Intentions : Babyhack

[Nizzles]

Hi
Wouldnt mind having an idea as to what you are hoping to do with drop files.
i dont want exact details.
just seems that at the moment we're all a bit in the dark. ur changing stuff, but how do expect these changes to affect the game?

at the moment 30 weapons are dropping from pb. yet we just did a bdd clear and zt kill and didnt even get a bene from any of the bosses. in the time there we could have hunted pb and got violet/titan/powerrings for our guild.

surely there should be a guaranteed reward for killing bosses. they require more effort to get to than just killing normal mobs. and you dont even level as much as you would somewhere like PB.

what boss changes will be made? Mtk ZT DD BL etc all need attention. to kill to them takes alot of time and mp(i know you can just run past mobs but that kind of defeats the point of the floors imo)

have these bosses been changed and did we just get unlucky? or is your attention elsewhere?

getting a bit bored at the moment. and its disappointing checking places to see if drops have been changed. is there a thread somewhere explaining everything you have updated? im not asking for drop files, just wouldnt mind testing any changes, because at the moment the game doesnt seem to be worth my time im afraid. there is literally no excitement and no reason to kill the bosses. its hard getting people to even come kill them because they would just rather hunt in pb and get some levels with a chance of some decent rares.
OK drops worse than the mobs you kill on the way to it...
all the bosses we kill seem to drop shitter than KS

ZT should drop better than pb mobs. MTK used to be a main boss and it drops naff all.
and there just isnt enough feedback. its okay saying youre looking into things and im sure youre doing the best you can. but nothing you say is actually reassuring. youre asking for peoples opinions on class changes. but when it comes to drop files theyre not up for debate.
yeah people wanted more 30 weapons on the server... its good that you acknowledged the lack of them. but they way you implemented them was ridiculous.

and its things like making 30 weapons drop off pb mobs (about 20 in 1 day i think it was) but making no changes to boss drops. if you put a 6 to 1 chance of each 30 weapon to drop from omaking instead then you would have flooded the server much less and people would have had to kill a boss to get the items. which would have given opportunity to fight for the items rather than just having blind luck and getting them off a random mob.

losing faith.

/Nizzles

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looking at TM
smaug SSW knight brace and warmage staff on first page. (probly made plenty exp aswell as an educated guess from pb..)

full group of people for a few hours. went and killed a load of bosses... 1 bene. 30% of lv 36 done ... absolute waste of time. boss drops need looking at, not mob drops.

and as stressed by many. hp of mobs in ZT and BDD needs reducing. not just for TSers. but again.. a 10 man group clearing a path to DD (not every single mob but the majority - had to rt the few rooms before DD as low MP - took a fair amount of time) cost alot of cash to do. DD dropped not even a benediction oil.

just an example

 

[Guccci]

Everyone keeps saying the drops in PB were needed etc. But I disagreed from the start, the items there drop far to easily.. The problem the server now faces, is now that pb drops 30+ weps regularly. The boss drop files are going to need an absolute bare minimum of lvl 36+ items, as anything lower has now been made shop items.

 

[Nizzles]

if he had made all the bosses drop 30 weapons on a really high chance there still wouldnt be as many in game
and it would have still kept the point of killing bosses. at the moment its pointless. so hes done it backwards. which is retarded. and im hearing rumours that he has now lowered the drop rates of 30 weapons because they were dropping too often.

i got 2 30 bows within 10 mins of each other... if he had put them on a 1/1 chance from omaking at least that would have made the drops 3 hours apart and would have given a point to killing omaking and caused a few fights in the kr hopefully. you cant even fight for the weapons because you dont know what theyre gonna drop from.. its just blindly killing mobs. its boring!

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just saw another thread with a very similar discussion to this. would stop the same questions being asked if there was a sticky with information about what is being updated/worked on.

still a bit annoying and i feel that these 30 weapon drops have been added totally backwards and the boss should be dropping them and not the normal mobs. but whatever.
im almost over it.

 

[Babyhack]

I understand where you are coming from and how much of a pain it is to kill bosses and not get a drop.

I have a lot of the main boss drops completed, I want to drop them onto the server in one go.

The reason for the PB drops was to get refine items in game, remember these are just level 30 items and a kind of base for the server, as an example there are level 70 weapons in the database.

