Play to win servers instead of Pay to win.

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Oh we have a negative flag for it.
Thought it must be LOMCN policy as otherwise it would suggest it is in fact a reaction to criticism.

The thing with Mir is that it's more MMO than RPG. Not really a game that can be fully enjoyed alone, so you have to accept the bullshit and ridiculous vocal side of the community.

Perhaps the server creation side is more enjoyable than the live server running side though.

What are you talking about crackhead mampi
 
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No matter how small or big a game, you always get torrents of crap from players.

Whether it's from their passion for the game, frustrations, venting, disagreement or what have you.
I can't remember a gaming community (in the last few years) that isn't known for its toxcitiy.

The problem is developers can never do right by everyone, so the people who feel wronged speak out, the people who don't just play the game.



Server creation side is always more enjoyable then running it, but they come hand in hand if you want people to experience the game you are working on.
I don't mind the post live side, just wish adults could convey feedback and criticism with some sense and non-bias :D
 
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What are you talking about crackhead mampi

Not something you have power to deal with so don't want to waste my time. It's not an LOMCN policy thing, just a tubby, thieving Smir thing.
 

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Oh we have a negative flag for it.
Thought it must be LOMCN policy as otherwise it would suggest it is in fact a reaction to criticism.

The thing with Mir is that it's more MMO than RPG. Not really a game that can be fully enjoyed alone, so you have to accept the bullshit and ridiculous vocal side of the community.

Perhaps the server creation side is more enjoyable than the live server running side though.
MMORPG is what Mir was classified as back in the day.

Unless terms have changed?
 

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MMORPG is what Mir was classified as back in the day.

Unless terms have changed?
Yeah it's an MMORPG by definition. But there isn't much 'role playing game' to it is what I mean.
Not really a story where you feel immersed playing a character or much at all that I would classically think of as an RPG.
 

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Yeah it's an MMORPG by definition. But there isn't much 'role playing game' to it is what I mean.
Not really a story where you feel immersed playing a character or much at all that I would classically think of as an RPG.
It's definitely more MMO as when people play Mir, it will just be what they make it.

For many of them in the days, it was all about the chat and socialising.
 

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you said it IS play to win then counter with its just.. so a little confused if you feel that im charging people to play a beta which ive been accused of which is pretty commical from people who hide behind fake accounts but such is life.

i had 3 ways of doing my server, 1 was pay to play with no way of buying of gamegold. the other was to make it all free but allow people to buy gamegold and the final option was to just give up because im sick of the toxic pricks in the community and keep it a closed door project for myself to play.

the whole reason i make servers is because there arnt servers out there that i want to play its really that simple. why cant i do it all for free? because i simply cannot afford the server costs monthly, which some people have no problem with and have great financial stablity, i dont live in that world, i live hand to mouth, have done all my life.

now i could take option number 2 and make a lot more money as people throw cash into servers to buy gamegold and eat out the gameshop, i know this because of how the last server did.

i didnt like that option because its just not fair, in terms of the casual player.

so this time i decided to make it a pay to play server, you donate monthly to my patreon and ill give you access, there will be 3 tiers people can choose from, basic, intemmidiate and full. there is no way to buy gamegold, it has to be earned in game through hunting and questing/events/drops.

the tiers provide a monthly limit of 0, 1000 or 1500 hunt tokens (game gold) but thats it, once its gone its gone. the full supporters tier will provide a 5% exp buff.

i have over the last 2-3 months been thinking about the tiers of donation and i have scrapped them and remade them time and time again.

im not financially driven but the server has to cover its own costs or the servers gone, its that simple.

people have offered me free hosting but as much as i am very thankful to all of them, i dont trust anyone. we dont know each other. im just some guy sat infornt of a kb typing this that no one actually knows or lets be honest gives a **** about, the only time we ever come together as a community is when one of us end up in a wardrobe taking thier own life because they felt that had no way out of whatever it is they are going through, which is so tragic when you stop typing and actually think about that for a minute.

thats how this place is, if i didnt love the game i would have been gone a long time ago, i hate the toxic community of mir, i hate the players that feel its okay to berate, steal, hurt and down righ treat other people like ****.

TL : DR
server will be pay to play (i really dont care about people saying its a free game, hasnet been free for me to make what i have), might have 3 tiers of choices with increasing bonuses, might not, havent decided on the final cost.
I like how you're doing it, I just don't play many games at all tbh, which is a shame, because I still upgrade my PC which is basically a glorified youtube machine, I only played OldSkool for so long because it played itself>.<, I'm the same with all games, I don't see a game and think oo it's expensive, I think would I actually play it more than once? so many mates get games to play once then we never play them again it's unreal, I miss the old days when demos were more common, end up having to watch twitch to see if it's a game I'll actually enjoy it.

