Bombs in london!

[urbanfox]

You should interpret the Qur'an by reading ALL OF ITS MESSAGES. Sure it says those things I am not denying it, but it also says 'LOVE ALL LIVING CREATURES', 'DO NOT HARM OR TAKE LIFE', 'DO NOT TAKE YOUR OWN LIFE' These magically go out the window? This is fundamentalism....and yes the fundamentalism is narrow minded but it is a cause for them to fight for THEIR justice.


And I know it is horrible....but they want to be noticed so action can be taken no? What is the way to get a government to take action....to hurt its people . This is true...look at Bush and how he reacted. If they blow up government then nothing will get acted upon in the future!

You have to realise that these guys believe so firmly in their cause that they would blow themselves up for it. It is disgusting, I agree, but the suicide bombers have lost ALL family, to America and UK! Nothing else to live for!
I once gave analogy which was deleted, God forbid if someone hurt your family in front of your face....would you not want to kill that person dead? Its not mindless violence, these are people who think, breath liek you do!

Then explain to me why it has so many contridictory statements...

Do not hurt a creature..
Go kill unbelivers...



No, that's the cowards way and that's the wrong way, stop trying to justify terrorist action.

That's also one hell of an assumption that they have lost ALL family, in which case MANY homicide bombers still have much family left.

And again, that's bull****, THERE IS NO RIGHT JUSTIFICATION TO TARGET AND KILL CIVILIANS. NONE.

 

[ne0sbabe]

Then explain to me why it has so many contridictory statements...

Do not hurt a creature..
Go kill unbelivers...



No, that's the cowards way and that's the wrong way, stop trying to justify terrorist action.

That's also one hell of an assumption that they have lost ALL family, in which case MANY homicide bombers still have much family left.

And again, that's bull****, THERE IS NO RIGHT JUSTIFICATION TO TARGET AND KILL CIVILIANS. NONE.

No one is saying its right and no one is defending it . What i dont get is why is anyone trying to cause an argument on this thread. Tbh its just disrespectful to the dead and injured. But for the record ppl of all faiths bomb innocent ppl for there own psychotic reasons. IE Timothy McVeigh. At the end of the day this thread was meant to be about London. Not about religions etc and all thats gonna happen is its gonna get closed which is crap tbh.

 

[FUTURA]

Just because your government doesnt specifically target them, that makes their death alright does it? You haven't read the whole Qur'an and, like the bible, alot of the stories are metaphorical!

I can see that you're never going to understand my point of view, and Im sfeel sorry for you. I can see your point of view and I understand it, but I also have the breadth of mind to acknowledge that there is another side.

 

[ne0sbabe]

Urban these are just a sample of emails sent to tv stations here. There are many thousands more just like this. Blaming muslims or there religion just isnt fair.

Being a Muslim and having a similar unlucky experience in Istanbul the previous year, I strongly condemn these attacks. We should be aware of the fact that terrorist attacks can never be explained by any religion. They only aim to disturb the general public. It is just barbaric and can have no explanation behind.
Canan Canbulat, Istanbul

I am a 15-year-old Muslim girl and was on my way to central London but luckily I'm safe. The attacks were horrific, barbaric, wrong and really disgusting. It is unfair because Muslims as a whole will be blamed if al-Qaeda have done it, but we are as upset and condemn these attacks very strongly.
Razan, London

am a Muslim born and raised in England and watched with horror the scenes from London. My prayers are with the families of those whose loved ones have passed away or are injured. We all need to unite, regardless of colour, race, religious beliefs etc. in order to show these cowards that we will not be beaten.
Ifzal Khan, Brierfield, Lancashire

I have lived and worked as a surgeon in the UK for three years. News of the blasts was like a physical blow for me. My prayers go out to the dead, the injured and their families. As a Muslim and a Pakistani, I strongly condemn this dastardly act irrespective of who was responsible. Nothing can ever justify murder. Not in London or Barcelona nor in Baghdad and Gaza. Let us distance ourselves from purveyors of hate and cut them out like the cancer they are.
Sohail Muzammil, Lahore, Pakistan

 

[Solitude]

Not going to read this thread.

It's simple, all religons kill in the name of their god. Wether it's written in their holy scriptures or not. Look at christians in the middle ages, the spanish inquisition.

The main difference between us (christians) and the terrorists(muslims/islamics) is that they still believe there is need to kill, when there isn't.

--Solitude--

 

[YoYoYo]

Real Muslims do not kill, its against their religion. These terriosts have mental problems and should go into a ****ing secure mental illness facillity cause they are all ****ing messed up in the head. They use religion as a "Front End", and say they are doing it for their god to get other people to do it aswell, but infact all they are doing it for is to terror people and put across a message. When america invaded Iraq, the terroists didnt bomb the amercians because of their religion, they bombed them to try and make them stop. But all terrorism does is brings people together and makes people do more of what they were doing to show the terriosts that they can not affect us.

 

[Wittin]

Then explain to me why it has so many contridictory statements...

Do not hurt a creature..
Go kill unbelivers...

I think you'll find that the christian bible contridicts itself equally or if not more than the muslim's.


[QUOTE=urbanfox]And again, that's bull****, THERE IS NO RIGHT JUSTIFICATION TO TARGET AND KILL CIVILIANS. NONE.[/QUOTE]
If this is the case, then why would america choose to bomb a position that there is even a possibility of innocent cassualties? Your government has brainwashed you just as much as the terrorists have themselfs.

[QUOTE=urbanfox]They are disgusting creatures that should be rooted out and killed.[/QUOTE]
And you say that the muslim teachings are wrong? This was quoted from you! Yet the these scriptures was writen centuries ago, where such actions were justified. Hell, these scriptures may not even be the strict opinions of the muslim people, i'm fairly sure they are not trying to tax me for being christian! Whilst you on the otherhand are telling us these terrrorists should be rooted out and killed! What makes you, or even anyother christian better than a muslim, where even in this day and age you come out with something like that.