It's funny also that weapons are dropping faster then skills when they are both the same rate in the drops, some of the books have a better chance to drop then most of the weapons.

I also agree that bosses should be worth hunting and that some of them should at least give 1 good item and this is the way I have worked the drops.

Most bosses will drop better items then the PB monsters, there are 1000's of better then level 30 items in the database.

The HP of ZT and BDD monster has already been adjusted and will be in game when the server is rebooted.

I know I am not working as fast on stuff as some people would like (I would like to have had more done at this stage) and this is prob not something people want to hear but trust me, the server is still young and there is a lot of stuff on the way.

Drops, refining and shops are the three main things that are being worked on at the moment.

BH

 

[alison87]

Ur missing the point that ppl hunt bosses for a slim chance of an uber rare. These items are never gonna be in mob files. Bosses shouldnt drop a decent item every drop or it would get silly. If I wanted to hunt pb for 4 hrs and get a few low class drops worth a few 100k thats fine and y shouldnt I..ive put the time and energy in... but im never gonna get a heaven arm for example. Bossing is just a rng gamble like it should be.

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Bh while ur around. ..can u answer if refining will include a box to place the weapon in as im a sin and want to kno if I can refine d swords for example.

 

[Xx69xX]

Ur missing the point that ppl hunt bosses for a slim chance of an uber rare. These items are never gonna be in mob files. Bosses shouldnt drop a decent item every drop or it would get silly. If I wanted to hunt pb for 4 hrs and get a few low class drops worth a few 100k thats fine and y shouldnt I..ive put the time and energy in... but im never gonna get a heaven arm for example. Bossing is just a rng gamble like it should be.

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Bh while ur around. ..can u answer if refining will include a box to place the weapon in as im a sin and want to kno if I can refine d swords for example.

i dont get what ur saying... if you check the "old 1.7 drop files" that were released there is a slim chance of getting PROPER rares.. keeps me hunting. and PB is great... Crap items really and takes ages to get something solo... so imo its fine.

@BabyHack

What books are you talking about from PB? because other than 31-38 books nothing seems to be dropping.. weve (my guild) cleard PB litreally from town to kr like 15/20 times thats like a hellll of alot of mobs and wev had poohy books but nothing special.. but had a good 15 weps

 

[Babyhack]

Bh while ur around. ..can u answer if refining will include a box to place the weapon in as im a sin and want to kno if I can refine d swords for example.

Sam is working on the refining system at the moment, so I will ask him and report back.

BH

 

[Follower]

To be fair, The drops in PB are all low-mid tier anyway, all items that should have been common by this stage of the server anyway. It was depressing running around in a bloody set of double blades or fate sword for 4months.

BDD mobs have been confirmed that they are not dropping yet due to no changes having been made. "I have big plans for BDD" to quote BH from another thread.

Hopefully this will include a buff to some bosses in terms of strength/speed and HP and a neg to the normal mobs to allow for AOE class to clear through and make it a group based cave which is how it should be. This would then eliminate the 2man DD kills which are happening and the solo of the incarnate subs...

Killed a few Oma Kings recently though and had petty drops, looking forward to the large boss drop files being implemented. Should spice things up a little.

 

[Guccci]

To be fair, The drops in PB are all low-mid tier anyway, all items that should have been common by this stage of the server anyway. It was depressing running around in a bloody set of double blades or fate sword for 4months.

BDD mobs have been confirmed that they are not dropping yet due to no changes having been made. "I have big plans for BDD" to quote BH from another thread.

Hopefully this will include a buff to some bosses in terms of strength/speed and HP and a neg to the normal mobs to allow for AOE class to clear through and make it a group based cave which is how it should be. This would then eliminate the 2man DD kills which are happening and the solo of the incarnate subs...

Killed a few Oma Kings recently though and had petty drops, looking forward to the large boss drop files being implemented. Should spice things up a little.

Been 2 man'ing DD since I was level 36/37 wearing a FBS lol.

 

[Follower]

Been 2 man'ing DD since I was level 36/37 wearing a FBS lol.

Lol.
It's just my opinion that such a boss labelled as "high-tier" shouldn't allow a 2man kill group.

