Mir2 Priv Server's & the LAW?

[LeoCrasher]

@Farril
100%'o correct if the business willingfully accepts the offer knowing exactly what the CD contains, and the implications of it. Not sure if its their responsibility to inform themselves as to its contents or not. However it was the liability of HeavenSent I was commenting on.

/Leo

 

[~HeavenSent~]

@Farril
100%'o correct if the business willingfully accepts the offer knowing exactly what the CD contains, and the implications of it. Not sure if its their responsibility to inform themselves as to its contents or not. However it was the liability of HeavenSent I was commenting on.

/Leo

@leo

I havent told them i made the game from scratch nor have i told them i have stole the game is it not upto them to check b4 handing out the game?

/HS

 

[LeoCrasher]

Well I'm almost sure if the shop did get threatened... they sure as hell could sue you. I'm sorry though, I just have no idea where the liability of a commerical business lies in regards to distributing the game (which for the versions your talking about... is illegal). A pretty good guess would be that its their responsibility to ensure the game is legal, but that no way at all excuses you.

/Leo

 

[Biohazard]

There is a fine line between legal and illegal. Putting your game in game stores is obviously on the wrong side of the law. What happens when “your” game hits the internet and websites start columns and articles about it? Game-Network will notice, and since they are just a license holder and have no control over the actually international copyright of the game, they alert WEMADE Entertainment. And they will take action because your game is being distributed is mass-quantity, it doesn’t matter if it’s being sold for money or not. WEMADE has the right to sue for copyright laws, of course they won’t unless you are either attracting a extremely LARGE amount of players or your are charging money, hence literally “stealing” money from WEMADE.

The fact is, having the server files on your computer is already a violation of international copyright laws, hosting a server only escalates it. People that say “I’m using an emulator, so they cannot sue.” That is great. It looks exactly the same, and you are using the same sounds, models, that are made by WEMADE. Therefore you are in violation of the law. If you still think you are not in violation, do you think a judge will? I think not.

If you want to make a private server or connect to one, go ahead – I doubt you will be sued, but always remember you are in direct violation of the law so you basically have the choice to do what you wish.

In conclusion if you want to mass-distribute the game then go get a license, I hear they are around $250,000 and WEMADE takes a cut of your earnings.

Good night and good luck.

 

[NickAKAVexus]

There is a fine line between legal and illegal. Putting your game in game stores is obviously on the wrong side of the law. What happens when “your” game hits the internet and websites start columns and articles about it? Game-Network will notice, and since they are just a license holder and have no control over the actually international copyright of the game, they alert WEMADE Entertainment. And they will take action because your game is being distributed is mass-quantity, it doesn’t matter if it’s being sold for money or not. WEMADE has the right to sue for copyright laws, of course they won’t unless you are either attracting a extremely LARGE amount of players or your are charging money, hence literally “stealing” money from WEMADE.

The fact is, having the server files on your computer is already a violation of international copyright laws, hosting a server only escalates it. People that say “I’m using an emulator, so they cannot sue.” That is great. It looks exactly the same, and you are using the same sounds, models, that are made by WEMADE. Therefore you are in violation of the law. If you still think you are not in violation, do you think a judge will? I think not.

If you want to make a private server or connect to one, go ahead – I doubt you will be sued, but always remember you are in direct violation of the law so you basically have the choice to do what you wish.

In conclusion if you want to mass-distribute the game then go get a license, I hear they are around $250,000 and WEMADE takes a cut of your earnings.

Good night and good luck.

Does the 1.9 server files itself use the Sounds and Models? no.

Client is all the visuals, so once again i'll say it, if the player decides to use mir's client to connect to my server then yes that is illegal and they can be punished themselves not the server which IS not owned by wemade.

Example: small emulator i've been working on are you telling me wemade can claim my code?

I'm not just saying 1.9 is safe for the hell of it.. and since when is leo ever wrong? honestly?

If you don't understand the basics of client & server I suggest you read a book or hell use google.

Edit: I wanted to make it clear that I do have the source to the 1.9 emulator and I can tell you its 100% rewritten. They did look at the C++ source thought for basic base.. but I don't think that matters much.

 

[TrueADM]

There is a fine line between legal and illegal. Putting your game in game stores is obviously on the wrong side of the law. What happens when “your” game hits the internet and websites start columns and articles about it? Game-Network will notice, and since they are just a license holder and have no control over the actually international copyright of the game, they alert WEMADE Entertainment. And they will take action because your game is being distributed is mass-quantity, it doesn’t matter if it’s being sold for money or not. WEMADE has the right to sue for copyright laws, of course they won’t unless you are either attracting a extremely LARGE amount of players or your are charging money, hence literally “stealing” money from WEMADE.

