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Megon

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Well I wanted to vent out how I see the server as like well first of all after fixing the lag issues since day 1 I can admit the server is coded amazingly back ended lag free everything is smooth and am already excited for the new bosses AIs and new items skins in the screenies but that's only what is good what is not is how the server is ridiculous in terms of gg and gold I am a kind of players who donates but only few quids every week but when I look at the gold that is mad like should I really either pay 15-20m to reroll an item while it only costs 10 gg? That is completely unfair as well as the exppots I am not against that the highest pot would be a gg only but why not a 150%-130% pots for gold and gg I am pretty sure whoever donates for 200% will remain doing that I simply believe gg is so much empowered against gold and that should be balanced you guys want income and no one should blame you for that the server is amazingly done but the game should be balanced not to a pure p2w almost. Also regardless of the gg comparison to gold value most of the balance issues the server team always answers with that 85 will fix all that and everything will proper so I don't get the idea why not just ease the server progress to 85 so we all hit the perfect balance instead of everyone unhappy with their class and whenever someone mention that it is always stated 85 is perfectly balanced and we should just wait and in return you can slow the progress after 85 maybe make paragons a bit harder or so that does not heavily impact the server progress and don't hit me with the "there are players who already grinded hard to 85 we can't do that to them" because simply the server is having about 300-400 UC and this is a none stall/fishing/mining server and only like 15-20 of those are around 85. I know this server team are always a good listeners I really hope things are done towards them matters as am certain its not only my pov as I asked many different players before posting.
 

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Well I wanted to vent out how I see the server as like well first of all after fixing the lag issues since day 1 I can admit the server is coded amazingly back ended lag free everything is smooth and am already excited for the new bosses AIs and new items skins in the screenies but that's only what is good what is not is how the server is ridiculous in terms of gg and gold I am a kind of players who donates but only few quids every week but when I look at the gold that is mad like should I really either pay 15-20m to reroll an item while it only costs 10 gg? That is completely unfair as well as the exppots I am not against that the highest pot would be a gg only but why not a 150%-130% pots for gold and gg I am pretty sure whoever donates for 200% will remain doing that I simply believe gg is so much empowered against gold and that should be balanced you guys want income and no one should blame you for that the server is amazingly done but the game should be balanced not to a pure p2w almost. Also regardless of the gg comparison to gold value most of the balance issues the server team always answers with that 85 will fix all that and everything will proper so I don't get the idea why not just ease the server progress to 85 so we all hit the perfect balance instead of everyone unhappy with their class and whenever someone mention that it is always stated 85 is perfectly balanced and we should just wait and in return you can slow the progress after 85 maybe make paragons a bit harder or so that does not heavily impact the server progress and don't hit me with the "there are players who already grinded hard to 85 we can't do that to them" because simply the server is having about 300-400 UC and this is a none stall/fishing/mining server and only like 15-20 of those are around 85. I know this server team are always a good listeners I really hope things are done towards them matters as am certain its not only my pov as I asked many different players before posting.

Hi, thank you for the review.

The GG issue has been spoken about on several occasions. Gold is the driving forge of the economy, and whilst you think the 2x potion is very expensive, its on the trust merchant for 11mill........ As you will see in the section about gold below, This is TINY! therefore the value of these is extremely low. Meaning it cannot be classed as a Premium item.

We had already put an edit in GG for rerolling items as we also agree this is definitely wrong at the moment. (which is ready for next patch)

In terms of gold, i think you completely misunderstand how much gold people have at the moment. There are a considerable amount of players around the 1-200mill mark who are also not the biggest levelers in some cases. This is without any of the major bosses on rotation yet, which are the biggest gold droppers. Gold is something that will VERY quickly climb. As it has over the past two days.

Economy is going to be the driving force of most games. If the game is doing well Gold has to hold its value. Whilst the game is still in its VERY early stages, this has not settled at all yet. In 2-3 days. It will drastically increase again.

Balance issues. i cannot budge on. I know many players have opinions about damage/spells etc, but i think alot of players do not realise how spells/damage etc are input into the game. I feel players think we just go into the code and press buttons to put caps on things. Unfortunately this is not how it works. If i play around with spell damage at the lower end it will have a huge impact on the upper end. This is something that i will not be doing as it will cause in-balance at the most important part. I do agree its frustrating, but this is part and parcel of mir. The grind is part of the experiment but fundamentally players will care more about their classes end game than they will whilst leveling (providing players can level PVE level comfortably, which they can from what ive been told).