I'm not complaining about it, i'll keep killing it in small groups if the plan is to keep it at the same power, just feel as though at this stage in the game it should certainly need at least a 4 person group minimum to kill it.

 

[OoOoOo24]

Ur missing the point that ppl hunt bosses for a slim chance of an uber rare. These items are never gonna be in mob files. Bosses shouldnt drop a decent item every drop or it would get silly. If I wanted to hunt pb for 4 hrs and get a few low class drops worth a few 100k thats fine and y shouldnt I..ive put the time and energy in... but im never gonna get a heaven arm for example. Bossing is just a rng gamble like it should be.

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Bh while ur around. ..can u answer if refining will include a box to place the weapon in as im a sin and want to kno if I can refine d swords for example.

I dont think it should be a box. Refining should be taken from the hand like it always was because refining is essentially to upgrade your own weapon. Gemming is the whole idea of adding to items and to make money off. Refining should be generally for your own weapon. Assassins refining warrior weapons? whut?

 

[alison87]

I dont think it should be a box. Refining should be taken from the hand like it always was because refining is essentially to upgrade your own weapon. Gemming is the whole idea of adding to items and to make money off. Refining should be generally for your own
weapon. Assassins refining warrior weapons? whut?

so its ok for warrs wiz an taos to refine those 3 weps(hand weight permitting) but archers can only refine bows and sins-blades. And I disagree, refining has been a money maker since the dawn of time lol its not just about "your own weapon".

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I would have thought for a brand new refine system that Sam has worked on for months he would want ppl to experiment and av fun wiv it , rather than restrict the usage.

 

[RandomGKL]

Out of interest which books are PB mobs now dropping?

 

[Foamy]

30-38 books are what I've seen so far random

 

[ILovePie:D]

Lol.
It's just my opinion that such a boss labelled as "high-tier" shouldn't allow a 2man kill group.

I'm not complaining about it, i'll keep killing it in small groups if the plan is to keep it at the same power, just feel as though at this stage in the game it should certainly need at least a 4 person group minimum to kill it.

Same with orcs, this should have a serious buff. You can kill champs & colossus with 2 people and is one of the best droppers

 

[Guccci]

Same with orcs, this should have a serious buff. You can kill champs & colossus with 2 people and is one of the best droppers

You fail to mention the hours it takes to find collosus, killing countless mobs.. if its not in the right place you will spend 3-500k in pots just searching for it. Yes it can be killed with 3 people, but its a guild effort to get it to that point in the first place.

And then after all that, it drops ****... I havnt seen it drop 1 item worth more than a million in over 3 weeks now.

 

[ILovePie:D]

You fail to mention the hours it takes to find collosus, killing countless mobs.. if its not in the right place you will spend 3-500k in pots just searching for it. Yes it can be killed with 3 people, but its a guild effort to get it to that point in the first place.

And then after all that, it drops ****... I havnt seen it drop 1 item worth more than a million in over 3 weeks now.

It does not take hours to find, you can run to 5th without killing any mobs and luring off doors. Like you said "if it's not in the right place" you've gotta clear some mobs to get to it, big deal. Why shouldn't the boss get a big boost? If something of that high level can be killed such small group then it's needed. Let not forget it got nerfed early on in the game as it was too hard for the levels people were.

The drops are far from ****. You're forgetting it drops 1.5mill of benes each time too, plus an item.

 

[Raider]

I also agree that bosses should be worth hunting and that some of them should at least give 1 good item and this is the way I have worked the drops.

One good item every kill? Are you insane? Give it a week and the server will be facing the exact same problem it is now, nothing is worth anything and you don't have to put effort into your kit.

/Xele

 

[Babyhack]

One good item every kill? Are you insane? Give it a week and the server will be facing the exact same problem it is now, nothing is worth anything and you don't have to put effort into your kit.

/Xele

I never said it was going to be a kit item

BH

 

[terriblen]

I can see you asking about intentions not drop rates. But I think that team should not disclose any information at all, because it means they cannot change their minds as they go, because players shouldnt know much anyway. Plus Sam is away so it might all change when the whole team get together when they are all back.

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25-05-2014, 04:46 PM
Turrican

locked, drop info is not disclosed ever.
http://www.lomcn.org/forum/showthread.php?84977-Can-I-ask-drop-rate-at-JinchonTemple if you want to check.