Your an assassin you should never ever be able to toe toe a warrior even -2/3 ur lvl. Assassins are for sneaky kills. Make a warrior if u wana toe to toe the likes of alfiee
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Surely by that logic of assassins being the "sneaky class" a warrior is meant to be the "tank class" and shouldn't be outputting as much damage as a sin or anywhere close to it in the first place?
Im not saying warrs cant solo some things, but because tdb is quite heavy on MP usage i think theyre struggle a bit without poison. Obvs they'd take lots of hp which means its unlikely they'll have enough mp for the kill. Also omaking would be a bugger as it hits a % attack.
I think you'd been unlucky recently harry and i do feel for you. But also no disrespect but with a bit more pvp practice i think you'd fair a bit better. Sins are lethal if they're used in the 'sneaky' way. As much as it pains me to boost his ego ( :P ) toris gotten pretty good at this as a relevant example - knows just when to SS in as someone's on the defensive/not anticipating it and get that burst dps in at 250 ish a swing. Admittedly he has insane kit but it's a good example of how sins can easily deck warrs, they're just a bit more squishy and require more skill than just a tank n spank approach.
I think you'd been unlucky recently harry and i do feel for you. But also no disrespect but with a bit more pvp practice i think you'd fair a bit better. Sins are lethal if they're used in the 'sneaky' way. As much as it pains me to boost his ego ( :P ) toris gotten pretty good at this as a relevant example - knows just when to SS in as someone's on the defensive/not anticipating it and get that burst dps in at 250 ish a swing. Admittedly he has insane kit but it's a good example of how sins can easily deck warrs, they're just a bit more squishy and require more skill than just a tank n spank approach.
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Obviously I'm not the best assassin, was just saying that face to face, Warriors in the best kit will now always out DPS an assassin, plus they have an additional 400HP in their pool. The damage difference is even higher on monsters and bosses due to TDB cutting AC,
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Okay so I just tested assassin speed vs warrior speed.
Assassin hits a constant 168 strikes per minute.
A warrior with 0 speed does 120 strikes per minute.
A warrior with 8 speed does 198 strikes per minute.
With 8 aspeed that's an increase in 65% attack speed, and also 18% faster attack speed than an assassin. 18% is MASSIVE.
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Okay so I just tested assassin speed vs warrior speed.
Assassin hits a constant 168 strikes per minute.
A warrior with 0 speed does 120 strikes per minute.
A warrior with 8 speed does 198 strikes per minute.
With 8 aspeed that's an increase in 65% attack speed, and also 18% faster attack speed than an assassin. 18% is MASSIVE.
If that's the case, then it does need reviewing, a sin shouldn't be out swung that much.
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It's posts like these i enjoy reading, tested facts with 0 arguments going against them.
Keep it up Harry, some serious issues here.
Best kitted Sin ingame re rolling...
To the guy who mocked me about Sins lacking vs wars in PVP, **** you.
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Interesting stats there... Can the team fix the issues with the graphic? If so will a sin speed 8 match a wars speed 8?
Yes they should match, a sin with speed 8(standard with spell) or a warrior with speed 8(alot of gems. Either way oonce at speed 8 their speeds shud be the same.
Atm a sin has speed 8 but because of the animations of spells it cant hit speed 8 like a warrior can.
Needs fixing so both match. I also think a sin should be able to get speed 16 with the use of gems.
So fix animation and remove speed cap from sins
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Speed 16 would be too fast imo, thats why i suggest cappin wars but the wars all throw tantrums.
Its not like sins can gem 'ignore armor'
Wars can gem the sins best dps boost (aspeed) but sins cant gem the wars "bonus" once both at speed 8.
For a class advertised as highest single target melee dps there is a serious flaw in the class balance, think pve aswell as pvp.
Its not like sins can gem 'ignore armor'
Wars can gem the sins best dps boost (aspeed) but sins cant gem the wars "bonus" once both at speed 8.
For a class advertised as highest single target melee dps there is a serious flaw in the class balance, think pve aswell as pvp.
I see ur point Razarus, maybe 16 is too much. But I think if they want more they shud risk kit so maybe up it too 10.
I think a sin shud always be able to outspeed a warr. Or another wud be cap warriors at 6??
I think a sin shud always be able to outspeed a warr. Or another wud be cap warriors at 6??
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Just spent a good 30 minutes with lilcooldoode testing the difference between warriors attackspeed and assassins. The assassin attackspeed needed upping by about 8%, this involves the doubleslash animation being sped up.
The other point was instant flashdash which generally seemed to go down well but he has to discuss it all with the rest of the team. The argument for this is that flashdash takes up a significant amount of time to cast, so the damage gain due to 20% poison is completely negated by the swings lost during cast time (taking into consideration that many casts don't add the poison anyway).
The other point was instant flashdash which generally seemed to go down well but he has to discuss it all with the rest of the team. The argument for this is that flashdash takes up a significant amount of time to cast, so the damage gain due to 20% poison is completely negated by the swings lost during cast time (taking into consideration that many casts don't add the poison anyway).
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Ya it's called DC.
What is this consensus that sins have to have faster attack speed than wars?
I'm all for the double slash animation being fixed so that the number of swings are the same. I know this was discussed months back actually but guessing it slipped off the radar.
Whilst we're looking at graphics, are there any plans to look at flinch and the way it's so 'sticky'? I think Sam mentioned that one possible cause of this is that the client has to wait for the server to send the next command/animation which causes a slight delay and causing people to get stuck.
Whilst we're looking at graphics, are there any plans to look at flinch and the way it's so 'sticky'? I think Sam mentioned that one possible cause of this is that the client has to wait for the server to send the next command/animation which causes a slight delay and causing people to get stuck.
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Perhaps you misunderstood my point or are choosing to be difficult.
Both classes can gem the same amount of DC, Slow, Acc and Agil.
Only Warrior get use from Storm Gems, allowing them to effectively GEM an assassins most potent dps spell onto their equipment.
Its like giving assassins LightBody then saying capping +agil at 8....
so that warriors would be able to match an assassins agil.
The issue is the Cap, but i understand why there is a cap as otherwise it would be too fast, so in my opinion to keep class diversity the warrior should not be able to match the assassins speed.
its all opinion and people are entitled to theirs, I've given up on trying to enlighten the less fortunate. If people think wars out single target dpsin sins is ok, then good on you. Ill look at you like your some sort of retard but your warrior friends will pat you on the back and play with your balls.