Think the last game I purchased might have been new world, and one day I just stopped playing, I played it a fair bit tbh, me and my mates do love a MMO, BDO for example, but there's just too much to do on it, and if you don't do something, it feels like you're missing out.
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Bruh if you wanna play we'll fund you :LOL:

Fill out an expense form and mail it to [email protected]
I'm okay :P
 

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tell me about it, little hidden caves in LCD etc,
The worst part is that I'd been at the end of LDC loads of times but never bothered trying the door as no server had ever used it before.

Couldn't believe it when someone told me lmao
 

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The worst part is that I'd been at the end of LDC loads of times but never bothered trying the door as no server had ever used it before.

Couldn't believe it when someone told me lmao
Expect more of the same next time! V2 will be set in a whole new world, but will include some old favourite cave systems ofcourse.
 

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Expect more of the same next time! V2 will be set in a whole new world, but will include some old favourite cave systems ofcourse.
One thing I'd suggest would be to look into the exp per mob side slightly more when it comes to hidden caves etc.

It was great going around finding them but at times when you compared the exp in those places compared to places you could simply get to in the tele stone it didn't make sense to go to them.

I think the frozen temple place was an example of this, hollow was always pretty good though.
 
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is calling an arab an arab rascist?...

im not into all this snowflake bullshit genderidentity, pussy footing to avoid offending people...

Steve Hughes -
Havnt read from here onwards but this guy in ur vid made me laugh 🤣
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People can milk sever after server and "get away with it" as there's "never enough servers" coming up. Fact is, if you dont realise how much time and effort has been put into this server then frankly why are you even reading this? As clearly you don't understand the care and dedication @Sanjian has for what he does

He's worked on these fies literally for years. The "trust issues" he may have with others by way of sharing the files can only conclude that he actually gives a flying f about the integrity of them.

Given the fact its in beta(? (idk, been away from forums for a while)) but patrons have access is a "money grab" is simply laughable when u compare the hours and effort that's gone into this server vs the dribble that's been put out there over the same time span.

Sanjian is a pillar of the lomcn community. Hes working on his files which many have said from the videos he's put out there, looks amazing. Releasing new, well needed life into mir. But along side this he helps pretty much everyone (myself included!) even people he doesn't necessarily like that asks for it. In my opinion he does this not to be a nice guy, but because of the love he has for the game and it's future (something I believe is very much overlooked)

Deny him the few ££ he'll gain from his patron access (if that's what it must be labeled as) and Ull potentially lose a great coder, an exelent member of this forum and a server that many are looking forward to playing
 
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Most of these players are Playing for Profit they invest time effort and cash at start of server then sell up characters items and move on to next sertver or another game. Once they have gone the server becomes much more fun much less greed focussed but looks as if decaying cos numbers down. Once they have gone its time for player who like thegame not cash grabbers to join. Server owner should do ads and exp boosts for new players then
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Likely something to do with Oilers running the server and "whale out like he has and you'll be the same" mentality that's going on there. 🛢️🛢️🛢️💰💰💰
shurikan dropped a belt. so its the worst most corrupt most unbalanced server ever.
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funny how its same people criticising and bad mouthing a server/serverowner or dev every time. old grudges? Evidence?
 
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Most of these players are Playing for Profit they invest time effort and cash at start of server then sell up characters items and move on to next sertver or another game. Once they have gone the server becomes much more fun much less greed focussed but looks as if decaying cos numbers down. Once they have gone its time for player who like thegame not cash grabbers to join. Server owner should do ads and exp boosts for new players then
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shurikan dropped a belt. so its the worst most corrupt most unbalanced server ever.
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funny how its same people criticising and bad mouthing a server/serverowner or dev every time. old grudges? Evidence?
Most mir players are in there 30s and upwards. It's not grudges which lead to bad mouthing others, and servers and gms. It's watching the same people cash in on the mir community every year which leads to it.
 

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It's still fun to play don't get me wrong when the usual people are in town or at a boss fighting, but as soon as one whale turns up everybody has to go into safezone or TT because of how crazy people can go with kit/runes/paragons etc.

It must be pretty boring for them as well because even if there's a group of 5-6 really good players they still can't compete against one of them due to the damage and damage reduction difference being so huge.

The main reason I have been put off recently is by the items having to be first found or brought from someone, then rolled to 3 slot (if you are really hardcore then 3 slot with additional stats)

Then buying/finding the XL or Holy shards, afterwards comes the quality orbing, and finally you get the enhancement stage (up to 15)

After doing all this there's a new set that comes out which then the cycle starts again and trying to get gold back from the item you made is poor as nobody wants to give anything for them.
 

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Most mir players are in there 30s and upwards. It's not grudges which lead to bad mouthing others, and servers and gms. It's watching the same people cash in on the mir community every year which leads to it.
Anyone who played Mir back when it was out is going to be 30s onwards.

All the complaining and negative vibes never ended when it ended.