conspiracies

[Vannaroth]

Vannaroth, so you're basically saying that no conspiracies at all actually exist?

So you don't believe in advances in technology or science? That would be just like saying that any advances in technology aren't possible, if this was the case then we wouldn't have things like computers and aircraft. I'm sure at some point things like these were all conspiracies so to speak.

im sorry i cant get my head round this post at all. youre saying that because conspiracies exist they must be true? im also not seeing any link whatsoever between believing in conspiracy theories and believing in technological advancements, especially since one is by definition just a theory and the other is the irrefutable fact that technology is better now than it was years ago.

Im pretty sure the conspiracy was because not of a parallax but because that NASA said that these pictures where taken miles away from that scene and on a diffrent day

They cant have been taken on different days because the astronauts were only on the moons surface for a few hours. they were taken apart from each other but not by miles. if you superimposed the images over each other you would see that the two mountains appear at slightly different angles on each photo, for the reasons described.

 

[DarkXXX]

im sorry i cant get my head round this post at all. youre saying that because conspiracies exist they must be true? im also not seeing any link whatsoever between believing in conspiracy theories and believing in technological advancements, especially since one is by definition just a theory and the other is the irrefutable fact that technology is better now than it was years ago.

I'm talking about conspiracies about things like what is happening in Area 51, and of fringe science.

You basically said that no conspiracy is true, but obviously we wouldn't have most of things we use now if the conspiracies for these were all false.

 

[FUTURA]

It's fair enough Vannaroth, I mean a conspiracy theory is a theory nonetheless. But regardless of whether or not these theories exist there are twisted people in positions of power doing twisted things and there can be no denying that...

 

[MentaL]

I cant talk about conspiracy's on here, too many uneducated people whom think just because they have the ability to post that they know or thing or two about life, news for you, the world is corrupt and you are just an ant.

 

[Wond]

Of course there is, just take a look at the word itself. The word "Conspiracy", is surrounded by lies and shadows and thats how they want it. The reason behind this is so the average everyday person automatically think that some nut bag is making up lies again about the government.

 

[Xanan]

Awesome post Vannaroth, alot of it makes sense.

Im interested in the Freemasons, what can you disprove about them? (I'm open to both sides, just you generally hear more about the conspiricies than the truth.)

/Gand

 

[mapadale]

The twin tower collapse resembled a controlled demolition

actually it didnt. at all. watch any video of a demolition and take note of the sound and the position the building appears to be collapsing from. controlled demolitions require the detonation of thousands of explosives in series, creating several successive bangs audible from miles around. The building will then appear to fall into the ground.

in contrast the WTC 'peeled' down from the top after having the top portion above the crash collapse into it, and no charges can be heard in any recordings. there are explosions, obviously, an airliner just flew into a skyscraper, but nothing like a controlled demolition.

for reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlGmnKvOhlg

now watch any WTC collapse video and tell me if you hear anything similar.

Something to think about considering whether such an operation was even possible:

the largest building every demolished required 4,118 charges and 36,000 feet of detcord to take down. it took 12 men about a month to set this up, and this was obviously an empty building that had been prepped for demolition. that building was 440 feet tall with a 204,000 square meter floor area. The WTC was 1,700 feet tall with an 800,000 square meter floor area.

Still think it could be demolished without anyone noticing something was up?

I agree with just about everything that you have written, apart from this section.

I would sugest you read some of the following with regards to Steel and what makes up Steel.

http://steel.keytometals.com/Articles/Art50.htm

The infrastructure of large scale, buildings like the twin towers. All Steel gurders are made up composite metals, these include Copper, Zinc and Nical. Now as you are aware or at least should be, seeing as most did this at school. Steel will buckle under xtreme heat, steel does not colapse in any form at all.

Due to the copper and other composite metals in steal, when it starts to heat up and gets hotter and hotter the steel will start to bend/buckle.

Most buildings that are demolished, are done so from the concrete blocks that make up the building and its these that the chargers are set into. Chargers are never inplemented into steel, due to the fact that they can and will exploded to a point of throwing shrapnel.

Now there is a charge that can be used to collapse steel in the way that the buildings where destroyed and is widely used by the MoD for infiltration manouvers and no its not used by demolition experts due to its flakeyness.

So in theroy, the heat produced from the planes and the fule. Would not have cuased the building to colapse straight down, but actually topple over.

Oh and another note on this.

Thermite can be used and would require no detination, all it would require is a fuze. So the conspiracy will stay for much longer, as you don't necessarily have to use explosives to take a building down.

 

[Vannaroth]

I agree with just about everything that you have written, apart from this section.

I would sugest you read some of the following with regards to Steel and what makes up Steel.

http://steel.keytometals.com/Articles/Art50.htm

The infrastructure of large scale, buildings like the twin towers. All Steel gurders are made up composite metals, these include Copper, Zinc and Nical. Now as you are aware or at least should be, seeing as most did this at school. Steel will buckle under xtreme heat, steel does not colapse in any form at all.

Due to the copper and other composite metals in steal, when it starts to heat up and gets hotter and hotter the steel will start to bend/buckle.

Most buildings that are demolished, are done so from the concrete blocks that make up the building and its these that the chargers are set into. Chargers are never inplemented into steel, due to the fact that they can and will exploded to a point of throwing shrapnel.

Now there is a charge that can be used to collapse steel in the way that the buildings where destroyed and is widely used by the MoD for infiltration manouvers and no its not used by demolition experts due to its flakeyness.

