is this acceptable?

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Turrican

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the systems mentioned would only lessen the effects of pay 2 win, as Tyraes has pointed out, players will pay real life cash to get a head on any game, chronicles is no difference.

Players will sell items/characters for real life cash no matter what.

Player will buy items/characters for real life cash no matter what.
 

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I would be willing to part with some rl money if it went to the developers, they are the one's putting in all this hard work for an advanced version of Mir to play. Plus the fact I don't trust anyone apart from Skyline/Wond regarding real money transactions >.>
 

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But by selling items for GG in the TM people who can't/don't want to donate can gain GG from in-game items but this isn't the issue or a solution for the problem. The problem is gamer's of today willing to spend lot's of £££ to become better.

be better if they learned to play. Trying to cover up inadequacy with money only fools themselves. Everyone else laugh at them
 

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If anything happens now it will be to little to late.

I know it's not very easy to police but telling people you are not going to try was the worse mistake this server made. From the start most knew this was going to happen and when brought up the answers from the server where awful and not helpful to this problem at all.

Known irl traders should be banned. End of. It's an unfair advantage. But it can't be policed now.
 
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If anything happens now it will be to little to late.

I know it's not very easy to police but telling people you are not going to try was the worse mistake this server made. From the start most knew this was going to happen and when brought up the answers from the server where awful and not helpful to this problem at all.

Known irl traders should be banned. End of. It's an unfair advantage. But it can't be policed now.

How do you police it? How to you prove someone's sold/bought and not given?
 

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Everyone knows they can't police it now. If I was ever concerned I wouldn't be on This server because they have come out and told us so. They have even said "why shouldn't you be allowed to spend your hard earned irl money on something you enjoy ingame?". Does that really help the situation? If that how they see it they should add these things to the GameShop not tell everyone "it's ok just do it".
 

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You know my answer. It is I dont know lol.

The problem is they almost promote it. Whenever a thread would come up they usually tell us its ok.
 

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If gold could not be traded, dropped or emailed then perhaps the only method would be purchases through the TM.

Then investigate any sales that do not meet market trade value and investigate where the item purchased ends up(if back to the seller then dodgy)
This would reduce the amount of large transactions.
Recently one player bought 150mil. Cant imagine either party willingly losing 6% of that.

Problem with that is that it would require a time investment that the team do not have. It would also result in banning, again the server cannot afford to lose players over something so trivial.
If real buyers and sellers got banned now the server count would be 50 at the very best.

Im not a big fan, i do understand that some people who cant play often would want a boost, people that play 24/7 and still spend r/l cash are the ones that need help.

All in all r/l sales will stay.
 

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the systems mentioned would only lessen the effects of pay 2 win, as Tyraes has pointed out, players will pay real life cash to get a head on any game, chronicles is no difference. .

True but in a mainstream game where you have hundreds or even thousands of players the crippled cash crutch users are a drop in the ocean. Here it the proportion of them is bigger and seems they are in a clump rather than spread across the community.

The community is so small identifying them isnt too tricky. Its the same ones with the same names buying andselling on every mir p server.

People say they keep playing because they love the game.
Thats bull. They play because its easy to look good if you throw money about and money can cover up your uselessness until you meet someone who has learned to play.
Most of the big names arent even here. Few of this server would last long against some of the best from the past - most of them have grown up and gone away from keyboard
 

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True but in a mainstream game where you have hundreds or even thousands of players the crippled cash crutch users are a drop in the ocean. Here it the proportion of them is bigger and seems they are in a clump rather than spread across the community.
Yes, but what can you do about that? its not as if the server is going to gain a few hundred thousand players overnight. Even with a few hundred thousand players it doesn't make the advantage the player has against other players any different, it just makes it less visible to the players but it still exists.

The community is so small identifying them isnt too tricky. Its the same ones with the same names buying andselling on every mir p server.
Perhaps.. but there is always going to be those you cant prove. Then this becomes a case of "The GM's are Biased, Banned me but not so and so"

People say they keep playing because they love the game.
Thats bull. They play because its easy to look good if you throw money about and money can cover up your uselessness until you meet someone who has learned to play.
Most of the big names arent even here. Few of this server would last long against some of the best from the past - most of them have grown up and gone away from keyboard
Not much to comment on here, people who pay are always going to have some advantage.


Another way to reduce Pay2Win is by following the route of many other mmo's by making any new content added to the game account bound, meaning if you wasn't there in the group when the boss/mob dropped x item you cant use it.

Pro's
Makes Gold selling / Item selling more obsolete.
Encourages players to boss hunt new content for gear, rather than wait for it to show up on TM.

Cons
You would not be able to sell that gear, so casual players would suffer.
 

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I dont expect anyone will do anything about it. I was just sayin that where they are outnumbered and spread about they dont matter too much. Here they arent and it makes a difference.
Things could have been done. Quietly. A simple message from a GM saying We do not want gold buying cash item buying etc on this server. Please screenie where u get any of your items. Then they cant say " I thought it was allowed" having Sam post saying he doesnt see why ppl cannot sell items they aquire for irl cash doesnt help. At least he coulda shut up and said nothing rather than encourage them.
Too late now anyway. They are here.
If you werent there you cant have it idea is good
like you say it makes casual playing awful unless the casuals can craft items which arent quite as good as the dropped ones or do quests but thats a lot of work.