I am trying to be as fair as i can, but at the same time, every decision i make is based on the fact i have tested this game beyond 85 more than players have had a chance to see, (which im sure you can understand, and therefore have to take my own advice over opinions that are being drawn from previous servers experiences).

We will continue to take feedback as much as possible, and appreciate people will disagree, but at the end of it all, we all want the same thing. For the game to feel fair. If prices for Premium leveling pots are as low as 11million i think access is far more possible than players are making out. Subs are droping gold bars and mobs are dropping decent items rarely, which means everyone has a chance of getting gold.

I hope you can appreciate a lot of the points i have raised here. If anything changes and we feel their are real leveling problems or balance issues. This can and will be changed. We just want to be sure, and not rush into bad decisions that could ultimately effect the game for the worse.
 
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MonoxideLenny

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Well I wanted to vent out how I see the server as like well first of all after fixing the lag issues since day 1 I can admit the server is coded amazingly back ended lag free everything is smooth and am already excited for the new bosses AIs and new items skins in the screenies but that's only what is good what is not is how the server is ridiculous in terms of gg and gold I am a kind of players who donates but only few quids every week but when I look at the gold that is mad like should I really either pay 15-20m to reroll an item while it only costs 10 gg? That is completely unfair as well as the exppots I am not against that the highest pot would be a gg only but why not a 150%-130% pots for gold and gg I am pretty sure whoever donates for 200% will remain doing that I simply believe gg is so much empowered against gold and that should be balanced you guys want income and no one should blame you for that the server is amazingly done but the game should be balanced not to a pure p2w almost. Also regardless of the gg comparison to gold value most of the balance issues the server team always answers with that 85 will fix all that and everything will proper so I don't get the idea why not just ease the server progress to 85 so we all hit the perfect balance instead of everyone unhappy with their class and whenever someone mention that it is always stated 85 is perfectly balanced and we should just wait and in return you can slow the progress after 85 maybe make paragons a bit harder or so that does not heavily impact the server progress and don't hit me with the "there are players who already grinded hard to 85 we can't do that to them" because simply the server is having about 300-400 UC and this is a none stall/fishing/mining server and only like 15-20 of those are around 85. I know this server team are always a good listeners I really hope things are done towards them matters as am certain its not only my pov as I asked many different players before posting

Well I wanted to vent out how I see the server as like well first of all after fixing the lag issues since day 1 I can admit the server is coded amazingly back ended lag free everything is smooth and am already excited for the new bosses AIs and new items skins in the screenies but that's only what is good what is not is how the server is ridiculous in terms of gg and gold I am a kind of players who donates but only few quids every week but when I look at the gold that is mad like should I really either pay 15-20m to reroll an item while it only costs 10 gg? That is completely unfair as well as the exppots I am not against that the highest pot would be a gg only but why not a 150%-130% pots for gold and gg I am pretty sure whoever donates for 200% will remain doing that I simply believe gg is so much empowered against gold and that should be balanced you guys want income and no one should blame you for that the server is amazingly done but the game should be balanced not to a pure p2w almost. Also regardless of the gg comparison to gold value most of the balance issues the server team always answers with that 85 will fix all that and everything will proper so I don't get the idea why not just ease the server progress to 85 so we all hit the perfect balance instead of everyone unhappy with their class and whenever someone mention that it is always stated 85 is perfectly balanced and we should just wait and in return you can slow the progress after 85 maybe make paragons a bit harder or so that does not heavily impact the server progress and don't hit me with the "there are players who already grinded hard to 85 we can't do that to them" because simply the server is having about 300-400 UC and this is a none stall/fishing/mining server and only like 15-20 of those are around 85. I know this server team are always a good listeners I really hope things are done towards them matters as am certain its not only my pov as I asked many different players before posting.
Paragraphs sir paragraphs, I tried to read this and my brain pulled me up on abuse charges
 

Megon

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Hi, thank you for the review.

The GG issue has been spoken about on several occasions. Gold is the driving forge of the economy, and whilst you think the 2x potion is very expensive, its on the trust merchant for 11mill........ As you will see in the section about gold below, This is TINY! therefore the value of these is extremely low. Meaning it cannot be classed as a Premium item.

We had already put an edit in GG for rerolling items as we also agree this is definitely wrong at the moment. (which is ready for next patch)

In terms of gold, i think you completely misunderstand how much gold people have at the moment. There are a considerable amount of players around the 1-200mill mark who are also not the biggest levelers in some cases. This is without any of the major bosses on rotation yet, which are the biggest gold droppers. Gold is something that will VERY quickly climb. As it has over the past two days.