The fact is, having the server files on your computer is already a violation of international copyright laws, hosting a server only escalates it. People that say “I’m using an emulator, so they cannot sue.” That is great. It looks exactly the same, and you are using the same sounds, models, that are made by WEMADE. Therefore you are in violation of the law. If you still think you are not in violation, do you think a judge will? I think not.

If you want to make a private server or connect to one, go ahead – I doubt you will be sued, but always remember you are in direct violation of the law so you basically have the choice to do what you wish.

In conclusion if you want to mass-distribute the game then go get a license, I hear they are around $250,000 and WEMADE takes a cut of your earnings.

Good night and good luck.

Copyright laws are very sketchy when it regards digital art, alot of cases in the past have fallen through due to the fact many people can argue that the content was used as a digital refrence, they had no intention to make profit and the use of the content was clearly stated. Of course you'd have to have made the software from scratch again, then you could claim that the content was a community modification.

If this goes to court then the maximum the judge in the UK can do is tell them to remove the content, especially if they claim it was a college project (there was a case similar to this on BBC news last week).

 

[Robert]

Wemade would have a much bigger ball game if it tried to rid china of its private servers by sueing everyone other there. It would be a massive drain on resources and capital and subsequentially wouldnt be worth their while.

What a court would need to take into account is are private servers effecting the EuroMir and MirChinas and MirKoreas economy?

Well evidently we can see this is not the case, MirKorea is still booming and if you emailed them for their figures from the past few years i am sure that you would see this. Euromir has however suffered a drop in subscriptions in recent years, however this cannot be put apon as due to the private server community.

We all know that trends and fads come and go, and if you surveyed the EuroMir community and the KoreanMirs respectively you would be able to see that the EuroMirs community is a lot more juvenile, the user base is built up more of people from 12-20 wheareas KM is more 20-30. (thats not to say it doesnt have a mahuusive teenager and preteen userbase).

So private servers arent impacting the mir community, a vast majority that play them have prior played not liked and left EuroMir. You would hope that a judge would look upon this when he delivers his verdict but its only a small mercy. Whichever way you look at it and whatever impact its still illegal.

A peice of advice i wouldnt of even dared to ask a store about putting your cd in there, in my eyes thats suicide for them, and if they decide to pass it on to wemade then for you aswell, as theres damning evidence in your part of distributing illegally modfified files for an illegally run server.

Youll get a lotof advice when asking about this topic but i think the best thing you can do, and im sure others will agree is...

Dont put the cds in the shop, get any back youve put in the shop and run like hell.

 

[Biohazard]

Copyright laws are very sketchy when it regards digital art, alot of cases in the past have fallen through due to the fact many people can argue that the content was used as a digital refrence, they had no intention to make profit and the use of the content was clearly stated. Of course you'd have to have made the software from scratch again, then you could claim that the content was a community modification.

If this goes to court then the maximum the judge in the UK can do is tell them to remove the content, especially if they claim it was a college project (there was a case similar to this on BBC news last week).

Actually theese kinds of cases are very common in the United States, and I think I've only seen one case win, and that was againest Sony Online Entertainment. A judge will simipy look at screenshot from each game a say they are alike. And of course NO one on here has made the game from scratch, and if they even think they did - they are stupid. People they are still using WEMADE owned sounds, graphics, ect.

And if WEMADE sues someone, a judge won't just say remove the content, the defendent will probably lose and have to either fork over $$$ or do some REAL time for violating copyright laws.

Does the 1.9 server files itself use the Sounds and Models? no.

Were any part of the server files made by WEMADE? Yes.

 

[TrueADM]

Actually theese kinds of cases are very common in the United States, and I think I've only seen one case win, and that was againest Sony Online Entertainment. A judge will simipy look at screenshot from each game a say they are alike. And of course NO one on here has made the game from scratch, and if they even think they did - they are stupid. People they are still using WEMADE owned sounds, graphics, ect.

And if WEMADE sues someone, a judge won't just say remove the content, the defendent will probably lose and have to either fork over $$$ or do some REAL time for violating copyright laws.


Were any part of the server files made by WEMADE? Yes.

No, they wouldn't do time, if there was a court case in the UK, it will be a small civil court where the sentences would be minor - especially if the defending parties are making no benefits from it and are simiply making a community contribution. The maximum that could get is fine for a first time offence.

In order for WeMade to take a small team of people to a civil court based within another country would be equilivant to that of the fine, plus the negative publicity it would create for WeMade would damage the company badly (take the ATi case when the Half Life 2 source code was leaked by an ATi employee, Valve and ATi were both heavily damaged by it and all they could do was sack the employee).

This sort of thing happens ALL the time, just in order to keep it quiet companies use their power to make sure it never reaches the media - meaning it never reaches court.

I went through all this as I'm totally recreating Mir from scratch - MIR Unleashed. I assure you - I'm far from stupid.

 

[NickAKAVexus]

Were any part of the server files made by WEMADE? Yes.

