't you know Jeras got Heaven Armour off a hen? :RpS_lol:

 

[ziiid]

Any news on the speed changes? Warriors are at a point of speed+7/8 and higher dc etc. The idea of having different speed caps seemed plausible to me. Any how someone mentioned slow + being just as good as speed, if you have played it is clearly not the case, slow doesn't increase leveling speed, doesn't work that well on bosses and still won't help with that warrior who 2 hits the sin... Has been tried at +8 slow...I don't think sins need to kill warriors by any means but there does still seem to be an obvious discrepancy. We all know that the +PA and +slow isn't as powerful as + speed and at the same risk and with less DC to begin with whats the point. +8 PA or +8 slow is actually harder to actually get (not including price of gems) as they are not naturally occurring stats...

Baby Hack you had mentioned monitoring this issue, any more recent thoughts?

 

[Babyhack]

Any news on the speed changes? Warriors are at a point of speed+7/8 and higher dc etc. The idea of having different speed caps seemed plausible to me. Any how someone mentioned slow + being just as good as speed, if you have played it is clearly not the case, slow doesn't increase leveling speed, doesn't work that well on bosses and still won't help with that warrior who 2 hits the sin... Has been tried at +8 slow...I don't think sins need to kill warriors by any means but there does still seem to be an obvious discrepancy. We all know that the +PA and +slow isn't as powerful as + speed and at the same risk and with less DC to begin with whats the point. +8 PA or +8 slow is actually harder to actually get (not including price of gems) as they are not naturally occurring stats...

Baby Hack you had mentioned monitoring this issue, any more recent thoughts?

How more recent do you want my thoughts to be, I posted yesterday

BH

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This is something I do agree with and have been looking into it but maybe more like warrior 6 and sin 10

Quoted from yesterday, related to attack speed

BH

 

[ziiid]

How more recent do you want my thoughts to be, I posted yesterday

BH

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Quoted from yesterday, related to attack speed

BH

Haha sorry my bad BH I didn't check the dates on that post and for some reason thought it was from a while back. Cheers!

 

[Yodels]

How more recent do you want my thoughts to be, I posted yesterday

BH

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Quoted from yesterday, related to attack speed

BH

As a warrior I think this is pretty fair. Tough to judge though as I feel there are a lot more kitted out wars than sins.

 

[horton]

This. Through and through. It is the same handful of characters that have cash oozing out of every orrifice, and buy the best of the best items as soon as they are available.

/Mark

Yes they buy items dont they. THEY. same people every server from euro on til now an we all know who the are. Some servers they paid to get things the way they wanted. server closed pretty soon after. Unlikely to happen here thanks team.
But players who started couple weeks ago hve sowg and HA and super item in days. Its obv who they are , and we all know who anyway.
If it was one or two people it wouldnt matter its far more though. This unbalances servers as much as op skills. Why do u need proof on a p server? Oficial with eula and price structure does.
.
Max damage hits. People been sayin luck system here isn't right for ages, Is it even on the list?

 

[Fleshwerk]

Did assassins forget they have an agil buff?, increasing their agil, with some added agil items, a sin with speed8 dc70 can floor a 50+ war in few hits.

Maybe sins should look at added slow+ agil onto their kit, to counter act speed + dc on warriors.

Iv seen high level taos with agil added onto their kit to counter the speed/dc of warriors.

Slow is quite good, and any warrior would RT/dash away from a sin if they were slowed.

Storm gems are valued at 25-35m. thats the price of a lvl 43 sin wep...
there are more 43 sins weps out there than all of the other 43 weps combined. i dont know why sins are complaining, iv seen toriblack wreck thru guild hunts, with a dc17 wep on.

 

[ziiid]

Did assassins forget they have an agil buff?, increasing their agil, with some added agil items, a sin with speed8 dc70 can floor a 50+ war in few hits.

Maybe sins should look at added slow+ agil onto their kit, to counter act speed + dc on warriors.

Iv seen high level taos with agil added onto their kit to counter the speed/dc of warriors.

Slow is quite good, and any warrior would RT/dash away from a sin if they were slowed.

Storm gems are valued at 25-35m. thats the price of a lvl 43 sin wep...
there are more 43 sins weps out there than all of the other 43 weps combined. i dont know why sins are complaining, iv seen toriblack wreck thru guild hunts, with a dc17 wep on.

