9/11 - proof, America attacking itself.

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Lets not forget the media shapes our ideologies and representations of situations. Now i presume that you found out about the tragedy through the television/newspaper/radio/internets. So after reading what had 'occured' you then based your opinions on the 'shock and awe' factor of what you had seen. this relates to the media therom 'moral panic' where people believe what they read.

I am not one to call anybody ignorant however you are looking at the disaster 2 dimensionally. This is really a scientific v theory argument. There is NO conclusive evidence that al quaida/ nor any other extremist group had ANY part in the events that occured.

Now this led me to watch mentals video, partially out of interest and partially out of the fact im a nosey git who likes to voice his opinions.

As any media student will tell you, when studying the course you have to open your mind to every situation so i decided to watch. I did lable the video as crackpot at first and why would anyone believe this cr@p?.

However after watching 2 hours of video (im a student im allowed to spend 2 hours watching it) with my media class, we all came to the conclusion that judging by irregularities and annomylies, you could not conclusivly suggest anyone outside the us had any part.

This leads you on to the other argument - What proof is there that the us did this to itself?.

Well the answer is plain simple and blunt - Lots.

I respect everyone whos activly taken part in this discussion and has voiced their opinions on such a tender, eggshell subject, however we all have our own opinions and noone can change them.

For the record, im not and america hater i love america we go nearly twice a year and are thinking about buying a place over there, however America attacked itself on 9/11 however sickening it is to say.

Watch the video with an open mind and even the most american american will question their thoughts.
 
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Van, your a fruit, your posting on the basis of what has been told on TV.. you are just a product, your brainwashed, until you watch the videos and see for yourself your forever doomed and i have no respect for people like that.



Videos contain UNDENIABLE evidence to which nobody can dispute, AND FOR A FACT, everyone who has disputed aint watched the videos.. if you can actually watch the two videos and find a good arguement to disprove it, ill pay you for doing that.. but you couldnt do that.. its not possible.

Face facts, tool.
 

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mental hes not a tool for what he believes everyone deserves and opinion however they need to broaden their mind to all eventualities.
 

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Who cares? Whats gona happen if this forum agrees on one side of the story...**** absoulutly nothing.
 

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ENOZEGAR said:
Van, your a fruit, your posting on the basis of what has been told on TV.. you are just a product, your brainwashed, until you watch the videos and see for yourself your forever doomed and i have no respect for people like that.



Videos contain UNDENIABLE evidence to which nobody can dispute, AND FOR A FACT, everyone who has disputed aint watched the videos.. if you can actually watch the two videos and find a good arguement to disprove it, ill pay you for doing that.. but you couldnt do that.. its not possible.

Face facts, tool.

You are a pawn. Useless. Under the power of your government. Brainwashed, abandoned. Give me a break. But youre right, I tried to watch your stupid videos but laughed my arse off at them and was too busy squinting at the poor quality video ''evidence'' to take them seriously.

''Undeniable''? What, a piece of debris falls out of the window. Oh ****s. Debris.. in an explosion? No way man, thats just too weird.

But Wait, I forgot, this is the internet, everything must be true. Im sure this film (with music by DJ Skooly) is completely factual.

Dont believe everything you see, tool.
 

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Lord,

You wake up, you say good bye to your gf, wife or whatever, they go to work, laster that day.. you get a knock... they got shot.. Wouldnt you want to know the truth?

Same principles apply.

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About the debri, explain to me why the 'debri' happens to appear many floors below any effected area.. once again, you say you watched, laughed, but come on, you cannot be that narrow minded, your a lost cause, i pitty you, i do, i really do.
 

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Van how contradictory unless you found out of the attorcity by eye witnessing the events you found out through the media just like the video, its all media text, so that means you think that no form of media is the complete truth and you would be right for thinking that, but then again how the hell can you ignore facts over theory, because thats all the al quaida argument is... theory.
 

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ENOZEGAR said:
Lord,

You wake up, you say good bye to your gf, wife or whatever, they go to work, laster that day.. you get a knock... they got shot.. Wouldnt you want to know the truth?

Same principles apply.

No, I'd immediately make up some bull**** story about the boogey man working in conjunction with iran in order to execute her for financial gain.
 

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No, I'd immediately make up some bull**** story about the boogey man working in conjunction with iran in order to execute her for financial gain.
And what a sad individual you are.

-- PS;

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2001/09/12/binladen-happy.htm

Islamic groups tend to take credit instant for any attack, yet he has denied it, but then a video of him is found, which is clearly not and yet its 'evidence?' ... Whats all that about.
 
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what was an interlectual debate has turned into a childish slanging match, a closing note on this unless you fully watch the video with an open mind then you indeed are controlled by the media and are not mature enough to conduct and argument on such a topic.
 

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Van how contradictory unless you found out of the attorcity by eye witnessing the events you found out through the media just like the video, its all media text, so that means you think that no form of media is the complete truth and you would be right for thinking that, but then again how the hell can you ignore facts over theory, because thats all the al quaida argument is... theory.

I believe the media over some obscure movie on the internet.

About the debri, explain to me why the 'debri' happens to appear many floors below any effected area.. once again, you say you watched, laughed, but come on, you cannot be that narrow minded, your a lost cause, i pitty you, i do, i really do.

Youre right, it must be the Vikings from Mars throwing things overboard to lose weight in order to launch off into space in one of the buildings. Good thing captain america stopped them by hurling a plane into the building.
 

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Listen guys, the argument over this is tempremental, what has happened, and what followed have already passed. Its such a sad thought, that the war may have occured on a baseless accusation.

What MrRob said, was basically what I was saying, but without the waffle lol.
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MrRob said:
what was an interlectual debate has turned into a childish slanging match, a closing note on this unless you fully watch the video with an open mind then you indeed are controlled by the media and are not mature enough to conduct and argument on such a topic.

Im not wasting 2 hours watching some conpiracy hocus pocus crackpot video, its all a load of hooey.
 

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Van m8, if you don't watch it then how can you dismiss it? You said already that one can speculate but you can dispute.

You cannot dispute without considering the evidence.
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Its like a horse with blinkers.......


p.s Van or anybody else dont take offence nothing said is personal its just relational to the context
 
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ENOZEGAR said:
What about:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html


BTW hes wearing certain jewely forbidden by his religion and islam.. so.. someobody made a booboo

I like the way that they link to all kinds of websites, but never actually lay it out for you. Wheres the gold ring? wheres the right handed note writing? Where do the FBI say hes left handed?

You would think that such an amazing theory would have screen captures of all these things.

Guess what guys, the moon landing never happened.
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/moon.html
Its all in that website.

Oh, and our earth is hollow, as i have said
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/holearth.html
Why? Because the website says so.