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Theres a real problem at hand, which is appears in pyraines post, but not noticed in relevance to a certain situation, which is "the need to mature".

Noticed how loads is being said about how the current youth grow up to fast, with 13 year olds pregnant, and kids getting into pubs at 15 and all this other ****. Yet the second those same people are in school, their maturity drops substantially.

Removing trouble makers like Leocrasher said is one way to deal with the problem, but it doesnt solve it. It offsets the problem, for example, you have 2 people in a class, one works their ass off and the other is a clown, and they are seperated.

The one who works hard goes on to own a company, where he employs unskilled and poorly educated workers like the second person. This person will more than likely act like a dickhead on the job and ultimately be a problem to everyone he works with, and he STILL costs our hardworking friend time and money.

Worse still, by taking the clowns and putting them in one class, your effectively creating a troup of monkeys, it solves nothing. The problem jsut becomes condensed, with a pack of idiots in one room, setting each other off, and the eventual outcome is they get worse. Do that for everyone in a school, and you;ve got a handful of pissed off and stressed out teachers, whom wont be able to give you the full benefit in lessons anyway, because they spent the previous lesson trying to control a pack if idiots.

When people are removed from classes out into the corridor, or whatever, that is THE most effective method of dealing with them, it doesnt sort the problem, but at the very least, they cant disturb people, and they cant associate themselves with others, the downside is, it isnt a viable option because the second these people are in sight of each other, they get worse.
 

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But from your latest posts it seems you're arguing for the sake of arguing because you yourself actually believe they should be kept in education and given opportunities, just not with higher achieving students.

Not quite. The difference between what I want and what you seem to have said, is that I under no circumstances want them to be in the same room after the age of 16. It would be nice if they were taken out earlier, but thats not going to happen.

They have had from the ages of 5-16 to change their behaviour to that of an acceptable standard. If they are disruptive at 16, they should be forced elsewhere while the good students get the education they have tried for.

Hence, I don't want them to have exactly the same opportunities. As you have already said, facilities which allow such students into their campuses typically perform less well. That's the result of their choices.

Therefore putting them into work based training or apprenticeships is also a good idea. But forcing them to stay until 18 WITH the other students. No way.

/Leo
 

Pyraine

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Nobody at any point suggested they were to be educated with the higher attaining students at any point.

It's just they need to be forced into education.
 

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Worse still, by taking the clowns and putting them in one class, your effectively creating a troup of monkeys, it solves nothing. The problem jsut becomes condensed, with a pack of idiots in one room, setting each other off, and the eventual outcome is they get worse. Do that for everyone in a school, and you;ve got a handful of pissed off and stressed out teachers, whom wont be able to give you the full benefit in lessons anyway, because they spent the previous lesson trying to control a pack if idiots.

At least with my method they are no longer effecting other students. Although I accept that the consequences you have listed are a virtual certainty. However the governments plan is to force them into work based training too. This will go so way to elevating the 'benefit burden'.

When people are removed from classes out into the corridor, or whatever, that is THE most effective method of dealing with them, it doesnt sort the problem, but at the very least, they cant disturb people, and they cant associate themselves with others, the downside is, it isnt a viable option because the second these people are in sight of each other, they get worse.

And this removal is good, but it still results in the problems you've mentioned. Which is why putting them in a separate facility is better than removing them every single lesson. I still think work based training for these people would be the preferable option, as when they are placed into uncertain and unfamiliar surroundings they are much more likely to behave.

Nobody at any point suggested they were to be educated with the higher attaining students at any point.

It's just they need to be forced into education.

See my first post, 2nd paragraph.

/Leo
 
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