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Converting Archers from DC to MC
- Thread starter Samuel
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I think you are probably right in regards to stock items (I include Power/Violet rings in this category) however I suspect these are not the kind of items people are worried about. The higher level items and good added stat items, in my opinion, will still hold their value relative to the market.
I would also imagine most decent guilds will prioritise Archers after the event in regards to drops in the short term if they are adversely affected so I can’t imagine many running around in shop kit for too long.
Like most have said, I think the idea is good and would help balance the economy out, but a lot needs to be thought about after the initial yes/no.
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It's fairly obvious that the majority of server would like this change, warrs and sins gain cheaper Dc items , Taos unaffected , wizzers have to put up with increased value of mc gear... Maybe wiz can rerole monk after selling your gear for a stupid price...Taos then can cream in also selling to monks... Losers = wiz as per normal ..at first forgotten class then given a lift only to be nerfed now have to fight for your gear in a price war with archers ..what a mess
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sounds very very selfish of you.
Think of the benefits. You can 1 shot most archers and now they can drop you MC items.
Are you an idiot? If it goes a head (after Monk) there will be two classes per prime stat and if it doesn't happen Wizards will be the only MC class. At worst you will be even, at best you will have MC all to yourself.
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Open your eyes, warriors and sins won't get cheaper items, because in reality, no one plays an archer anymore.
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excuse me for being idiotic but was stupidly under the impression that being a wizard and a caster of spells that maybe being the only MC class user was a given ...but no go ahead and **** the wizzers over again np..
There are plenty of archers running around ...shrek bard etc must be creaming themselves over this..they 1 hit all wizards no prob now they can actually wear the items they pked them for lovely jubley .
Official Korean Mir 2 archers have both DC and MC.
How much damage is caused by one against the other is hard to tell at my low level on there.
Some of the lesser skills need MC to work, a bit like the Assassin on Mir 2 needing some SC.
How much damage is caused by one against the other is hard to tell at my low level on there.
Some of the lesser skills need MC to work, a bit like the Assassin on Mir 2 needing some SC.
Yay lets destroy the economy! Also remember that archers do actually benefit from ac and amc due to low hp and wiz items have next to 0. Now ill need to gem a new slow kit based on my and no ones gonna want the dc kit due to flood. Not to mention they're still broken and wizard is op as fk atm. Balance it before you break it
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wont complain about wearing a five string set though will you?
Shhh please. plenty of wiz items have AC and why not gem some AC onto them along with MC.
Come on mystic your not as dumb as most of your posts portray.
Lol the fact is archer was portrayed by Sam on release as a more tanky and armoured archer like the Chinese ones long ago. 5 string even gemmed doesn't do **** when archer still have no defense. The way changes have happened on this server has never been smooth. Wiz goes from useless to most op ingame archers get nerfed to **** cause the 1% was op. Life's easy if you rolled anything but archer but speaking from expierence you made one of the most fun classes ingame completely **** and made of paper.
Raz you've been war afaik since server is opened. Go level an archer to 44 and try not to be disappointed
Honestly doesn't really affect me as I've switched to war and ill always be one of the top pvp sins ingame. Just my pov and how I feel the direction has been moving. I know I'm not the only one tired of archers being dicked.
Raz you've been war afaik since server is opened. Go level an archer to 44 and try not to be disappointed
Honestly doesn't really affect me as I've switched to war and ill always be one of the top pvp sins ingame. Just my pov and how I feel the direction has been moving. I know I'm not the only one tired of archers being dicked.
Lets go back to 3 classes a moment.
Wizard was given the stat MC - to define items to them
Tao was given SC - to define items to them (and to a lesser extent dc)
warrior was given DC - to define items to them.
Now bare in mind the only reasons these stats existed was to bind those items to those class's. Theoretically MC is no different from SC, albeit some minor scaling differences on spells.
Now lets flash forward to a future where we have additional ways to define a class's items than just a type of stat that is bound to one class, and make all magic classes use MC (Magical Damage) with class requirements on certain items.
E.g
Violet ring MC0-5 - requires being a wiz to equip
Titan Ring MC0-5 - requires being a tao to equip
If you had 3 classes Physical damage based, and 3 classes Magical damage based - its more balanced than 2 of each per stat.
