Is it true.
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First off, I cant be arsed to read most of what your saying so ill destroy your credibility using just this one statement by you. An easy example would have been plants, which use carbon dioxide and no oxygen. Simple really.
Assuming that light is the fastest possible thing in existance (and dont give me **** about there not being the possibility of something else because you have already whinged that people should be more open minded) Then you would realise that the minimum size of the universe would be 15billion lightyears. The simple reasoning being that the universe is based on everything that can exist, and the light created as the universe began would be 15billion lightyeaars from the centre of the universe.
You fail again.
On the note of something faster than light existing, it could theortically be possible that some insanely fast energysource, or the explosion from thr big bang managed to propel matter and god knows how many times the speed off light, but we would never know as this stuff will be at the edge of the universe.
On your **** about god and everything else i've only got one simple statement to make.
Conditions for life on this planet are near perfect, this is why life exists. There are only 2 ways of looking at this:
1. Life exists because a divine force manipulated the planet and gave life to it. At which point you ask, why did they choose this planet, in ths solar system in the insane vastness of what they have created. The chance of them picking this one planet out of hundreds of thousands of trillions is probably the same chance of life itself occuring naturally through luck.
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2. The reason life exists here is because of the 1/1000000000000000000 to ****ing whatever chance that the conditions here are perfect.
Now **** off.
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lets start:
a) the fact that my language mother is not English does not mean anything to this conversation, if anyone think its too bad for him, he can **** off from here.
b) peart -
1) if this was the point, u might have been right, however since this was not the point u was not right. compare to 10^1000 (and as i sayed, i still doubt its possible at any chance at all, however if its the case) 10^9 or 10^3 are nothing.
2) u just cant stand it that u was wrong now cant u? lol
3) as i said, if its so important to you, i am not the only 1 thinking that way, but as u said, everyone can have thier own believes.
c) kud125 -
1) true, however we can try.
2) then i am happy for you
3) see "a"
4) and this has nothing to do with the case
5) i don't think i need to respond to that
d) dataforce -
1) the first time that life was created, it was completely random.
2) if u don't believe in god, its ur choice, however this is a theory, just like god, if u want to prove that i am wrong, show it in points, not "thats not logical"
3) well, better to be called moron, and to have someone to discuss over those subjects, that not to be called moron and not to discuss. (i usually don't have many places i can discuss on those theories, and i like that place for that, however i believe that if we discuss over science, u should have the least of respect to everyone on this thread not to insult him)
4) as i said already, compare to a way bigger numbers its nothing.
5) give me another word and i will use it.
e) stonehelm see "a"
f) usenet - if u have nothing to say, please do not spam this conversation, ty
g) kud125 - same for you
h) peart -same for you
i) atimicide -
1)read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_biochemistry and even if 1 of my points was not right, u cant say the same for all my points... (not that its the case)
2) even though it was proven for now and its not a theory, it can be considered i suppose.
3)"the simple reasoning being that the universe is based on everything that can exist, and the light created as the universe began would be 15billion light years from the center of the universe." i already understood it alone from one of the articles someone here brought
4) but god had to choose some planet if its the point right?, if god would have chosen another planet, u would have life there.
5) that chance is on earth ^^
6) if u don't wanna argue, u don't have to, move to another chat.
j) when i said another interfere, i did not mean just god. it could be some sort of radiation that causes molecule to go together, or anything like that.
k) if u think i am moron, don't argue with me, go find another thread to spam.
a) the fact that my language mother is not English does not mean anything to this conversation, if anyone think its too bad for him, he can **** off from here.
b) peart -
1) if this was the point, u might have been right, however since this was not the point u was not right. compare to 10^1000 (and as i sayed, i still doubt its possible at any chance at all, however if its the case) 10^9 or 10^3 are nothing.
2) u just cant stand it that u was wrong now cant u? lol
3) as i said, if its so important to you, i am not the only 1 thinking that way, but as u said, everyone can have thier own believes.
c) kud125 -
1) true, however we can try.