Economy is going to be the driving force of most games. If the game is doing well Gold has to hold its value. Whilst the game is still in its VERY early stages, this has not settled at all yet. In 2-3 days. It will drastically increase again.

Balance issues. i cannot budge on. I know many players have opinions about damage/spells etc, but i think alot of players do not realise how spells/damage etc are input into the game. I feel players think we just go into the code and press buttons to put caps on things. Unfortunately this is not how it works. If i play around with spell damage at the lower end it will have a huge impact on the upper end. This is something that i will not be doing as it will cause in-balance at the most important part. I do agree its frustrating, but this is part and parcel of mir. The grind is part of the experiment but fundamentally players will care more about their classes end game than they will whilst leveling (providing players can level PVE level comfortably, which they can from what ive been told).

I am trying to be as fair as i can, but at the same time, every decision i make is based on the fact i have tested this game beyond 85 more than players have had a chance to see, (which im sure you can understand, and therefore have to take my own advice over opinions that are being drawn from previous servers experiences).

We will continue to take feedback as much as possible, and appreciate people will disagree, but at the end of it all, we all want the same thing. For the game to feel fair. If prices for Premium leveling pots are as low as 11million i think access is far more possible than players are making out. Subs are droping gold bars and mobs are dropping decent items rarely, which means everyone has a chance of getting gold.

I hope you can appreciate a lot of the points i have raised here. If anything changes and we feel their are real leveling problems or balance issues. This can and will be changed. We just want to be sure, and not rush into bad decisions that could ultimately effect the game for the worse.
Well am glad its been looked into as most of the parts yet still I would still think its better to ease the server progress to 85 saves many people experience with the server and also saves you from handling everyone unhappy with any unbalance situation and asking them to wait till 85. And in return you can slow any after progress to the server instead of having to wait around 2 weeks since launch for most players to be 85 around.

Neways good luck with sorting it out and thank you for the proper reply.
 

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Well am glad its been looked into as most of the parts yet still I would still think its better to ease the server progress to 85 saves many people experience with the server and also saves you from handling everyone unhappy with any unbalance situation and asking them to wait till 85. And in return you can slow any after progress to the server instead of having to wait around 2 weeks since launch for most players to be 85 around.

Neways good luck with sorting it out and thank you for the proper reply.

To be fair if 85 is the core game, people are already there and the game launched less than a week ago, I am a super casual and at 61 without trying and no exp pots.

You can't expect to get to the levels others are at if you dont put the time they put in; just enjoy the game at your own pace.
 

Bubel

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for me apoc v2 is copy of stuff from old school server .items with 3 or random slotts , shards. Its just mine opinion pets mounts for gg , i try not use real money for servers that might die. Playing without pet is so slow. but i like few stuff from server like awekening stuff etc .
 

Vaynes

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This server was the biggest joke in this community in a long time. Straight up money grab no questions about it. Happy to see people got their hard earned money back through refunding, because Apoc owners did not deserve it. Put in effort for around two months, then let the thing die. It was a broken P2W system, i.e making gold extremely hard to farm then making GG rerolls fairly cheap if you take time to earn into consideration. As far as I'm concerned Dan, Kane etc should all be banned from advertising on LOMCN. Absolutely immoral and pathetic excuse of a server.
 
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This server was the biggest joke in this community in a long time. Straight up money grab no questions about it. Happy to see people got their hard earned money back through refunding, because Apoc owners did not deserve it. Put in effort for around two months, then let the thing die. It was a broken P2W system, i.e making gold extremely hard to farm then making GG rerolls fairly cheap if you take time to earn into consideration. As far as I'm concerned Dan, Kane etc should all be banned from advertising on LOMCN. Absolutely immoral and pathetic excuse of a server.

I think nowadays you can get a feel for how a server will play out after a few weeks, or even just from the history of the GM's/Devs Involved with it, the last few I have had a bad feeling about straight away I gave up and was right, thankfully.

We all want a decent Mir server, but there's no point putting time and money into something that's not going to last more than 6 months, especially when you have work/life to balance as well.
 
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Vaynes

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I think nowadays you can get a feel for how a server will play out after a few weeks, or even just from the history of the GM's/Devs Involved with it, the last few I have had a bad feeling about straight away I gave up and was right, thankfully.

We all want a decent Mir server, but there's no point putting time and money into something that's not going to last more than 6 months, especially when you have work/life to balance as well.

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, any server lasting more than 3months is a stretch and I don't even blame that all on the GM's. New servers constantly come out etc, but Apoc v2 was just sad. They created it as a pump and dump and got exactly what they deserved when everyone and their grandmothers refunded their donations.