Really which part are you reffering to? Did I just not say that they are 100% rewritten? from the logingate to the m2server to the dbserver? There I said it right ----------------------------------^ here just for you. :dunce:

Now lets put this into view, you have myself, TrueADM, and leocrasher telling you your wrong. All of us are developers. *thumbs up to you*

 

[Biohazard]

Do you want a cookie for devloping stuff for other people? I think not. Wow, rewritten the files, gg man - mad propz to ya!

Now lets step aside from your fantasies and step in reality mkay? The fact is its the same game. Legend of Mir. I don't really think a authority figure would see other wise.

You lose - you get nothing - good day sir.

 

[duckanddive]

Biohazard, rather than be stuck up like your brother, just accept the fact that a recode 100% of your own material means that the license holder of the game cannot claim any legal issues over the actual source code, ONLY real way is if it uses the actual copyright name and graphics, same as with L2J and Lineage, if they that was true, Lineage would shut them down saving them the financial loss of over a few million dollars, so whats your reply to that? "Oh but they dont want to shut them down" shutup for once your giving me a headache.

You loose - you get nothing - good day sir.

 

[Far]

massdebate of the century!

 

[NickAKAVexus]

BioHazard, of course a dim witt person like yourself would see other wise but if it was brought to court to some one whos not stuck up and knows what hes talking about, the authority figure would simply get 'OWNED' because he does not own the code.

Honestly I think you should just stop replying. </3


Oh yes by the way, where did I say I re-wrote the files? I said I had the sources to the 1.9 emulator that everyone currently uses. I do also have a small emulator project but thats not re-writting the file.

 

[Biohazard]

Biohazard, rather than be stuck up like your brother, just accept the fact that a recode 100% of your own material means that the license holder of the game cannot claim any legal issues over the actual source code, ONLY real way is if it uses the actual copyright name and graphics, same as with L2J and Lineage, if they that was true, Lineage would shut them down saving them the financial loss of over a few million dollars, so whats your reply to that? "Oh but they dont want to shut them down" shutup for once your giving me a headache.

You loose - you get nothing - good day sir.

Don't compare me to my brother. And and keep your bias views to yourself. And we are not talking about Lineage2, so your on the wrong forum sherlock.

BioHazard, of course a dim witt person like yourself would see other wise but if it was brought to court to some one whos not stuck up and knows what hes talking about, the authority figure would simply get 'OWNED' because he does not own the code.

Honestly I think you should just stop replying. </3


Oh yes by the way, where did I say I re-wrote the files? I said I had the sources to the 1.9 emulator that everyone currently uses. I do also have a small emulator project but thats not re-writting the file.

1) You spelled my named wrong, dim witt.

2) You keep avoiding what I am saying

3) We are not talking about if someone go to court, because no one will probably will.

4) Heaven simply asked about the laws, the fact is that it IS ilegal, so take your own LOW risks.

5) Go read about international digital copyright laws.

 

[Holy]

Copy right law stats that you can not make profit from something you do not own... (basicly it stats that hehe)

If your given them out for free then you are not commiting a copy right law... but wemade might take it further... i really dont know...

/man like echo

 

[NickAKAVexus]

How did I spell your name wrong? Is your name not Biohazard? Like it matters anyway?

Your replies are just getting tiring. I'm not going to bother when you are obviously a winner. Even if it was explained to you word by word by the person who invented the copyright laws you would still come out with a thick headed reply because your always right, aren't you? :dunce:

 

[AGuyWithAThing]

can't belive this has dragged on 4 pages it's the same bickerin on every page

simple answer:

- wemade pwn mir copyright

- anything u produce with mir that copyright wemade are illegal

- wemade don't give an arse crackery about private servers which have a small community

- lomcn illegal banter which if wemade wanted could result in :cop:

Topic settled me ftw :fwave:

so lets just :rantonoff

 

[TrueADM]

Do you want a cookie for devloping stuff for other people? I think not. Wow, rewritten the files, gg man - mad propz to ya!

Now lets step aside from your fantasies and step in reality mkay? The fact is its the same game. Legend of Mir. I don't really think a authority figure would see other wise.

You lose - you get nothing - good day sir.

I'm writing my own version of Mir, a better version then the current Mir. I have full permission to use WeMade's LOM2 graphics and sound and there's over two-hundred people waiting to play MIR Unleashed, even more once the marketing campaign begins when the project reaches beta stages.

The main reason myself and DeathWish are doing it, is because we want to give something to the community (using our free time) - whilst I'm personally doing it to develop my skills. So think what you like.

 

[Knightmare]

TrueADM isnt the only way u have full permission to use Wemade graphics, sounds , names is by contacting them.

No offenece but if they did clam your code as thier own is there any way a small court would believe you against an big international company.

Also couldn't they take you to their country and sue you there if they wanted to??