2) then i am happy for you
3) see "a"
4) and this has nothing to do with the case
5) i don't think i need to respond to that
d) dataforce -
1) the first time that life was created, it was completely random.
2) if u don't believe in god, its ur choice, however this is a theory, just like god, if u want to prove that i am wrong, show it in points, not "thats not logical"
3) well, better to be called moron, and to have someone to discuss over those subjects, that not to be called moron and not to discuss. (i usually don't have many places i can discuss on those theories, and i like that place for that, however i believe that if we discuss over science, u should have the least of respect to everyone on this thread not to insult him)
4) as i said already, compare to a way bigger numbers its nothing.
5) give me another word and i will use it.
e) stonehelm see "a"
f) usenet - if u have nothing to say, please do not spam this conversation, ty
g) kud125 - same for you
h) peart -same for you
i) atimicide -
1)read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_biochemistry and even if 1 of my points was not right, u cant say the same for all my points... (not that its the case)
2) even though it was proven for now and its not a theory, it can be considered i suppose.
3)"the simple reasoning being that the universe is based on everything that can exist, and the light created as the universe began would be 15billion light years from the center of the universe." i already understood it alone from one of the articles someone here brought
4) but god had to choose some planet if its the point right?, if god would have chosen another planet, u would have life there.
5) that chance is on earth ^^
6) if u don't wanna argue, u don't have to, move to another chat.
j) when i said another interfere, i did not mean just god. it could be some sort of radiation that causes molecule to go together, or anything like that.
k) if u think i am moron, don't argue with me, go find another thread to spam.
Didnt read your post because its not worth the few minutes of my life it would take. But NEVER use wikipedia to prove a point. Its written by Joe Bloggs so it can be complete bollocks.
What in God's name are you blathering about you imbecile?
1) You thought the universe was half the size of this galaxy alone. You were very, very wrong. You've gone off track so completely that I don't know what to say to you anymore.
No, I mean it, what are you talking about?
I said that there are potentially infinite galaxies, therefore potentially infinite chance of life occuring, then you go batshit insane and start bringing in a load of random numbers?
2) Wrong about what!? You said "i used push cos ur dumb lol". Then I said "you used 'push' before I even entered the thread". What the fucking hell is your point?
3) Did I at any moment say you were? I don't think so, loser.
Seriously, you've blown my mind. I don't know what the fuck you're on about, but you're failing horribly at it.
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stone - fine then.
peart -
1) molecule at this size cannot be created randomly, at any amount of time, without outsider interference, since ur not even smart enough to understand what i already said, i highly doubt u ever will understand the reasons i think like that.
2) just read the whole conversation again. (or leave)
3) the fact that u have got no idea what i am talking about, just shows that ur not smart enough to talk here, i would thanks u personally if u let the other ppls, who gave reasonable reasons, to continue argue with me, while u leave this conversation, ty
peart -
1) molecule at this size cannot be created randomly, at any amount of time, without outsider interference, since ur not even smart enough to understand what i already said, i highly doubt u ever will understand the reasons i think like that.
2) just read the whole conversation again. (or leave)
3) the fact that u have got no idea what i am talking about, just shows that ur not smart enough to talk here, i would thanks u personally if u let the other ppls, who gave reasonable reasons, to continue argue with me, while u leave this conversation, ty
1) Read this.
2) Oh piss off. We're all aware of your staggering stupidity, I don't need to be reminded of it.
3) Or maybe you've missed one too many English lessons and I literally can't understand what you're saying. I don't think there's one person in this thread who doesn't have difficulty understanding you. It's nothing personal, it's just that you can't write. I don't care if English is your second language, the fact is most of what you write is unintelligable nonsense.
2) Oh piss off. We're all aware of your staggering stupidity, I don't need to be reminded of it.
3) Or maybe you've missed one too many English lessons and I literally can't understand what you're saying. I don't think there's one person in this thread who doesn't have difficulty understanding you. It's nothing personal, it's just that you can't write. I don't care if English is your second language, the fact is most of what you write is unintelligable nonsense.