I'm not supprised they kill civilians, when obviously you'd do just the same to them.unch:

 

[ne0sbabe]

I think you'll find that the christian bible contridicts itself equally or if not more than the muslim's.


[QUOTE=urbanfox]And again, that's bull****, THERE IS NO RIGHT JUSTIFICATION TO TARGET AND KILL CIVILIANS. NONE.

If this is the case, then why would america choose to bomb a position that there is even a possibility of innocent cassualties? Your government has brainwashed you just as much as the terrorists have themselfs.


Tbh this is 2what worries me. He says these people are fanatics etc( which they are obviously) BUT he seems just as fanatical against them. If all Americans act this way there is going to be even bigger problems in the future thats obvious. ALL Religions have nutters...but you cant condemn all the followers cos of it tho!

 

[urbanfox]

It's simple, all religons kill in the name of their god. Wether it's written in their holy scriptures or not. Look at christians in the middle ages, the spanish inquisition.

The main difference between us (christians) and the terrorists(muslims/islamics) is that they still believe there is need to kill, when there isn't.

--Solitude--

The middle ages were men going AGAINST the scriptures, that's the difference.

I think you'll find that the christian bible contridicts itself equally or if not more than the muslim's.

Well, one contridiction would disprove the whole Bible, so unless you found something that every athiest philospher and scientist has been actively searching for ages with no avail, then it's best to not go and write unfounded posts.

And you say that the muslim teachings are wrong? This was quoted from you! Yet the these scriptures was writen centuries ago, where such actions were justified. Hell, these scriptures may not even be the strict opinions of the muslim people, i'm fairly sure they are not trying to tax me for being christian! Whilst you on the otherhand are telling us these terrrorists should be rooted out and killed! What makes you, or even anyother christian better than a muslim, where even in this day and age you come out with something like that.

Damn right that's quoting me. And yes, what's the difference? The difference is I want to seek and eliminate those who target and kill innocent children, if you can't see the difference. then that's a personal problem.


I would like to respectfully leave this thread, arguing with people who will nto change their minds (and such you will say the same of me) is a waste of time.

 

[ne0sbabe]

Apart from the fact that none of this is really being done for religious reasons(they say its for that reasons to get more support from muslims) we have many different religions all saying different things and contradicting each other. To be honest whats to say which religion is right?

What i am curious about tho..we all know why we got attacked for. And indeed why Madrid Turkey etc got attacked. If this *war of terror* doesnt ever get sorted will these bombs against other countries ever stop?

 

[Wittin]

The middle ages were men going AGAINST the scriptures, that's the difference.



Well, one contridiction would disprove the whole Bible, so unless you found something that every athiest philospher and scientist has been actively searching for ages with no avail, then it's best to not go and write unfounded posts.




Damn right that's quoting me. And yes, what's the difference? The difference is I want to seek and eliminate those who target and kill innocent children, if you can't see the difference. then that's a personal problem.


I would like to respectfully leave this thread, arguing with people who will nto change their minds (and such you will say the same of me) is a waste of time.

Actually, I'm entitled to an opinion, I'm not going to just sit here and watch you undermine a religion that has far more believers than your own. I think your problem is that your just to stubbern to accept someone elses valid opinion.

Ahhh, you say they kill these innocent children, but arn't these children about to be bought up in the same society as yourself, therefore you would expect them to share your views? And therefore want to also eliminate the terrorists, just like yourself. Therefore, double standards come into play again, it is fair for an american to have a mind to kill terrorists (which have not actually directly interfered with their lives), but if the terrorists what to indiscriminately kill them it's completely wrong! And is it not a good thing that these people kill indiscriminantly rather than target are specific weaker group, unlike the americans of course .

 

[urbanfox]

Actually, I'm entitled to an opinion, I'm not going to just sit here and watch you undermine a religion that has far more believers than your own. I think your problem is that your just to stubbern to accept someone elses valid opinion.

I said I wasn't going to come back into this thread, but I must correct you.

I believe in Christianity, which is the largest religion in the world, I'm not sure what you thought I believed, or if your facts about Christianity were wrong.

 

[ne0sbabe]

NO religion is perfect! But none of this is really about religion!

 

[FUTURA]

NO religion is perfect! But none of this is really about religion!

v.good point punk:

 

[urbanfox]

NO religion is perfect!

Then that defeats the purpose in believing in ANY of them.

 

[MiloFoxburr]

Then that defeats the purpose in believing in ANY of them.

People need something to beleive in...

 

[urbanfox]

People need something to beleive in...

Or something to be accountable to.

 

[ne0sbabe]

We have to be accountable to ourself at the end of the day and the law. Not to a book. As a kid i went to church every week and done Religious Education for one of my options. Got 95% in my exam. But as i said the religion isnt perfect and neither are any. In my opinion Religion is the biggest crap ever cos it causes too many arguments and wars. People need to be able to think for themselves not look to what the book tells them to do. When the book was written things were very different anyhow. Our lives is very very different to how it was back then. Yes there are some bad muslims but you cant blame them all for whats happened. Likewise there are bad catholics and protestants but then do you blame the catholic religion for the troubles in Ireland? Nope! Its men that do these things not the book and these ppl can think for themselves what do these acts. Everyone on here...apart from maybe Urban knows the real reason why these ppl do this crap and the religion is just used to as a stupid reason to try and make ppl think what there doing is right.

 

[urbanfox]

AMG! Didn't know I had the option!

 

[FUTURA]

Then that defeats the purpose in believing in ANY of them.

Noo it doesn't, same way you don't KNOW God exists but you still talk, pray, believe....right?