I don't even think this was Ice's server from the start when Elysian was announced, I think he joined just to help out on bits but then he got drawn in more.
What is was, that i went on board to help Iceman on legend, ice then announced his retirement due to certain people (Was because kyn didn't have a set of files for him i believe)
Me and Killmaster then asked Kyn to work with us, he said ok, thus Elysian was born, mine and Glenn's server. We then got ice back on-board.. and he took over.
We then left due to iceman bringing in Jonny and Xena, who we felt were just taking over, we kept too'ing and throwing between helping or not. Eventually, i went back, and then later left during the open beta, due to disagreements between how ice created server, and the fact Jonny and Xena, despite their rolls, disagreeing with my proposal for map layouts, telling me i needed to create new maps.. as there was not enough (Asif all 1000 maps in the client were in use..)
During this time, Glenn gave up, and said he didn't want to work on something that was being released when it obviously wasn't ready. Which i then agree'd with and follow.
Later on POB, the "php guy" Who iceman was willingly going to drop, if i found a better person at php, took over helping ice, as ice just didn't know what to do, along with supposed help from Jonny and Xena, who spent all thier time re-colouring armours as "there wasnt enough".
The is no leadership structure on this team... all i can say is, without kyn it would fail, he was the peace maker, and he kept things in line. Even though iceman was the 'top dog'.
End of day.. kyn and lil are only people on that team i would trust, even if they dont trust me now, the others? pfft. Kyn is a excellent coder, and has much mir exp behind him, and alot of sexy ideas, same for lil,the others just dont seem to have it.... all with crazy ideas, that dont work, as you can see.