Then how are we here
and please dont say "god" cause if thats the cause where did "god" come from
BH
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babyhack, my point was that the evolution theory is not right as it is, the argue is not about how we are here, as no one know it.
peart - there is huge difference between some molecule to life, someone that learned chemistry at high enough level could understand it.
about the English, as i said, if u cant handle it, just leave.
and btw, in the experiment it was said that they added radioactive radiation, i believe that there was more then that when life was created, and thats my point.
peart - there is huge difference between some molecule to life, someone that learned chemistry at high enough level could understand it.
about the English, as i said, if u cant handle it, just leave.
and btw, in the experiment it was said that they added radioactive radiation, i believe that there was more then that when life was created, and thats my point.
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if we go back to the main topic of this thread, life forming on another planet be it earth like or not
your quote above says that it cannot happen at any time without outside interference
Now if we are talking about a new planet with no life what may i ask would this outside interference be
The same applies to this planet if we go back in time to before there was any life again where did this outside interference come from
BH
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that would be some sort of radiation, or some sort of unknown power that we are not aware of, or some sort of particle (i hope its the right word) that did something.
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and this radiation 'power' couldnt have happened anywhere else? having life on another planet is a dead surt. with the universe being infinitely large, its 100% likely. we're not created by god, we are the evolution from simple organisms.
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farphit, what i said that its not possible to say that this theory is completely true until we find that factor that made life possible, note i did not said life cannot be exist on another planet.
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Im not "spamming" im merely constructing an arguement against you. The simple fact is your an average intelligence person who has spent an evening reading wikipedia and think you know everything.
The simple fact is, life occured on this planet, and the chances of it occuring here, and the chance of some divine being chosing this planet are practically the same.
If the found a planet identical to earth, you would have to concede that life is far more likely to happen on there, than on some other random planet like mars. Organisms can 100% develop and survive using the resources we do, hence our existence. Therefore it stands to obvious reason, that somewhere else with the same resources as earth, has a far better chance than of developing life than a planet than doesn't (based on our current understanding)
For all we know there could be hundreds of planets supporting life in the universe, and there probably are given the size of it. Its also possible every single being on those planets survive one something entirely different to what we do, and that we are entirely unique. But thats specultion.
On a final note, if you do beleive in a god, gods or divine being, then im afraid you shouldn't be taking part in this conversation, as the concept of a god and "creationism" goes against a lot of what we have learned from science. If you beleive god created the universe, then he has created it from his own design, and the result of that would be the calculations used to predict the age and size of the universe would be incorrect.
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in fact, i did not read that any article be4 i joined this conversation, my knowledge come from many other places, mainly in studying advanced chemistry and computers and to be good at it, also to have quite a knowledge from learning astrophysics 3 years ago.
now, if don't know if u knew it, but in fact u took what is written in the bible as it is, while its quite known to ppls who researched it, that about 2k years ago it was already written that the world existed more then 5k years, the 7 days doesn't mean 7 days of 24 hours, as there was no real hours back then.
if anyone here learn computers, and chemistry, he can easily see that the most simple life form is not built just from mistakes, its build in a way that cannot be created just from random (or whatever word dataforce want me to use) passel of amino acids, its much more then this. seems like i cant show most of you what i mean, mainly because u didn't learn this subject.
it there is a god somewhere, there would be no difference between here and any other star, u would be alive here instead of there, no difference at all.
now, if don't know if u knew it, but in fact u took what is written in the bible as it is, while its quite known to ppls who researched it, that about 2k years ago it was already written that the world existed more then 5k years, the 7 days doesn't mean 7 days of 24 hours, as there was no real hours back then.
if anyone here learn computers, and chemistry, he can easily see that the most simple life form is not built just from mistakes, its build in a way that cannot be created just from random (or whatever word dataforce want me to use) passel of amino acids, its much more then this. seems like i cant show most of you what i mean, mainly because u didn't learn this subject.
it there is a god somewhere, there would be no difference between here and any other star, u would be alive here instead of there, no difference at all.