Sorry you don't understand the issue in the thread, but you pointing out the relative cost of lvl 43 sin weps and speed gems shows the relative power of each....Additionally threads that make suggestions about balance are not always complaining fire and brimstone threads but can be intended for optimization, however some do use drastic examples in order to try and make a point.

 

[Fatosh]

i cant see war killing sin . jeras capped as 8 inoob take him with 3 hits killin him so fast war cant stay in range of sin if played coreectly and sin can ss in 1 sec cooldown and have posion can solo mk in 3 min or less if u wanna see it its theres already

 

[Samuel]

My thoughts on this current topics of conversation:

Buying/Selling for R/L Cash:
This is not something any game/server is able to police, even the big companies like Blizzard with full teams dedicated to trying to catch this fail 90% of the time...

Scenario one:
A player trades an item to another player with no gold exchange (due to them being friends/guildies/player is leaving, whatever).

Scenario two:
A player trades an item to another player with no gold exchange (because they made a transaction outside of the servers boundaries, via cash in hand or paypal or something).

Now bare in mind that we can not rely on a large portion of reports from the community (at least 70% of reports we get are "Venge reports" ie I am going to accuse this person of cheating/griefing/selling because I dislike him or he pk'ed me on a server we played 7 years ago).

How do we catch these people fairly? We can't... Also the people who are selling have worked hard for the items/kit and should have the right to sell them... I have read comments about it being unfair that certain players are able to obtain the highest available items/kit via irl payments... The items/kit have still come through a legitimate path, they haven't been magic'ed out of no where...

Warrior versus Assassin attack speed:
Obtaining + 8 attack speed for a warrior is not easy... You either have to sacrifice DC (bare in mind you can only +3 on any item, so even if you start gemming gale items your total dc will be much lower), however, warriors have access to higher dc weapons which I guess throws the balance off...

I am happy to go with what ever BH thinks is best in this scenario, which it seems limiting the amount of attack speed a warrior is able to use.

Sam

 

[czeldabolg]

Just as a side point World Of Warcraft now offers a pay service for the character to be boosted to 90. This is a major company, they've seen people buy accounts over the years and have now decided to offer the incentive, people sell garrosh boosts [the current last boss] for in-game gold or real life money.

Fact is you can't police account selling, you can't. Maybe mass gold inflation yes, i'd agree there a.k.a the tackling of gold sellers etc which the team has done really well so far. However account selling big whoop, a player's just making money off their hard earned work. There is absolutely sod all wrong with that. It's not really pay to win as a new character isn't being introduced, it's a character that previously existed. And who knows? The new owner may even be worse than the old owner meaning hey! free body drops if you find them.

Again not every problem can be tackled, the main problems were bots [which have been dealt with dramatically, some may still exist here and there but to no-where near the level it was before], cheats [the team battles with every day to solve this and have done well dealing with it thus far] & Other behind the scenes issues.

I think it would be fair and right for them to focus more on content now they've plugged holes in the background so their hard work can begin to flourish again.

/Czeldabolg

 

[d1craig]

Just as a side point World Of Warcraft now offers a pay service for the character to be boosted to 90. This is a major company, they've seen people buy accounts over the years and have now decided to offer the incentive, people sell garrosh boosts [the current last boss] for in-game gold or real life money.


/Czeldabolg

i dont think that is why they have done it. i think the reason they have done it is because level 100 would scare new players off from starting at level 1. and it works the exact same way with mir. for me anyway.

Sam - i am not expecting you to be policing the rl cash problem i am expecting you to frown upon it and not like to the point you almost encourage people to do it and if proof is given you would then follow it up with a reasonable response.

it isnt fair that people can play the game that way. once you get on that computer the only thing that should separate you from the nose lifters should be the hours/skill you can put into the game.

 

[Mazza]

My thoughts on this current topics of conversation:

Buying/Selling for R/L Cash:
This is not something any game/server is able to police, even the big companies like Blizzard with full teams dedicated to trying to catch this fail 90% of the time...


can not rely on a large portion of reports from the community

How do we catch these people fairly? We can't... Also the people who are selling have worked hard for the items/kit and should have the right to sell

Low risk....................... getting char and items from mate
high risk ....................... buying char from random withor without kit
med risk........................... buying char from a well known dealer
.
NO RISK
making char getting it levelled buying kit
Any new chars in guild with better kit and skill than rest means corrupt leaders or irl deals.
Most will keep rares and good items in guild. those who play to make irl cash screw the community and the team and the game. Yes they can sell but not for irl cash
You have a record of who got what from drops
Stop protecting them with no drop events