Physical dmg
Warrior
Assassin
Archer
Magical dmg
Wizard
Taoist
Monk
Why? because the current items in game don't change, no class is suddenly at a loss because another class is using their stat. If all existing items which was unique to one class was bound to that class there is no change to the game at all.
Wizards would still use violet rings, Taoists would still use titans. The only difference is when new items are added in the future there could be a mixture of class specific items and unbound items (the unbound being more powerful as more classes would be fighting over them)
The changes would be minimal to live too,no big refund to archers no changes to drops required, only Taoist would need converting over to MC which isn't all that difficult to do and then when monk is added later he would also be MC.
This is probably going to fall on deaf ears as people are stuck in this euro mentality and seem to think SC/MC have different magical quality's and are worlds apart but they aren't.
Wizard was given the stat MC - to define items to them
Tao was given SC - to define items to them (and to a lesser extent dc)
warrior was given DC - to define items to them.
Now bare in mind the only reasons these stats existed was to bind those items to those class's. Theoretically MC is no different from SC, albeit some minor scaling differences on spells.
Now lets flash forward to a future where we have additional ways to define a class's items than just a type of stat that is bound to one class, and make all magic classes use MC (Magical Damage) with class requirements on certain items.
E.g
Violet ring MC0-5 - requires being a wiz to equip
Titan Ring MC0-5 - requires being a tao to equip
If you had 3 classes Physical damage based, and 3 classes Magical damage based - its more balanced than 2 of each per stat.
Physical dmg
Warrior
Assassin
Archer
Magical dmg
Wizard
Taoist
Monk
Why? because the current items in game don't change, no class is suddenly at a loss because another class is using their stat. If all existing items which was unique to one class was bound to that class there is no change to the game at all.
Wizards would still use violet rings, Taoists would still use titans. The only difference is when new items are added in the future there could be a mixture of class specific items and unbound items (the unbound being more powerful as more classes would be fighting over them)
The changes would be minimal to live too,no big refund to archers no changes to drops required, only Taoist would need converting over to MC which isn't all that difficult to do and then when monk is added later he would also be MC.
This is probably going to fall on deaf ears as people are stuck in this euro mentality and seem to think SC/MC have different magical quality's and are worlds apart but they aren't.
Would also allow Archers to wear FiveStringSet and actually have a bit of tankyness on them which the class DESPERATELY needs.
100% agree to this conversion if it can be done in a decent way without causing too much fuss.
Wizzies are flat out overpowered at the minute, anyone who says otherwise is a moron. No other class can dish out 450 per hit in a 3x3 radius undodgeable damage, and then tank everything given to them due to shield. But this thread isn't about wizzies :congratulatory:
Actually would balance the economy and force wizzies to have some competition for MC gear, which is needed really.
100% agree to this conversion if it can be done in a decent way without causing too much fuss.
Wizzies are flat out overpowered at the minute, anyone who says otherwise is a moron. No other class can dish out 450 per hit in a 3x3 radius undodgeable damage, and then tank everything given to them due to shield. But this thread isn't about wizzies :congratulatory:
Actually would balance the economy and force wizzies to have some competition for MC gear, which is needed really.
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Hmmm Wizzies r OP???????? HAhaHAhaHAhaHAhaHA.
I have an idea. can u make every 1 to have the same Ping.????????
I have an idea. can u make every 1 to have the same Ping.????????
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You really should stop trying to manipulate this game to your own ends..shameful really...you run around on a warrior im sure you d love wizzes to be even weaker...thanks for calling me a moron in advance shitferbrains (im lvl 49 i dont deal that damage probably 1/2 of it ... again stop using EW2 damage as a reference for all wizzes MORON..isnt about wizzes tho ofc
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I dont understad you why will this change afect you ? Warrs atm share items with Sins and Archers do you see any of them compain that they share items with 2 other classes? Everybody can see a perfect balance for for Warr / Sin share DC Wizz / Archer share MC and Tao / Monk share SC only you complain here and don't agree with this ... -_-
Have not read any of the pot but I voted " I do not play archer, convert to MC"
The way I see it.
Wars / Sins = DC
Wiz / Archer = MC
Taos / Monks= SC
The way I see it.
Wars / Sins = DC
Wiz / Archer = MC
Taos / Monks= SC
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Pointless poll ...majority of players don't use this forum ,so it's a poll of this forum which is crawling with team trolls....so any outcome based on this poll is biased and not proportionate .