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Life is created from a series of just 6 molecules 
What about the obvious evolution of organisms due to deletion/substitution/addition during DNA replication which is shown in deseases such as cystic fibrosis. The ability to create entirely differrent organisms for medical uses. DNA codes for everything within an organism during transcription and translation anything could happen. If just 1 base on the mRNA is altered it will be complimentary to an entirely differrent tRNA molecule producing a differrent amino acid. The primary structure of the protein will then be differrent due to a differrent series of amino acids. The secondary structure, tertiary structure and even quaternary structure will also be differrent and you will have an entirely differrent protein.
What about the endosymbiotic theory and that it has been proven as mitochondrial DNA in eukaryotic cells is identical to that of bacterial prokaryotic cells.
You also need to take into account that things like this ARE random but are deffinately not impossible. Some bacteria can multiply hundreds maybe of thousands of times an hour so room for a DNA mutation to occur especially during mitosis is definately possible, and this is ofcourse what were the first organisms on earth. As organisms get bigger the chance to reproduce occurs meaning even more genetic variation. Only the thoughest species survive and reproduce creating an organism that can survive in the conditions provided.
Just think of plants.. They can produce sexually & asexually. When the soil around them is rich in nutrients they can produce asexually produces lots of offpsring taking advantage of the nutrients. If the conditions change and variation in the plant needs to occur they produce sexually for variation.
Molecules DO occur randomly and if YOU did chemistry like you keep going on about you would know this. UV light also occurs for alot of reactions halogens when in the right conditions cause free radicals in sunlight which is a major problem with holes in the ozone layour as holgens in the atmosphere are causing free radicals and massive reactions are occuring.
The term random annoys me because the probability of this all happening really isnt that big.
Anyway im bored now myth.. go back to school plix ><
What about the obvious evolution of organisms due to deletion/substitution/addition during DNA replication which is shown in deseases such as cystic fibrosis. The ability to create entirely differrent organisms for medical uses. DNA codes for everything within an organism during transcription and translation anything could happen. If just 1 base on the mRNA is altered it will be complimentary to an entirely differrent tRNA molecule producing a differrent amino acid. The primary structure of the protein will then be differrent due to a differrent series of amino acids. The secondary structure, tertiary structure and even quaternary structure will also be differrent and you will have an entirely differrent protein.
What about the endosymbiotic theory and that it has been proven as mitochondrial DNA in eukaryotic cells is identical to that of bacterial prokaryotic cells.
You also need to take into account that things like this ARE random but are deffinately not impossible. Some bacteria can multiply hundreds maybe of thousands of times an hour so room for a DNA mutation to occur especially during mitosis is definately possible, and this is ofcourse what were the first organisms on earth. As organisms get bigger the chance to reproduce occurs meaning even more genetic variation. Only the thoughest species survive and reproduce creating an organism that can survive in the conditions provided.
Just think of plants.. They can produce sexually & asexually. When the soil around them is rich in nutrients they can produce asexually produces lots of offpsring taking advantage of the nutrients. If the conditions change and variation in the plant needs to occur they produce sexually for variation.
Molecules DO occur randomly and if YOU did chemistry like you keep going on about you would know this. UV light also occurs for alot of reactions halogens when in the right conditions cause free radicals in sunlight which is a major problem with holes in the ozone layour as holgens in the atmosphere are causing free radicals and massive reactions are occuring.
The term random annoys me because the probability of this all happening really isnt that big.
Anyway im bored now
myth.. go back to school plix ><
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Myth please use at least some CAPITAL letters, And jeez reading what you have to say just confuses me because its like k n deh 7kz go pew pew and leik i gotz de akz and no lifesz can be strted m9.
Kthanks
Kthanks
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tass - u have got no idea how even the most simple creature is way way way more complicated then anything human kind ever done
txgraphicz - well i can try, but i highly doubt it will be effective ^^
txgraphicz - well i can try, but i highly doubt it will be effective ^^