So in theroy, the heat produced from the planes and the fule. Would not have cuased the building to colapse straight down, but actually topple over.

you are right. the building would have toppled over. if the fire was closer to the bottom of the building. in fact, the structure did indeed 'topple', but obviously only from the source of the damage.

reference image:
http://billstclair.com/Serendipity/wtcm040419/wot/topple.jpg

if you think about it, the only parts of the buildings that would collapse due to fire were parts above the flame, and as you can see from the image they did indeed topple - into the lower section - which then obviously collapsed due to basically having a large chunk of skyscraper crash directly into it instigating the cumulative floor-by-floor 'top down' collapse.

Thermite can be used and would require no detination, all it would require is a fuze. So the conspiracy will stay for much longer, as you don't necessarily have to use explosives to take a building down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpa1K51os4&feature=related

that's 1000lb (half a ton) of thermite failing to cut a car roof in half. cutting through enough of those gigantic steel core columns to cause a collapse with thermite would require an implausible amount of the stuff. other than that, there's no actual evidence for its existence at the WTC in the first place.

Awesome post Vannaroth, alot of it makes sense.

Im interested in the Freemasons, what can you disprove about them? (I'm open to both sides, just you generally hear more about the conspiricies than the truth.)

this is a hard one to truly debunk simply because the theory relies on the idea that everything they do is kept secret. people outside of the masons cant disprove anything because theyre not 'in the know', and those on the inside cant disprove anything because theyd be accused of lying. that said, most of the 'evidence' for freemasonry having some link to a world government is pretty tenuous and mostly relies on the idea that for no apparent reason this ultra secret organisation decided to leave us a treasure trail of clues on dollar bills and road layouts. which is pretty stupid in and of itself. yknow, like apparently if you arbitrarily connect a few Washington DC roads together in MS paint you get.. a malformed star. wooOoOoOOoo *waves arms spookily*. and even if these were masonic symbols, so what? what would it logically prove other than that a few masons (and there were a lot of them back then) had a hand in designing these things? theres quite a stretch between "oh theres a microscopic blur on a dollar bill that looks kinda sorta like an owl" and "top secret world government".

and for such a sinister and secret group they certainly make it very easy to join. and they seem to have this nasty habit of marking all their meeting places by placing massive "FREEMASON LODGE" signs outside.

basically secret societies are like a trump card for conspiracy theorists because you really cant definitively disprove anything about them because they are, by definition, secret. meaning conspiracy theorists can really go wild with in this area and the only real counter is common sense and logic. a top secret organisation that leaves clues to its existence apparently everywhere, that allows almost anyone to get involved, and has been going for centuries yet seemingly has done nothing but extend our freedoms in the long run (like it or not society is freer now than it was hundreds of years ago).

 

[mapadale]

you are right. the building would have toppled over. if the fire was closer to the bottom of the building. in fact, the structure did indeed 'topple', but obviously only from the source of the damage.

reference image:
http://billstclair.com/Serendipity/wtcm040419/wot/topple.jpg

if you think about it, the only parts of the buildings that would collapse due to fire were parts above the flame, and as you can see from the image they did indeed topple - into the lower section - which then obviously collapsed due to basically having a large chunk of skyscraper crash directly into it instigating the cumulative floor-by-floor 'top down' collapse.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpa1K51os4&feature=related

that's 1000lb (half a ton) of thermite failing to cut a car roof in half. cutting through enough of those gigantic steel core columns to cause a collapse with thermite would require an implausible amount of the stuff. other than that, there's no actual evidence for its existence at the WTC in the first place.

Awsome vid, but this one kinda screws that one over slightly and is less used.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S84UMbF0s2k&feature=related

Or this one through an engine.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GyVD8V0016w&feature=related

Or even a safe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lD2sVxY0UU&feature=related

They all in there own way, disprove yours.

 

[Vannaroth]

ah but its not your job to disprove. its your job to prove. unless you can provide clear evidence for the existence of thermite at WTC it is entirely illogical to assume it was used, especially given that its not even clear the technology to demolish a building with thermite even exists.

 

[mapadale]

ah but its not your job to disprove. its your job to prove. unless you can provide clear evidence for the existence of thermite at WTC it is entirely illogical to assume it was used, especially given that its not even clear the technology to demolish a building with thermite even exists.

Nothing is Illogical where the americans are concerned, especially with the WTC incident. They knew it was going to happen and never did anything about it, it begs the question WHY?

 

[IceSlice]

Did i just take a **** in the bathroom...?


discuss.

 

[Geordiehc]

Did i just take a **** in the bathroom...?


discuss.

Sum1 didnt read the post about idiotic posts then

 

[forspinki]

the news is corrupted

 

[HeadHunter]

Did i just take a **** in the bathroom...?


discuss.

unch:

Prick . . .

/Jenix

And the news is corrupt it reports on what will bring in the most attention, even if it is complete bull like Ice.

 

[oO~Unknown~Oo]

americans blew up there own twin towers
osama is INNOCENT!!

long live osama !!

 

[RedDragonX]

americans blew up there own twin towers
osama is INNOCENT!!

long live osama !!

Your gay...

 

[oO~Unknown~Oo]

Your gay...

i am ? since when ?

this is all new to me

 

[Far]

stop the spam now please.

 

[Dark12345]

Vannaroth is right.
I think conspiracies are just bull**** lol.
People say Area 51 have aliens ect?.
Then wtf are NASA doing?
Are you telling me america is funding NASA to find aliens , when they already have them in Area51? haha.
Area51 is a military base , they design and test new technology , proberbly war technology. You'll never know whats in there untill they use it.
I personally believe that America's government just like war , and want to be the most powerful. Hopefully Obama will sort america out and just stop fighting. If Obama cease's the american army from Iraq ect. And then his assisinated , i might then believe that America have a corrupt government , untill then i dont believe nothing , not even that propaganda Zeitgeist ****!